Another 17 Students Dead US College shooting

Sorry was a High school

300 million guns owned by US citizens. This is a regular occurrence, sad to say. As you say, insane.

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
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President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.


The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions.

Why are so many mentally ill maybe a better question as knives can do as much damage ?

I don't think knives can do as much damage though.

The gun used yesterday was a semi-automatic AR-15. The same gun that was used in the Vegas shooting, in the nightclub shooting in Florida, as well as San Bernardino, Sandy Hook and Colorado.



Now you'd think a normal country would put two and two together and weigh up what possible legitimate reason a citizen would have for owning such a weapon and maybe decide to ban them from general sale.


Damnit, a normal country would probably look at the number of mass shootings that go on within its borders, compared to other countries and decide to do something about the proliferation of guns altogether.



But not Trump and not all the other politicians in the NRA's pocket. No, let's remove automatic checks on people with mental health problems from buying guns.


Still, as long as the victims are in their thoughts and prayers. And remember, now is not the right time to talk about gun control.

A single lorry attack could cause as many deaths as this shooting. If a nutter wants to kill they'll find a way. Too many of em walking the streets.

Another Florida school has started selling bulletproof backpacks.




That place is utterly depraved in how they'll look for side issues to fix (and marketise) rather than just face the obvious problem head on.

A broken country.

The NRA appear to have more power than Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton put together.

They can't even outlaw semi automatic weapons! It's staggering.

See the Senator that represents Sandy Hook community has stated that they (the Senate) should blame themselves for not doing anything to put a stop to the carnage.

Some journalist tweeted that he's reported on the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 9th deadliest shootings in the US and he's only been in the country 2 years.


Things are actually getting far worse and the government is actively facilitating it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA3_kasCves

19th school shooting and we haven't even reached March.

The FBI were aware of an online threat this lunatic made, and he was banned from taking a bckpack into school, yet he was still allowed to carry it out.

keeping running totals seems to encourage the wannabee
antiheroes, setting records seems to make it worse.

the media really need to look at their reporting of these mass shootings and terror events
because in attempting to portray these acts of evil they simply feed the ego of evil and sick
folk.

18 this year is staggering

What's the alternative Donny? Don't report it?

good question mikael, i think some seeds are planted by the reporting

there would be an outcry if they dont report, but the reporting seems to encourage the act of
a future wannabee

i dont mean encourage as in the reporters wanting another act to report upon, they dont

but the future wannabee wants to be reported...

I think it's a duty of the press to report on this kind of thing. As long as they're not sensationalising or glorifying them then I don't think they're doing anything wrong. As long as you can buy semi-automatic weapons in the local supermarket with minimal checks then there are going to be mass shootings.

yep removing these weapons is an obvious first step to help stopping these events

regardless of reporting on them

tv is a powerful tool , advertisers pay fortunes for 30 seconds

a usa sitcom can change language around the world as folk copy what they see

A single lorry attack could cause as many deaths as this shooting. If a nutter wants to kill they'll find a way

guns are a singularly efficient way of killing people. that's what they're for.

guns don't kill people, people do.............Aye people with guns

Clearly the issue is that no-one else in the school had a gun, so they were unable to take down the shooter.  What America really needs is more guns. 

I have genuinely seen that argument presented online.  I sh1t you not. 

Of course, it would take decades for tighter gun controls to have a significant impact on the stats (such is the ludicrous number of guns in circulation in the US), but you have to start somewhere.

What hope is there with shops like this: 'Guns & Guitars'.

http://www.gunsguitars.com/guns.html

The AK 47 is selling for just $625!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

when i was in a "sporting goods" shop in Mobile Alabama back in the 90's we were having a look at the hand guns
but told the guy we couldn't buy one as we were just tourists. He said no problem if you want one I will sell
you one. He had no idea who we were, insanely irresponsible & i bet little has changed.
I bought 4.............. (not really)

There seems to be a total disconnect with availability of guns and these mass shootings. only the usa has that
availability & only in the usa does this regularly happen. The attempt to disconnect the two issues has already
begun, from the very top. It's outrageous

sadly its become the "norm"for these type of shootings in america ,was anyone here suprised when this latest one happened ! bit like the stabbings we have in london it happens so much that it does not have the " impact " it is almost an everyday occourance but there are many who oppose stop and search !

we have a much more open and honest debate about knife crime than the USA has about gun deaths.
the work done in Glasgow has been extensive & successful, nobody seems willing or able to tackle
these problems in the US. As soon as issues are raised some gun nut screams 2nd amendment. If it
was an amendment why can't you amend it again?

