The silence over Telford is deafening

you,re not very smart are you studyform, now I think you will find I post on many different  subjects here, not all.
But what that has to do with you I don't know

Studyform,

There is space for both on the BBC headlines. It is not an either or situation.

To my mind the destruction of many thousands of lives in the UK in Telford should be at least as important as reporting from Syria.

Destruction of lives seems to have many meanings... This could be considered semantics.
To my mind the destruction of many thousands of lives in the UK in Telford should be at least as important as reporting from Syria.

This is what you do best. in one sentence you have upgraded the suffering in Telford and downgraded the suffering in Syria. You will then use this as a starting point for the next piece of agenda driven indoctrination.

At no point have I said either/or. I was responding to a ridiculous post. You now seem to think it deviation from whatever the latest message is.

its like this, the question is what gets reported and why it gets reported or not
It has nothing to do with the comparison between a war in the middle east and what is happening in England
I remember a number of years ago a small boy was trapped down a well in Italy , the nations news covered this story night and day until the young boy was saved
Quite right, it captured the nations hearts
At the same time thousands of other people young and old were dying all over the world
Not in Italy, and not this young boy thank god

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Destruction of lives seems to have many meanings... This could be considered semantics.
To my mind the destruction of many thousands of lives in the UK in Telford should be at least as important as reporting from Syria.

This is what you do best. in one sentence you have upgraded the suffering in Telford and downgraded the suffering in Syria.

^

What have I upgraded or downgraded? You are the one so keen to align the two and make an issue of it to distract from the topic in question.

Nazir Afzal (Chief Prosecutor for North West England from 2011 to 2015) said that the CSA victims could fill Wembley stadium at least. Add to that their parents, their sibblings, their future children, their future partners and this endemic will end up deeply affecting the large parts of our society.

The silence of the lamb kebabs.

Look, I just picked up on one post, which I thought was an even more stupid post than usual.
Nothing to do with debating Telford, or anything else. The alignment of the 2 was what I was reacting to, not creating, as you should be able to tell.
As for your grading, well, it all depends how you want to define the destruction of lives and where you want to draw comparisons, doesn't it?

I would say that the "destruction of lives" (literal) as is happening on a huge scale in Syria, in a short space of time, is perfectly newsworthy and not a replacement story for the wrongs of child-grooming gangs in Telford. This is all I ever wanted to say, but as it seems the nearest thing to a dissenting voice, you are all over it.

My point has been more than laboured (and mostly ignored) now and I have better things to do.

Studyform,

Thank you for explaining that.

It seems we are in agreement that both of these horrific stories should be covered by the UK news.

That's ok studyform , other people sometimes pick up on your stupid posts also
That's a waste of time

Studyform seems not want  the disgraceful situation in Telford to be allowed to be commented on.
He seems to want to close down debate.  Any other person voicing an opinion has personal smears directed to them, loaded with innuendo.  Not that he is ever interested in debating the issue.  He sides with the establishment line on Telford and with the people who have tried to cover it up for 40 years. He turns away from the issue and makes it a personal attack on individuals accusing them of being trolls in the case of insider trader and is full of nasty innuendo regards my posts.
It is an attempt to obfuscate and divert away from what is going on in Telford.  I am surprised - I would have thought someone who is so balanced would be on the side of the young people and approve of a full scale examination of what has been going on.  Instead 'nazi', and other personal innuendoes are directed at posters to denigrate them.  What is it about the establishment cover up he likes - I simply do not understand it.  Does he actually approve of what has gone on amongst the authorities or is he hoping to deflect attention about a particular group/groups involved.  Just read what sweeping generalisations he has posted.

STUDYFORM    17 Mar 18 20:10 
Moisok, you consistently and obsessively ramble on and on about; the cult, the clan, people with beards, how you are a Labour member (yeah, right), how everyone is biased and how ALL "people of a certain religion" and how all the crimes and rapes and trouble we have is down to those of an eastern faith, blah blah blah, etc etc"

You're like a German activist in the 1930's

But, ffs, suggesting any "agenda" to broadcast the deaths and misery of ordinary people in a war is a part of a cover-up to deflect from how nasty those 'clanspeople' are, is even more ridiculous than your normal tosh.

