Teachers in High Schools in USA should be armed

What a load of rubbish casemoney!

Think about it. Is the armed security guard going to carrying a high powered assault rifle? You think he will want to take on a young punk if he has a pistol?

How many " Socialist " European countries have schools with armed guards?

The terrorist organisation the National Rifle Association have not allowed it's retainers to vote for any control of guns!

We heard their dicke in chief today saying he wanted background checks for years but them went on to deride any checks asking who would decide who was fit and proper to carry a gun!

lets see if Congress votes for stronger background checks and a ban on bump stocks! I am not sure they will.

I agree with the kid who asked how come he can't buy a beer at 18 and yet he can go out and buy a weapon of war! There is little cause for the sale of Assault Rifles. Don't get me wrong, if I had one I would not want to give it back but we all know it is just plain wrong and stupid.

Incidentally I have been shooting in America, not at a gun club but on open land, pistols and shot guns. I remember this guy in an SUV pulled up in a SUV and just pulled an M16 out of the boot ( trunk! ) and started bashing them out at a distance of 25 yards! Only in America!

I dont you can defeat or defend guns with guns.

USA are mental about there guns, the only way is change their whole outlook and that aint going to happen with who finances the USA.

I don't think you get get rid of the guns you are right but they can do better background checks, they can ban bump stocks and they can ban assault rifles....but like you say I am not sure they will.

The NRA will fight tooth and nail over this in the background because they realise once the first laws are passed and attitudes change their arguments hold no water. I am extremely sceptical much will be done.

Find myself agreeing 100% with a Sonko post.

Need tequila.

A pair of assault rifles, nearly 100-high-capacity magazines and two handguns were discovered in the home of a 17-year-old who was arrested for threatening to open fire at his school in California.

You don't bring a pistol to an assault rifle fight! You might even get gang bangers try and rob the guns from the security guards! Scary Mary!

I remember reading a Judge Dredd comic strip where a school was attacked and the teachers all drew their guns
and fired back. It seems that dystopian vision is frighteningly close to reality now

Head of the NRA response: “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”..........Words fail me.

As long as the good guy is a good shot

problem is  a shooter burst into a classroom, who is the first to get it ? wouldnt like to be a teacher

Give all the kids guns as well - just to be on the safe side

in the u s a .....
how come you cant get on a plane with a gun
but you can walk into a school with a gun

tougher security will be the answer
until it dont work properly

What about if a teacher with a gun loses his rag at some pupils?

Sorry, I just read the OP.

There is a problem with the American school system and the age of the pupils
In America the vast majority of students stay in school until at least 18
Technically you can legally leave at 16 but this is discouraged(known as dropouts) and the job prospects for someone without a high school diploma in the states is worse than dismal....big mistake

the vast majority of students stay in school until 18,very many are not suited to being in school , they are young men not children, big mistake

the vast majority of school pupils should be leaving school at 16, at the latest, even 14 or 15 would be ideal preferably into an apprenticeship of some sort and a work environment

if you have young men, in this sort of artificial environment here they are literally forced to stay in school from the ages of 16 to 18 and if they don't they are considered drop outs and have dismal job prospects and add to this the American culture of guns and availability of guns then you have a potentially explosive mix

They system is wrong, the vast majority of young people should not be in school under these circumstances,
That is the root cause of the problem

Did anyone ask the teachers opinion?

arm the teachers and have armed military personal on school in the meantime
This is just a preventative measure and nothing wrong with that

But unless the fundamentalproblem of having millions of young men in school who shouldn't be in school is addressed , and add to this the culture of violence in the mainstream now
Then this is something that can happen, perhaps even is likely to happen

Many young men don't become fully human until they have left school , they have to be in the real world, they have to have a job and live in a different environment, they have to meet a girl and their brains have to become fully human
This can really only happen , for many even most young men after leaving school and learning in the real world

^ i was just thinking what a sensible post, for once, about students being kept in the high school environment for
far too long then you revert to type & suggest "military personnel" in high schools.

