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The boss of UK supplier De La Rue told the BBC that Franco-Dutch firm Gemalto had won the £490m contract.
Culture Secretary Matthew Hancock said a final decision had not been made.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43489462
Right, that's me never leaving our shores again
Culture Secretary Matthew Hancock said a final decision had not been made.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43489462
Right, that's me never leaving our shores again
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BINO -- Brexit in name only. The EU will still make all the rules, and we will have to take them.
Restrict freedom of movement, I hear you say, but of course. Though as the government points out, we will need to attract even more immigrants for the NHS, agriculture, and the rest of the economy right down to sandwich bars.
Ask the trawlermen how long their "red lines" lasted. 24 hours, I think, or was it 48?
The only difference is now we'll have to pay £500 million to the French and the Dutch for our new blue passports.
Restrict freedom of movement, I hear you say, but of course. Though as the government points out, we will need to attract even more immigrants for the NHS, agriculture, and the rest of the economy right down to sandwich bars.
Ask the trawlermen how long their "red lines" lasted. 24 hours, I think, or was it 48?
The only difference is now we'll have to pay £500 million to the French and the Dutch for our new blue passports.
stop freedom of movement, this would mean less people, millions less over time
This would take pressure off the NHS meaning we need less staff, not more
It we do need staff from outside the UK , that's ok they can be recruited as professionals for the NHS, without allowing millions in putting pressure on the NHS
This would take pressure off the NHS meaning we need less staff, not more
It we do need staff from outside the UK , that's ok they can be recruited as professionals for the NHS, without allowing millions in putting pressure on the NHS
so these are just some of the benefits of brexit, what are the benefits of remain again?
You don't get it. The choices are not Brexit vs Remain. We are heading for semi-detached remain, or BINO: neither one thing nor the other; a slightly inferior version of the deal David Cameron was trying to negotiate.
out of the single market, good, out of the customs union, good, stop freedom of movement, good
call it semi detached if you wish
call it semi detached if you wish
Surely China could do them cheaper. Costs the best part of 100 quid to renew already. Well, the legit ones anyway
out of the single market, good, out of the customs union, good, stop freedom of movement, good
call it semi detached if you wish
That's the point, those things are not going to happen. Not in any real sense. We'll end freedom of movement but not immigration. BINO. We'll be out of the single market but paying for a raft of agreements for access to the single market. It will be just like old times.
call it semi detached if you wish
That's the point, those things are not going to happen. Not in any real sense. We'll end freedom of movement but not immigration. BINO. We'll be out of the single market but paying for a raft of agreements for access to the single market. It will be just like old times.
ramruma something remainers don't seem to be able to grasp. Free movement of people is bad, can only ever be bad for a country, nothing else
However immigration can be good, in certain circumstances, if handled properly
Its up to us to do that
However immigration can be good, in certain circumstances, if handled properly
Its up to us to do that
If we are out of the single market and paying for access?
that's ok also if it is to our benefit, and any profit we make will be for ourselves, not 27 other countries ,
Good
that's ok also if it is to our benefit, and any profit we make will be for ourselves, not 27 other countries ,
Good
lfc1971 -- despite the spin about "taking back control" we are not. That's the point.
The process was a"blind tender" so ministers did not know who submitted each bid. De La Rue obviously shoved in a high bid thinking they would keep the contract The French tendered £50 million less
lfc1971 22 Mar 18 10:37
stop freedom of movement, this would mean less people, millions less over time
This would take pressure off the NHS meaning we need less staff, not more
It we do need staff from outside the UK , that's ok they can be recruited as professionals for the NHS, without allowing millions in putting pressure on the NHS
Who could argue with that?
stop freedom of movement, this would mean less people, millions less over time
This would take pressure off the NHS meaning we need less staff, not more
It we do need staff from outside the UK , that's ok they can be recruited as professionals for the NHS, without allowing millions in putting pressure on the NHS
Who could argue with that?