Excellent point NL.

There are allegations that at least some of these mass shootings are false flags, designed to sway the American public into accepting much tighter gun control laws against their best interests. Part of the reason for the 2nd amendment right is for citizens to be able to take down a government that gets too oppressive. It really puts the power into the hands of the people.

A potentially oppressive government would indeed take the false flag path as a step towards disarming the public. Some people in America know this, that's why they're so suspicious. General gun ownership is a double edged sword though for obvious reasons.

Only cretins think these are false flag attacks.

How is tighter gun control against their best interests?

More guns than people ffs. They're not all Colt 45s either.

Mikael, 'cos then they wont be able to defend themselves against oppression.

Yeah, I've heard that argument from those nutter survivalist types that live  on mountains in Montana.

You'd think their God would save them from oppression!

"People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people." A line from V for Vendetta

when you have a movement that does not want background checks on gun owners and does not want people
with mental illness at least checked on their suitability to hold firearms and vehemently opposes licensing
of lethal weapons in any form then you are basically arguing with a brick wall.
The big argument is over types of weapons. If these weapons are for defence why do they call them "assault weapons?"

a post on the net ,2 young children one holding an ak47 the other holding a kinder chocolate egg ,with the caption which one is banned in america ,2 guesses !

Guess it's not the 'Kinder gentler machine gun hand'?

The amount of Serial Kilers in the Country, people Need to be Armed ...

^ how  would a gun save you from a serial killer.
this was a 19 year old with a grudge who had access to as many guns as he wanted.
This is Trump's chance to be somebody but he has already gone down the mental health route
forgetting that they blocked the checks that would stop such people having guns. It's just tragic
on so many levels

A culture and country fcked up beyond repair imo.

The Mental health Route is very popular these days ...

Was hoping you'd like my Neil Young reference, Northanlite. I'm disappointed!

no didn't notice it. maybe not the time or place for it tho m8 although it rings true as does a later line
Got a man of the people, says keep hope alive their country is in the hands of snake oil sellers

money before lives !

Used to be that nothing was sacred on chit chat. Tis now a largely humourless place.

Mikael D'Haguenet • February 15, 2018 7:06 PM GMT
Used to be that nothing was sacred on chit chat. Tis now a largely humourless place.

true, i'm going to give up seething with rage for the next 35 mins & 10 seconds.

A 19 year old with mental health issues owns an assault rifle and that's perfectly acceptable, Jesus wept. All those poor innocents slaughtered, absolutely heartbreaking.

will be another next week

What has changed in the last couple of decades ?, it is the overwhelming culture of violence in video games and films and in particular the greatest force for evil, the internet
Countries are going to have to look at banning these things and to have strict censorship of the internet

Q: What sort of first world country sells bullet proof inserts for student back packs???

A: A messed up scared one

I use a forum on a US trading cards website. Got into a debate earlier and I said something along the lines of 'I'm fairly certain my girls will come home from school today unharmed.' Some Yank has replied that he is similarly confident that his kids will come home safely too. To support his argument? "There have been less than 300 school shootings since 2013."

The mind boggles.

Ban guns ??????????
When I lived in Las Vegas a gang member shot a policewoman in the throat, now if guns were banned would he hand his weapon in because it was illegal to own one and he wouldn't want to get in trouble. FFS he's already shooting old bill. Sadly if I ever go back to live I will own a gun again to give me half a chance

very few people want to ban guns in the US. What they want is background checks on owners & certain types
of weapons (assault weapons, clue is in the name) restricted and in some cases banned. These are weapons
of war, no need to own one as a civilian.

Big companies and money run the usa, they should be able to stop something as bad as the gun rule no matter the payments to the elect.

The amendment jargon is just crap to make people rich, change it ffs.