I am saying that is a short term preventative measure, but not really a solution and certainly not something that should be the case
The very fact that it is necessary means there is a fault at the very heart of the system
And that must be addressed, schools are no place for very many young men

It is complete madness to have a situation where they are considered drop outs and have extremely reduced chances of getting a job and in life if they leave at 16
For heavens sake it is not sensible for many many , perhaps most

TBF it has been recognised and you can finish a high school diploma online, at adult learning centres & many community
colleges will allow enrolment without a HSD where they make up the missing credits along side the degree course.

forget about the bloddy high school diploma !

when they have an armed police officer on site who fails to act it pretty much tells you that stopping gun ownership in the first place is the only way to prevent killings

given the number of guns in circulation in the usa i doubt they will ever solve this

it is a combination of the culture of violence in modern society, in films, video games, the most dangerous the internet, and guns
And then you have young men, in this environment, part of this environment, growing up in this environment
And they are in school , young men who should have left before , who should not be there
not children, young men and the very powerful force for evil that is the internet and the prevailing culture of violence

As long as the good guy is a good shot

I posted this yesterday, turns out the good guy has to have some courage as well

America is a very courageous country, so is England . But we are in danger of making ourselves less as men, men are different.
They have to be courageous

Some absolute bollox on this thread.

Without banning the general sale of firearms then everything else is superfluous.

The government need to immediately ban the sale of firearms to the general public. Declare the ownership of arms illegal from a set date and pay gun owners compensation for every gun they hand over in an amnesty.

They need to reinforce all of this with a hard hitting government funded marketing campaign explaining what is happening (as above), why it's happening (look at gun crime rates in the rest of the developed world) and what a future without gun totting maniacs would be like (not worrying about dropping kids off at school for eg).

There is no other solution.

Just to show charwell ( and many others) are correct, armed security present, students still killed.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/armed-guard-duty-florida-school-shooting-never-went-093208213.html

^ silly post

The problem America faces is that it is really the largest and most diverse multi cultural society ever created
multi cultural societies are more violent
in such societies innocent people need guns to protect themselves from violent people so do not want to give up this protection in such a society
But of course because it is a multicultural society and by its nature more violent
the people within this society cannot trust others within the society with guns

So that is the dilemma, they need guns to protect themselves and they cant trust their fellow citizens with guns

Other countries such as Israel have as many guns as America, to protect themselves
but of course that is to protect themselves from an outside threat, not so much amongst themselves and so they don't have the same problems

The government need to immediately ban the sale of firearms to the general public. Declare the ownership of arms illegal from a set date and pay gun owners compensation for every gun they hand over in an amnesty.


Great idea charwell! Gang bangers, biker clubs and the Mafia all well know for not wanting to do anything illegal !!! Only law abiding citizens would give up their weapons leaving them at a worse advantage. Sadly given the number of weapons in circulation that particular horse has well and truly bolted.

I am afraid ufc in that society it cannot be done, too dangerous, you might as well say that the Israelis should give up their individual firearms
That wont be done either, too dangerous

the guns are their for a reason, no good person wants them , but they need them
they neede them because they cant trust the people around them

This is not unusual, it is inevitable in such a society. America was the first to create such a society
now others have followed, not a good idea

It is a wonderful country in many ways, but it has this fatal flaw

America should have a gun referendum and the states who vote for an outright ban should declare independence and separation from the states who don't support a ban

Arming the teachers puts the kids at risk. The only solution to that is arming the kids as well.

Kids would soon get the teachers attention if they wasted one or two for late homework etc.

The downside would be if you arm the kids then parents would be vulnerable so they would need to be armed as well.

They can't get rid of the existing guns in an effective way, there are too many out there and as someone said, an amnesty would just see law-abiding citizens handing over their weapons.
The only solution I can see is to strangle the supply of ammunition, especially cut off supply intended for assault weapons. You can't get rid of what is already out there but as it's a "consumable" then the ban on general supply should eventually have the desired effect.

Some frighteningly spurious arguments to my previous post.

It's like saying that because of all the knife crime in London we should arm everybody with a knife to protect themselves; instead of looking to reduce the influence of gangs and reduce the number of knives being carried in public.

The current law in America allows the gangs etc. to have loaded weapons lawfully. Making it unlawful is the only sensible first step in tackling gun crime effectively.

LFC I am sure you are on some very high dosage mind altering substances, because you don't half post utter shyte on just about every thread you contribute to. In fact I can rarely see what, if any, point you are making.

you should say what you think charwell ..

That deputy that stayed outside is getting totally roasted. i dunno what to think, he should have tried to help
but i've never been in that situation. nobody knows how they would react. He had a pistol & hearing automatic gunfire
he froze. Not good but can you be sure you would have behaved differently?
i guess that is why we are so impressed when we see people running toward danger when every human instinct is get
the hell away.
this guys life as he knew it is ******

He'll be a scapegoat for the gun nutters

Lfc read my post at 13.29 properly. My response to charwell was that his idea was unworkable.

crystalhunt • February 23, 2018 6:36 PM GMT
He'll be a scapegoat for the gun nutters

100%

charwell let me make it simple for you,

America is a violent society, violent people do not need guns to rob, violent people do not need guns to to break into your house, and kill you
If you are living in the cities, or on your own on farmland or in the countryside you had better have a gun to protect yourself.