The only reason the French got the contract was because the EU rules dictated that, whilst still in the EU, we had to put this contract out to tender to suitable EU firms.
UK Government rules then stated the best i.e. cheapest quote had to be accepted... as is right.
This episode shows the stupidity of allowing unelected foreign organisations dictate to the democratically elected UK government.
The sooner this transition period is over, the sooner we can get back to being Great Britain again.
Our rules, our destiny, our future.
UK Government rules then stated the best i.e. cheapest quote had to be accepted... as is right.
This episode shows the stupidity of allowing unelected foreign organisations dictate to the democratically elected UK government.
The sooner this transition period is over, the sooner we can get back to being Great Britain again.
Our rules, our destiny, our future.
Sent my MP (Tim Loughton) an email this morning regarding this issue. Think the government has quoted a saving of one hundred million pounds. Loose change ! As I pointed out I'd rather pay ten or twenty quid more for a British made British passport. Face it if you can afford to go abroad, you can afford a couple of extra quid for a passport.
When we finally leave we will be taking back control.
Whilst in transtion we still have to acquiesce to foreign rule.
That's the point.
Whilst in transtion we still have to acquiesce to foreign rule.
That's the point.
I don't understand why living in a free, sovereign democracy worries and/or scares so many remainers.
Whats the problem? This is why we are leaving Europe, to have the choice to get the best deal from wherever in the world we want.
https://www.westmonster.com/bannatyne-uk-passports-being-made-in-france-is-madness/
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Too right mate!
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Too right mate!
https://www.westmonster.com/post-brexit-brit-passports-to-be-made-in-france/
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stop freedom of movement, this would mean less people, millions less over time
This would take pressure off the NHS meaning we need less staff, not more
It we do need staff from outside the UK , that's ok they can be recruited as professionals for the NHS, without allowing millions in putting pressure on the NHS
Who could argue with that?
Pretty much anyone that has spent any time in an nhs hospital over the last 5years! I've been in the NHS system since 2001 and the one constant in all that time is that the overwhelming demography of the users is old white people. There are now more old white people than ever before and the NHS has never had such low levels of funding (6.6% gdp) than ever before, health funding is different and that is where a lot of inefficiencies lie. I've used 4 different type of hospitals in different size towns/cities in the south regularly esp in the last 5 years and all of them are packed with old white people. I know most of you have loads of time on your hands so why not play hospital bingo one day and go and sit in the out-patients of any hospital and do fyour own survey - it won't take long to come to the obvious conclusion!
Immigrants are overwhelmingly of a (young) working age and generally healthier than the non migrant pop (this is very well known and there are plenty of links to find - you lot might find this http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/06/07/foreign-born-immigrants-healthier-l... interesting even though it is a bit old but this http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/80468/Eurohealth13_1.pdf (Migration and Health) gives a detailed picture - i doubt anyone will bother reading it though!
Who'dathunk that brexit would go like this eh saddo - well me obviously as when you asked me (pre ref) i gave a detailed reason and timetable of how things would go should we leave and so far lets just sa that I've got everything pretty much bang on, including the fishy problem. I'm sure you won't remember though........
This would take pressure off the NHS meaning we need less staff, not more
It we do need staff from outside the UK , that's ok they can be recruited as professionals for the NHS, without allowing millions in putting pressure on the NHS
Who could argue with that?
Pretty much anyone that has spent any time in an nhs hospital over the last 5years! I've been in the NHS system since 2001 and the one constant in all that time is that the overwhelming demography of the users is old white people. There are now more old white people than ever before and the NHS has never had such low levels of funding (6.6% gdp) than ever before, health funding is different and that is where a lot of inefficiencies lie. I've used 4 different type of hospitals in different size towns/cities in the south regularly esp in the last 5 years and all of them are packed with old white people. I know most of you have loads of time on your hands so why not play hospital bingo one day and go and sit in the out-patients of any hospital and do fyour own survey - it won't take long to come to the obvious conclusion!