Said before and I'll say again when the constitution was written weapons were single shot. If they were the same today it wouldn't stop the nutters but it would help reduce the large numbers of fatalities

Maybe the mass shootings are not enough in terms of number of deaths, ie; in this case only 17 - what if two or three nutters got together and killed about a thousand people. Would they change the gun laws then. Probably not.
I've been to the states but I wont be going back. Found the place intimidating from the moment I got off the plane. Just getting through customs was enough to put you off.

Maybe the mass shootings are not enough in terms of number of deaths, ie; in this case only 17 - what if two or three nutters got together and killed about a thousand people. Would they change the gun laws then. Probably not.
I've been to the states but I wont be going back. Found the place intimidating from the moment I got off the plane. Just getting through customs was enough to put you off.

the vagas count was as high as you could fear, what happened then........f**k all but mad conspiracy rumours.
no doubt will be the same this time. remember Sandy Hook, nah neither does most of America. A hoax according to some

US customs have to complete a rudeness course ! 100% pass rate !

I think they also have to take anti - humour pills.

Had a run-in with the tnucs at Newark airport last year. Was genuinely concerned they'd put me on a flight back here or would've carried on. All because of one ignorant cow who hadn't been doing her job properly in the first place. Half expected her to say I'd used a racial slur against her. Would've shot her in the face had I been able to get to a Walgreens!

As crystal says, they're completely humourless.

Should add that I wasn't trying to humour them. Learned that lesson a long time ago. Now I'm usually 'yes sir, no ma'am, three bags full' etc.

^^ they do seem to make a point of being rude and aggressive. At Houston they took my 8 year old son aside,
which was fair enough, they wanted to check i wasn't taking him away from his mum without her knowing, but
they barked at him to the point he went mute.
They then pulled me over and said he was clearly traumatised,
obviously i said "yeah by you, try being nice" reply was a threatening "are you telling me how to do my job"
i thought f**k it & said "well clearly nobody else ever did." 
Big mistake, once they went through all our papers etc we got out of there 2 hours later.
Not my only run in with USCIS (as they now call themselves) either.
Americans are normally so polite too

Mikaeel D'Haguenet, I went to Vegas with my brother, they kept him in for questioning for three hours at McCarran airport because he had some Golden Virginia tobacco and a couple of packets of Rizla on him. They were way beyond obnoxious to put it mildly. I have absolutely no desire to visit America ever again personally.

if your male go by youself

never go to via Newark airport

I was stopped searched by a 20 year with semi automatic

looked trigger happy

Was first time I've ever been through Newark, not that they're any better in other airports. My wife's friend works in Milwaukee airport and she'll support your 'never use Newark' campaign xmoney.

Will say that the US immigration people in Dublin airport are completely different. Guess the Irish have rubbed off on them.

Do USCIS do immigration in Dublin? Didn't know that. I spent a couple of years in the Bahamas and US immigration
was in Nassau before you left. Obviously that is a lot closer tho

uber can't get a break


one of their drivers dropped killer off at school

the police went to this kids house about him 39 times over 4 years & he still got his hands on these weapons legally???

Yes, to your 00:49 post, NL.

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-connections/us-preclearance

treat them with respect as you would when visiting any other country and you wont have any problems
I worked there , industry and factory work, and after a couple of weeks I felt  that something was different and couldn't quite put my finger on what it was, and then I suddenly realised what it was
The people were nicer, nicer than the British and the Irish indeed

Other countries worldwide have mental health issues comparable with the USA but don't have these incidents due to stricter gun laws. The Florida gunman was able to legally purchase an AR-15 at 18 yrs of age but would have to wait another three to legally purchase a beer. Only in America.

The gun laws are madness in the modern world simply because there is such an epidemic, throughout the world, of mental illness

in the past people were separate from other people, now they are thrown together and they don't know who they are

Lfc talking sh1te as usual. The only American posting on this thread has said they have to go on a rudeness course before getting the gig. Now he was joking (a little) but many a true word spoken in jest etc.