If you don't then it doesn't matter, in large parts of America it doesn't matter where really
it could be in the inner city surrounded by people or out in a lone property with no one for miles...I would want to own a gun

Now how difficult is that for you to understand?

The NRA dipsh!t who told us bad people with guns could only be stopped by good people with guns
forgot to mention that they may be good but unless they are very brave & good shots being good doesn't cut it.

let me tell you how it works northanlite, if you don't have a gun, and you are living on your own miles from anyone else, they know you don't have a gun..and they might or might not have a gun, or a knife it doesn't matter

And it doesn't matter how brave you are , if you don't have a gun

not to mention a whole classroom could be wiped out with an automatic weapon even if an armed teacher responded to the first sounds of gun fire

now I suggest you start focusing on why people are violent instead of focusing on guns

It is always better for someone to have a gun to try and protect schoolchildren or their own home or their own family, or their own parents
It is always better that they have a chance of protection, better that even if it fails
better to die that way

now very many people in Israel have personal firearms, they need them. they serve as young people in the army, they are a stable society, that are a single free and liberalculture and a safe society
they will not be giving up their personal guns just yet

so the problem is the society, it is a dangerous society in America , that's why they need guns
it is not a dangerous society because they have guns

try and understand that

and what is the most common type of gun death?

its ok northanlite, everyone is different every family is different
it wont be compulsory if you don't want one don't get one
that seems to me to be a good arramgement

China has had similar problems, equally as bad in some cases perhaps worse if possible, no guns, but knives etc fatalities and injuries that are too terrible, are kept quiet to someextent by the Chinese gov
After a school attack in Chenpeng the Chinese gov began posting security guards in schools throughout the country

say it out loud to yourself, let it percolate for a while then repeat the idea that school teachers
should carry firearms. surly at that point the insanity hit you?

That's the only answer Trump could come up with when addressing the Florida students. That's how much he's in the pocket of the NRA. Gave the impression that he'd thought of a new solution. How soon before the likes of Fox news and the NRA spokes people start branding the student protesters as unpatriotic lefties.

Why do you even mention trump in this long standing problem in the usa ?

He has been in power for 1 year, i dont think you understand how it all works. Or you are just thick.

Feb 23, 2018 -- 10:10PM, crystalhunt wrote:

That's the only answer Trump could come up with when addressing the Florida students. That's how much he's in the pocket of the NRA. Gave the impression that he'd thought of a new solution. How soon before the likes of Fox news and the NRA spokes people start branding the student protesters as unpatriotic lefties.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?441475-3/conservative-political-action-conference-wayne-lapierre-remarks

The CEO of the NRA ranting about European style socialists and, I kid you not, ranting about elites. Yes, the multimillionaire CEO of the mightily powerful NRA seriously played the anti-elites card.

Ibrahima Sonko    23 Feb 18 23:33 
Why do you even mention trump in this long standing problem in the usa ?

He has been in power for 1 year, i dont think you understand how it all works. Or you are just thick.

I presume you are talking to me. Trump is the president and he has made a statement on the issue so why not mention him ffs. You are a right wing snowflake, continuously jumping to Trump's defense regardless of the issue. I'm sure I've got a better understanding of how it all works than you. Trump was funded like many other politicians in the USA by the NRA and as such has blood on his hands but he doesn't give a fcuk.

There is One resolution , Protect the Schools colleges with Armed Guards , CCTV links between all places ,They already have
Security in Place at Most, Metal detectors ETC , CCTV and a Guard on Site With guards on the Way should it Kick off ,School
Swat ,I would call it, PAID BY A GUN TAX as I already stated,  but then Someone thought I was being silly ...

The Problem is you may stop such attacks but Cowards will look for easy Prey , they Know there is no one with a Gun at the School ,if that is not the case , They will then target a Sports field or Such like ..

As for the Armed **** who was outside the School ?? Who Knows ..

It is a beautiful fcked up world over there ,You are not Banning Guns it is not happening ,as for Age Restriction PMSFL
you can break into the Neighbours House if your Daddy don't own one ..

I was at at Racetrack Casino  Place in Louisiana  a couple of years  Back , they had Signs if you were going inside that Said, NO WEAPONS BEYOND THIS POINT was a horse track ffs  ,The place is fcked up Gun wise and would only get worse if Bans were put into action .. 