You obviously have no concept of what it must be like to be an ordinary person living in eastern Ghouta right now. It isn't a competition with anywhere else that has strife and in and of itself is a crisis.

You have issues, moisok. You need to change the record, this one is scratched and worn out.

and what is all this anti cult drive is he on about - doesn't make sense

Lord Pearson is a shining light.

When asked what response he got in the House of Lords, one criticism was 'you're endangering the security of the the HoL'

So terrorism works to shut down the debate!

It's very simple moisok. I was never "debating" anythig

You posted this:
moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

I responded to it and now you confuse and cloud stuff with whatever followed it.

Only this:
moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

The further stuff I wrote was in answer to your muddled nonsense about anything other than this:
moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

You have now written loads of defensive rubbish, when ALL I was talking about was this:
moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

Study just wants to take the establishment line and uses personal insults and inuendo to try and deflect.  I wonder why he wants to do this - who is he trying to cover for?

Still wondering about the cult I supposedly keep on about?
'Nazi & Labour party innuendo - I have 'issues' and other pathetic slurs.
What group are you defending then study??  The councillors who tried to cover it all up over 40 years.

You obviously don't want to acknowledge that THIS:
moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

was a stupid thing to write.

It is the ONLY THING I was ever talking about.
No deflection, no insults, no cover, no agenda. I didn't write it, YOU did.
everything that followed was ballocks.

My first post yesterday on this topic said:
STUDYFORM  • March 17, 2018 6:04 PM GMT 

Yeah bomb a few civilians, not newsworthy, not important, eh?

It was in response to this:
moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

anything that went after was as a result of you trying to avoid this:
moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

so you deny this

STUDYFORM    17 Mar 18 20:10 
Moisok, you consistently and obsessively ramble on and on about; the cult, the clan, people with beards, how you are a Labour member (yeah, right), how everyone is biased and how ALL "people of a certain religion" and how all the crimes and rapes and trouble we have is down to those of an eastern faith, blah blah blah, etc etc"

You're like a German activist in the 1930's

But, ffs, suggesting any "agenda" to broadcast the deaths and misery of ordinary people in a war is a part of a cover-up to deflect from how nasty those 'clanspeople' are, is even more ridiculous than your normal tosh.

You obviously have no concept of what it must be like to be an ordinary person living in eastern Ghouta right now. It isn't a competition with anywhere else that has strife and in and of itself is a crisis.

You have issues, moisok. You need to change the record, this one is scratched and worn out.

I wrote it AFTER you wrote this (and ignored my original point, which you have now continued to do over more threads and about 40 posts):

moisok  • March 17, 2018 6:37 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual news progs concentrate on ghouta but nearly(but not quite) ignore turkey's invasion of syria where hundreds of thousands of civilians are at risk

they have an agenda and studyform sucks it all up

which was in response to my picking you up on this:

moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

and you deny this
#
and where you slip in this   - 'shows you to be a bit of a cnt' which is clearly in the text
two texts full of derogatory slurs 
I think it shows what a liar you are as it is clearly there


STUDYFORM    17 Mar 18 20:38 
I don't really give a shoite about the crap you write gernerally, but the comment about " bombing a few civilians in eastern Ghouta" being of no consequence compared to something which is, lets face it, on YOUR agenda, is BS of the highest order.

Fortunately there are still a few people on here who can keep more of a balanced view. For me this just involves thinking of others in a far worse situation than ourselves and empathising a little... unlike so many of you constant politicos who never get involved in anything else...
speaking of which, no I T, I didn't, I couldn't give a feck about any videos posted on here for political mileage. Particularly by you.

For a Labour party member, you post an awful lot of anti-Labour stuff, moisok. As for personal insults, a comment like the one you made about eastern Ghouta shows you to be a bit of a cnt IMHO. I'm not accusing you of being a Nazi, just saying how it must have been in an average German beirkeller in the 30's and how it is on this forum. There are parallels and you are busy propping up the bar.

fwiw, I answer plenty of points on here, but it won't change anything, because so many people are here for just the one reason.
(Insider Trader particularly), hence my reluctance to join in the impossible needless 'debates'.
They are all useless, because one of you will start posting some made-up garbage from a far-right site (which invariably claims not to be) and never actually debate anything.

If you had spent any of the last few weeks living in eastern Ghouta, you'd never have written such crass nonsense.