Remember once there were payoffs in the place I was working and an older American man(some of the men, and one woman were into their 70s and still working)
came to me as he was leaving, very crestfallen, and said
"they've terminated me John"

:) the phrase always stated with me, he was` a nice guy

Its a sorry thing to see an older American man walking across the factory floor
and of course others still there, like myself, not American
Well it was a beautiful place to work

Open carry.....
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https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=769&ei=V7iGWtXGBIjeUcfelOAN&q=open+carry+guns&oq=guns+open&gs_l=img.1.1.0i8i30k1l2j0i24k1.5845.13594.0.19214.11.11.0.0.0.0.53.429.9.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..2.9.428.0..0.0.l8SehoqUyps

As usual it's all about the money and in this case how much the NRA bung to those in power.

The FBI admits it failed to act on a warning about Florida shooter Nikolas Cruz when informed about potentially dangerous behavior.
The warning came from a person close to Cruz on an anonymous FBI tipline warning about his possession of a gun, his disturbing social media posts, and his desire to kill people, according to the FBI.

The tip-off was delivered on January 5, 2018.

The information was not sent to the FBI Miami field office, which the FBI blamed on a failure to act under “established protocols.”

“We are still investigating the facts,” FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a statement. “I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter.”

Wray added that it was the FBI’s job to “act properly and quickly” when informed of troubling behavior by the public.

He expressed “regret” for the additional pain that the information would have for families and friends of those Cruz killed.

“All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”

FBI not doing its job.

The city with most murders is Chicago,

http://www.newsweek.com/chicago-homicide-shooting-crime-rate-644460

yet it`s gun control laws are amongst the very toughest,

www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555580598/fact-check-is-chicago-proof-that-gun-laws-don-t-work

but let`s not allow facts and truth have any bearing on a good old leftie knee-jerk virtue-signalling thread, eh, comrades?

FBI admitting `we were too slow to follow up leads` re Cruz.
Which translates as `we were too busy trying to frame The Don`.

Maybe you should actually read the links you post in their entirety before submitting them. That goes especially for your npr link, which even directly contradicts what you claim it reports.

Err, I did, and no it doesn`t

But it's not true that Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the country, as other fact checkers have also repeatedly found.

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Quibbling over exactly what part of the U.S. is No. 1 in terms of gun-law strictness, however, isn't the most compelling part of Sanders' statement. She also said that having gun regulations "certainly hasn't helped" in Chicago.

That's a much more controversial claim — and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

State lines don't stop guns

It's important to remember here that Chicago is very close to two states that have relatively weak gun laws: Wisconsin and Indiana. So while it's easy to pick on Chicago (or any other high-crime city) for its ugly statistics, says one expert, taking bordering states into account weakens this gun-advocacy talking point.

"It's not a scientific study. It's an anecdote," said Philip Cook, a professor of public policy studies at Duke University. "They might have pointed to Washington, D.C., back in the days when D.C. banned handguns and yet had high gun-violence rates. Those bans are only at best partially effective, because the borders are permeable."

D.C. borders Virginia, which does not have strong gun laws. (It gets a D from the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.)

Neither Wisconsin nor Indiana requires licenses or permits to purchase a gun, for example, nor do they require waiting periods. While Illinois has that B+ rating from the law center, Wisconsin has a C- and Indiana a D-.

And there's good evidence that being next-door to those states keeps Chicago criminals well-supplied with guns. A 2015 study of guns in Chicago, co-authored by Cook, found that more than 60 percent of new guns used in Chicago gang-related crimes and 31.6 percent used in non-gang-related crimes between 2009 and 2013 were bought in other states. Indiana was a particularly heavy supplier, providing nearly one-third of the gang guns and nearly one-fifth of the non-gang guns.

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All of this might suggest that criminals will just go to whatever lengths necessary get their hands on guns, regardless of whatever laws are in place.

But that's the wrong way to think about it, Cook said.

"No one's in a position to say that Chicago's various special regulations and Illinois's regulations are doing no good," he said, "because we don't know what the homicide rate would be in the absence of those.

taken directly from your link. You're welcome.

As we can all see, no contradiction at all, stop deflecting.

Illinkis does have some of the tighter regulations, fwiw. Not sure if Chicago has it's own rules.

https://www.inverse.com/article/37141-state-gun-law-maps

Erm, Illinois.

Wait till a black guy decides to waste a high school, then maybe the Trumpkins will think again on gun control..