Immigrants are overwhelmingly of a (young) working age and generally healthier than the non migrant pop (this is very well known and there are plenty of links to find - you lot might find this http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/06/07/foreign-born-immigrants-healthier-l... interesting even though it is a bit old but this http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/80468/Eurohealth13_1.pdf (Migration and Health) gives a detailed picture - i doubt anyone will bother reading it though!
Who'dathunk that brexit would go like this eh saddo - well me obviously as when you asked me (pre ref) i gave a detailed reason and timetable of how things would go should we leave and so far lets just sa that I've got everything pretty much bang on, including the fishy problem. I'm sure you won't remember though........
Go and visit a maternity ward and report back with your findings.
50 million passports its only a quid a pop to keep british workers in jobs
do we think de la rue will get many contracts from the eu post brexit?
do we think de la rue will get many contracts from the eu post brexit?
2012 Olympics. London. Shocked to go in the 'mega store' at all the merchandise. It was all made in China!!
Total no story, the current contract was running out so it went up for tender and the best bid won.
What is worrying is that something as important as passports are not government run.
What is worrying is that something as important as passports are not government run.
dunno why that would shock you injera, most british souvenir tat is made in china
Naive and utopian of me to assume our Olympics might award contracts to local businesses.
So just because they were always made in the UK they must continue to be made here? Who really gives two hoots. Should I swap my Merc for some Vauxhall piece of sh1te solely because they’re also made here? Utter nonsense. This is a great deal for the UK saving £50m plus. Get over it.
its not saving £50 million.....
its taking £500 million out of north east economy, and putting it into france
workers unemployed, not spending cash, with all the knock on effects
why not put government up for tender and get a load of cheap romanian mps to take
back control of our country?
its taking £500 million out of north east economy, and putting it into france
workers unemployed, not spending cash, with all the knock on effects
why not put government up for tender and get a load of cheap romanian mps to take
back control of our country?
poor Spyker, the NHS really have got him towing the correct line, and he doesn't seem to realise that its not just old white people who become old
Spyker nobody sensible believes that Ponzi scheme nonsense now
Of course it suits those working in the NHS, the more customers the better, keeps everyone in a job.
Now post brexit if we need more health workers we will still be able to recruit, without needing free movement of people
And if we need less , well that might mean we need less people employed in the NHS, I think its 1.4 million now.
Spyker nobody sensible believes that Ponzi scheme nonsense now
Of course it suits those working in the NHS, the more customers the better, keeps everyone in a job.
Now post brexit if we need more health workers we will still be able to recruit, without needing free movement of people
And if we need less , well that might mean we need less people employed in the NHS, I think its 1.4 million now.
Well said donny. Mustang has ponced around the Capital for too long, he's used to saving a few bob on cheap foreign labour.
That's true, Donny. Much of that £500 million would come back to the treasury in direct taxation, NI and Vat if spent in the North East as well as underpinning employment in the region. False economy to save 10% on the contract and give it to France.
taking £500 million out of north east economy, and putting it into france
Governments revenge towards the northeast for voting for brexit in the first place
Governments revenge towards the northeast for voting for brexit in the first place
It would be better if they were produced cheaply in the UK, putting money back into the pockets of the 50 million passport holders, no need to make a profit producing them
The cost of buying a passport is just another tax lfc. I doubt very much that it bears any relationship to the cost of issuing them.
A french lorry "crash" with millions of uk passports dispersing on the fields of Calis would go down nicely with the refuges there
yes foinavon your probably right, probably costs a lot less to produce
Does anyone here know if this is going to be a tariff free deal?
maybe this is one of these predetermined carrots for the EU, so we can obtained a FTA deal with europe
maybe this is one of these predetermined carrots for the EU, so we can obtained a FTA deal with europe
Hilarious. I assume that those that object to this on the grounds of harming the British economy only buy British goods that are manufactured in this country. If they didn't they'd sound awfully hypocritical.