If cows started Sh1tting from the Sky they would blame Don Trumpton

The troubling thing about all those wanting the constitution of the USA put in the garbage can is they care not a jot for what the people in the USA actually want ,they want to impose on them ,they want everyones rights taken away whether everyone wants it or not ,what a strange crew they are .                                                                                                                   Symptoms causes and cures ,taking away everyone's  rights because of a few ass holes is not going to help ,it's going to make it worse ,much much worse .

SPOT ON BREAD ,,, I do not agree with hunting What so ever , but that is what your all American is , Driving up my road with a Dead animal on Display is not me ,but then hanging a terrified animal upside Down and slitting its throat and leting it slowly bleed to death is not Either ..

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GUNS OVER THERE , THE ONLY RESULT WILL BE IF SOME NUTTER DOES NOT TARGET THESE YOUNG KIDS ON THEIR MARCHES ...

They have sadly realised it is not a good world too early

^ that is next.
Anything to boost gun sales is "the solution".

Oops
I was replying to

Dotchinite
Arming the teachers puts the kids at risk. The only solution to that is arming the kids as well.

Yeah, they have the right to more guns if they want them. And they need all those AR-15s etc to shoot that deer, just in case the deer is tooled up as well.

Thankfully us cheddar men will be steering away from this madness,one love!

So do crystalhunt and northernlite and others think the Chinese president was wrong to place security guards in schools throughout China following the horrific attacks and murders in Chinese schools , was he an idiot to do so as well as Trump and if so
What do they think he should have done, and what do they think the Chinese parents of these children would have wanted him to do?

Does the op think that China also,as well as America ,is a "sick fcukin country"
I don't know he doesn't say

the idea of mass school shootings was born years ago,a report from 1991 "Secret Government" said this would be done so the "middle classes would demanded all Americans give up their guns" working well so far

oh shut up

not what you want to hear then mister warren commission, you haven't a clue what goes on have you

you,re an idiot and a ***** McCann , don't allow yourself to believe anything else

you,re an idiot and a ***** McCann , don't allow yourself to believe anything else

and do you believe the official 9/11 report? yes of course you do

its all there on the internet but of course yer not intrested because its the total opposite to the old b0llocks you come with

if anyone should shut up its you,you blinked pr1ck---end of rant,have a nice day

Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's any more true than the official versions of events you seek to denounce. 

If an official report said it was Saturday, you would find something that said it was Wednesday.

And on the other side of the coin, if it was Wednesday and the official report said it was Saturday, you would believe it was Saturday.

I agree,can you give me an example of when the official day was Saturday and it was really a Wednesday?

It happened in 1752 lfc...

you see its like this, I am going to believe that today is Saturday, not Wednesday
when I get a number 12 bus to hammersmith I believe it will take me to hammersmith
that seems reasonable to me
I dont believe it will be driven by father Christmas

I,m like that

Nor do I. I gave you the example you were after though.

,you gave an example of when calanders and dates and days change.
when they change again I will be quite happy to call today Wednesday
until that happens I will continue to believe that today is Saturday
that seems reasonable to me

now you can call it Wednesday if you wish

Oh yes, your examples there seem very reasonable.

I do sometimes forget what day of the week it is, but I like to stick to the name of the day that everyone else does just to avoid confusion.

This doesn't mean I won't question 'official' reports of serious events.

very good gmad, as long as you don't start questioning that today is Saturday,i suppose that's progress

you see everyone should be sceptical of what anyone says , who could deny that?

lfc, give it a rest. Teachers being armed??!!........... FFS you are a complete buffoon and blathering gobshyte.

Totally agree that there should be tests to stop people with mental health problems getting access to guns.

Starting with proven conspiracy nuts!

So here we have the stupidity of people like charwell. Who is prepared to allow schoolchildren to be in school and to be totally unprotected should such another atrocity occur, for the teachers to have no protection and and to expect them perhaps to sacrifice their own lives, as the school coach did in this most recent case and sadly bravely lost his life as the gunman continued, and could not be stopped!

Now if nothing is done, if the US government do not put armed military or at least specially trained personal into schools throughout the country, and do it now, then they are responsible, they have failed in their duty of care to protect children in school
They know it has happened it is happening now they have no need to know anything more
And they should be sued for millions of dollars by the parents who lose children and they should be taken to court and jailed for not protecting them and allowing them to be in school defenceless against another attack

perhaps we can meet JC and you can say that to my face

not more threats of violence please!

there have been others mr warren?

No denial, that was one indeed an affirmation.

Wow, the voices in the head of the resident special person (his 9/11 crew) apparently want a showdown someone finds his special abilities comment worthy :)

And in a thread where I'm suggesting that at the very least people with mental issues in the US shouldn't be allowed access to guns.

"Priceless"

*as* someone

righty-o