It's all there, on this thread. And all because you chose to ignore my initial point. I'm denying nothing.

You're being thick and obtuse, and deliberately missing the point. Mine is more than made, so now you can go and do the other thing.

Telford remains a scandal and you want to side with the establishment in its cover up meanwhile denegrating at least two people on here who have raised issues about it.  Talk about missing the WHOLE point.  Bye bye.

Studyform,
Please address your anger at Telford groomers rather than moisok who is merely the messenger.

The media,especially the nationally funded BBC have failed to address the Telford abuse in a proportinate manner.Strangely enough the UK population has an inclination to hear more about the events in UK than elsewhere in Syria,etc.We may not be as parochial as USA but we very nearly got involved in yet another stupid war that is nothing to do with us by jingoistic media and politicians.Ed Miliband may not have had the right reasons for failing to support bombing for Cameron but he did get that right.

Telford has been covered up to surpress anti Muslim sentiment.  It's not rocket science.

You wouldn't believe the name of someone else who has been uncovered and running a brothel for a decade or more(now deceased)  - plod did well too     - well you just know don't you

Carry on ignoring the facts Form.  why do you 'progressives' resort to insults all the time?? It is really funny and exposes you for what you are.  Never mind.  It is not your fault.  Being exposed to establishment propaganda can affect the mind.

You're enjoying the backing of other posters without once addressing the ONLY point I ever made.

The rest, as you well know, is crap.

It really is quite sad.

Oh, and if anyone is exposed to propaganda.....

Well, go on then, explain this:

And only this, I've only mentioned it about a dozen times.

It's YOUR (idiotic, ridiculous) post and the ONLY THING I EVER POSTED ANYTHING ABOUT. despite you and I>T and oithers trying to twist it into many other things.

moisok  • March 17, 2018 5:42 PM GMT 

likewise the televisual experience - they just don't want to handle these news items as they are so grubby and it is only poor youngsters -of no importance  - sorry but that is the picture I get

but bomb some civilians in ghouta and they are all over it - why is there such bias - the telford ones are our own people??

cover your ears and shut your eyes and you can't hear or see what is happening

Studyform still refuses to address the Telford issue. Unbelievable he nitpicks at something unrelated to avoid talking about the impact of the grooming gangs.

At least 1,000 children - some as young as 11 - are feared to have been drugged and abused by perverts in Telford, Shrops, since the 1980s.

And, fwiw, I hope they get the people who did it and rip their balls off.

Studyform

This thread is about the silence and cover up in the media and by the police and the government on what is happening in Telford
It is not about you

Now you have chosen to focus on something that was said about a war halfway across the country. The interpretation you put on that is wrong, as usual , but that is neither here nor there

The government of this country is responsible first and foremost for the problems within this country
You see it suits the government to have peoples attention elsewhere, the greater the catastrophes elsewhere and the more coverage elsewhere the better it is for them

The like to look at being concerned about things that don't concern them , at things that they don't have to solve, that are the respo0nsibility of other countries and people
That means they can more easily cover up what is happening here and get away with doing **** all

Now its not about which is more terrible, the problems in a foreign country ,or the problems our own country which is the responsibility of our own government
That is what you picked up on, no doubt you had your reasons and your own muddled thinking
Try and understand that you silly old fool

Great post lfc.Agree with your every word.

Well said lfc.....time for honest and open debate.

I think we will Find in the Coming Months years there are thousands more Cases

the independent did one on newcastle and a spokesperson or investigator said it is likely to be in every town in the uk

but that is sensationalising it all isn't it.

they reckon 80 percent of perps are white, but there is one group that specialise in group hugs

and another from europe who  are experts with traffic or something like that - would that be learning to drive??  - supposedly speaking with east european accents.

#Londonisbad Missing from the List so far , Or Perhaps a Hush Hush Job by the Met ? Lord Knows they have enough to deal with ,Knife Men ,Acid Chuckers, Highwaymen on Scooters ..

Check out the mirror latest.
Whistle blower policemen come out with information that just shows how extensive the cover up was and look at the excuses.

This is a national scandal how these girls are ignored.

Well well well.
Some sad loser, with nothing better to do, getting my posts removed again.

Taking away a right to reply gives you a boner does it?

Get a life, you twaat, trolling the forum looking to report people is not a normal existence... really.