^That doesn't make sense, I would prefer not to have to pay for a passport at all, especially if the money is going to someone in France
I don't even care what colour it is
I don't even care what colour it is
Baron might be a remainer, they are not capable of logical thought
now a nice new Japanese motorbike, well that's a different thing
you cant beat Japanese technology
you cant beat Japanese technology
But I am not fussed about buying a British passport, from Japan
James O'Brien on LBC, arguing that most of DeDe La Rue's business is done abroad, suggesting that if everybody followed the patriotic line De La Rue would go bust.
Shot down straight away by a caller telling him that most of their customers haven't got the expertise to produce their own stuff.
And what kind of message does it send out to Del La Rue's customers that its own country doesn't use them to make their passports?
As is the case with most left-wingers, the patriotism of James O'Brien is at question here.
This is a case of what's best for Britain, but that argument to him seems totally irrelevant.
If stuff is put out to tender, where's the rule that says you must accept the cheapest quote?
Shot down straight away by a caller telling him that most of their customers haven't got the expertise to produce their own stuff.
And what kind of message does it send out to Del La Rue's customers that its own country doesn't use them to make their passports?
As is the case with most left-wingers, the patriotism of James O'Brien is at question here.
This is a case of what's best for Britain, but that argument to him seems totally irrelevant.
If stuff is put out to tender, where's the rule that says you must accept the cheapest quote?
if de la rue did not exist then fair tendering might be an option
but it does exist, is a decent company and employs british workers
if de la rue went and printed their jobs overseas they could do it cheaper but would
cost jobs in uk
if de la rue lose enough jobs they will go bust and like so much british industry will
be gone, forever
looking at brexit britain, the likes of de la rue are vital to uk economy
still time for government to smell the coffee
but it does exist, is a decent company and employs british workers
if de la rue went and printed their jobs overseas they could do it cheaper but would
cost jobs in uk
if de la rue lose enough jobs they will go bust and like so much british industry will
be gone, forever
looking at brexit britain, the likes of de la rue are vital to uk economy
still time for government to smell the coffee
Remainers such as the Baron are going to have to get something straight
those who voted for brexit did so because they thought it would be better for themselves, the same as those who voted remain.they are not under any obligation to give two hoots about the country
That means they will continue to buy Japanese motorbikes if they so wish, as will the remainers, don't presume anything else
those who voted for brexit did so because they thought it would be better for themselves, the same as those who voted remain.they are not under any obligation to give two hoots about the country
That means they will continue to buy Japanese motorbikes if they so wish, as will the remainers, don't presume anything else
This is the sort of thing that remoaners would use as a strawman, e.g.
"Oh the brexiteers will all be so annoyed as they voted leave to get passports made in clacton, bet they feel stupid", like they did with the blue passport rubbish.
But this is a stupid decision, diplomatically, politically.
And financially it may be bad. If the price was half the uk figure it would probably make sense, but if it's a smaller fraction there is a break even point where money that is leaving the uk that would otherwise have remained and been recirculated in the UK means a bad deal for the UK. And this is probably the wrong side of that.
I can see it being reversed.
Also I'd see a security risk here. What's to stop buddies of the guy who just shot people in France today walking out with a few nice new passports ready to go to a forger?
"Oh the brexiteers will all be so annoyed as they voted leave to get passports made in clacton, bet they feel stupid", like they did with the blue passport rubbish.
But this is a stupid decision, diplomatically, politically.
And financially it may be bad. If the price was half the uk figure it would probably make sense, but if it's a smaller fraction there is a break even point where money that is leaving the uk that would otherwise have remained and been recirculated in the UK means a bad deal for the UK. And this is probably the wrong side of that.
I can see it being reversed.
Also I'd see a security risk here. What's to stop buddies of the guy who just shot people in France today walking out with a few nice new passports ready to go to a forger?
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