Saw your post earlier this morning studyform, no reason why it should have been removed.
forums gone to pot

Good of you to say so, lfc.

It has.

tommy and stefan molyneux  on  telford              https://youtu.be/C_tAQcxVKgM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql7sJIeUnIU

Interesting video saddo. The BBC bloke defending the lack of coverage by saying it's been a busy week: Nerve agent, Hawking, Ken Dodd.. Ludicrous!!

Instead of female BBC staff complaining about pay, perhaps they should be highlighting the BBC's appalling non reporting of Telford's white girls' appalling abuse. Now that IS sexist.

The question was aired though, and doggedly asked. They will need to think twice in future.

How many towns has this filth destroyed ?

Every town is the answer .

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/telford-get-serious-child-grooming-sexual-abuse

She asks, 'How many Telfords before we get serious about grooming gangs'

All the time we have MP's like you is the answer.

Note the fudging and mixing of 'gangs'

So who exactly has been involved in all these 'gangs' then - doesn't mention anyone at all.
Guess it must just come out of the sky like a winged horseman  !!!

So who exactly are involved in all this terrible goings on??

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/12/1000-children-victims-worst-uk-abuse-ring-telford

???  Does the guardian know?

So they won't name names or indicate who make up many of these any grooming gangs but hey get another group and guess what

THEY ARE ALL OVER THEM

shame they don't take the same forensic examination of a group they must not name but this lot are fair game as far as the guardian is concernde

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/25/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-silencing-victims-of-child-abuse-uk

concerned


I call it support of a one eyed agenda by omission

Telford got a mention on the BBC News at 6 tonight

It got all of 20 seconds (yes SECONDS) sandwiched between the 4th and 6th stories in the running order (both of which got about 10 times longer)




they think its all UNDER (the carpet). It is now 

Seems there was Team of Homosexual Rapists at work as well

Seems Like anything is a goer with this Mob .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-43586131

Explosive Stuff from the BBC with a Muslim Mother now saying it how it is

Sadly the Woman appears to be Living in some form of Temporary accomadation , it was white Men who were abusing her Son..

No Doubt there will be a Full investigation Carried out by the Police and this Item will be front page news on the BBC  for

a few Weeks , Telford appears to be a Haven for all kinds of perverts ,the BBC are pointing out that there are infact mass

gangs of White, Asian and Black Perverts running wild in towns across the UK ... The Police have been so Busy rounding up

the Asian Culprits that none of the White and Black gangs have Yet been Arrested .no doubt this will be sorted over the

next

few years . I have infact studied the Pictures of the Arrested grooming Gangs and Read alot about them ,I have yet to see a

White or Black face Among them , Or seen a Western  West Indian or African name Mentioned

meanwhile

LOOK OVER THERE - THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!!

Brilliant distraction tactics with the media whipping it up.  Invasion looms.

But sadly there has been another invasion which much of the televisual media doesn't want to mention.

But hear a foreign accent near a polling station(joke - actually they told me how to vote!!) or egging on the 'cold war' hysteria is much better and easier to pump out

they don't seem to have any stamina for these grooming gang stories - be honest they are rather horrible and grubby for the lovely presenters and their editors  - plastic bags a much better panic story with whales and nice fishes being hurt

but the cold war now rolls on daily

like in 1984  HATE TIME

I love how they are quick to point out the whiteness of this one ho ho ho

80 or 100 percent of solo grooming is supposedly white
but the gangs are 80 percent south asian  - I love that description

the Quillam foundation say it is 84 percent muslim

just helping

There is a Pakistani guy on LBC who regularly says 87% of perps are Pakistani or Kashmiri(Pakistanis in all but name). He seems to know his stuff.

It should be offensive to the large numbers of very decent Indians,Filipnos and Sri Lankans who are Asian but get tainted by association due to this fear of speaking the truth for the sake of diversity.

quilliam foundation I think it is called.  Maajid Nawaz  - they do not like him.  A muslim speaking out.  It sort of really messes up the guardian/progressive narrative.

My apologies, he does claim only 84%. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=65&v=kfsWdXXOpwA

bbc the biggest culprits in all of this

DFLA protest outside Telford Cop Shop. Quite brilliant...

https://youtu.be/FBvpvGVmvSY

you have to understand that orders come from above

it is highly political

it is votes that is a big issue

several million of them.  If you upset them too much they will not vote for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBvpvGVmvSY

Maurauding sex cases Europe Wide ,The door was left open ,its Still open .

come on darn to landan case

our nice mayor has spent a million each on two borough kulcherel events

you will have a ball

I should Like to Meet Mr Khan to Discuss the WILL YOUNG case and see if any headway has been made questioning the only 4 bus drivers that fit the Time Scale ,Im sure TFL have returned the Report to him .

A search for This Chap in the Croydon Area

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-hunt-man-after-sex-assault-on-a-bus-from-croydon-to-brixton-a3805651.html

just the tip of the iceberg whats already been disclosed,walsall will be the next one

Stumbled on this clip today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5MZ51aEGI

I've never heard of this excuse for a woman, but she is a dangerous lunatic - listen to her condescending dismissal of facts and warped mis-quoting of statistics to suit her own sick sick agenda.
I'd love someone with a half an ounce of intellect to come on her show and tear her a new one.

The number of child sexual offences in London rocketed by 30 per cent to more than 1,000 crimes last year, new figures reveal today.

1st I have heard of this .

The true figures will be even more shocking
What a wonderful place to live

Sometimes it's good to be just a white trash peasant

White trash +1

Denzil - We'll be too strong (as long as we wake up) Cold steel would suffice..(credit to Corporal Jones)

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Stumbled on this clip today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5MZ51aEGI


^

No one comes out of that clip with any credit. The commentator at the end was just plain offensive calling the LBC presenter ugly and fat and barron.

To be fair to LBC they have some people with very bizarre views such as James O'Brien but they counter his nonsense with Maajid and patriots like Farage.

Example of police not enforcing the rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyn8GMkFe4s

It's all I expect to be happening

lovely Gaff Telford .. the Taxis are full of you know who

Unconscious White girls

gang rape and murder of a 8 year old girl in india,if they do it there they do it over here,what is wrong with these people

It's heartbreaking GAZO if you let yourself get too involved the cultures of these people are disgusting and wrong

I've been told of a local rape incident and there's some sort of protest in the pipeline but no names have been mentioned and very little from local media just vague outlines as you'd expect.
It took place inside The Jamdani restaurant and the perpetrators aren't thought to be White.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/two-men-released-two-others-14499248

its almost terrifying to think what actually goes on in this country,can see something happening in the wrong place and riots will kick off

Problem is everybody's too scared to kick off and stand up for what's actually right and wrong as we know we aren't all judged in the same way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-44038966

Its report said progress had been made since it began in 2014, with 97 convictions secured for offences including rape and sexual assault.
And there are 35 prosecutions still going through the court system.
Sixty taxi drivers suspected of sexual exploitation have been suspended, and more than 550 people have been referred to the immigration service for deportation.

Usual suspects Gallery .... 

550  Referred for deportation ,Plenty of Work for our Luvvie friends to be getting on with here. how can their dreams of
a happy Diverse population be turning into so many nightmares ?

I wonder if any of our Friends on here would care to explain what has gone wrong ?

Spread on the number of these things that will be sent packing  20/22 And I am seller at 20  ,these things have rights .

Strange No reply from our Luvvie Chums, regarding 550 people needing to be Deported from the Nortumbrian Area Alone ...

What has gone wrong gone wrong ? How could this Happen ?

I await a reply ..

Must be thousands more up for trial in Lancs and Yorkshire mostly all from Pakistan... FILTH

why the middle class feminists don't want to hear about scandals such as Telford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gdUq7m9CEw


some of the best insights I've heard on the topic.

I have always said it is far too grubby a tale for those types to get involved in.  That goes for all the tv personalities and presenters.  It is simply too nasty

Well worth a listen that Plat.

Brendan O'Neill never had anything of value to say and writes the same article every week just changing a few buzzwords about

Labour mp comes out this week and 20 others demand action and --------zilch

I think it is so obvious a votes issue. Just don't want to upset them - several million votes are a lot to throw away for lab and tory.

Feminists go for lack of boardroom representation instead. QED.

I've yet to hear a single argument to disprove any of these points made about either Telford or the lunacy from 3rd wave feminists in general.

these people are a disgrace to their gender. An absolute disgrace