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Shirley there are machines for hauling them nets full of cod across the deck in a force 10 injera? And women could always use smaller spades and shovels to do digging jobs. It would take longer, and therefore cost the customer more, but what can you do.
jamesdean, you do talk a lot of rubbish. I have just looked up the stats for the building industry and 99% of people on a building site are men.
In america only 1.3% of the workforce in building construction are women.
I suggest it is complete ignorance on your part to not acknowledge the fact that men and women should have equal opportunities in life, but you cannot get away from the fact that men and women have different aptitudes for different kinds of work.
In america only 1.3% of the workforce in building construction are women.
I suggest it is complete ignorance on your part to not acknowledge the fact that men and women should have equal opportunities in life, but you cannot get away from the fact that men and women have different aptitudes for different kinds of work.
annie.
29 Jan 18 20:31
Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 8,961 | Blogger: annie.'s blog
jamesdean, you do talk a lot of rubbish. I have just looked up the stats for the building industry and 99% of people on a building site are men.
In america only 1.3% of the workforce in building construction are women.
I suggest it is complete ignorance on your part to not acknowledge the fact that men and women should have equal opportunities in life, but you cannot get away from the fact that men and women have different aptitudes for different kinds of work.
Now come on, annie. If youre going to suggest I talk nonsense at least back it up with the truth and not lies.
Just because only 1% on building sites are women doesn't mean it's still a growing number now does it?
I'll explain it for you just in case...Where as 20 years ago there may have been 1/250 women to men on a building site it's now
1/100 and growing.
For your 2nd lie. Please re post where I have said anything but that men and women should have equal opportunities.
I think it's pretty clear to anyone reading this thread I've been a supporter of equal oppertunities from the getgo and have
agreed we play different roles. My point being that both are just as important ala highliting the nurses and care workers on the womens side etc
It's easy to say people are talking nonsense, backing it up with turths is a little harder...
29 Jan 18 20:31
Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 8,961 | Blogger: annie.'s blog
jamesdean, you do talk a lot of rubbish. I have just looked up the stats for the building industry and 99% of people on a building site are men.
In america only 1.3% of the workforce in building construction are women.
I suggest it is complete ignorance on your part to not acknowledge the fact that men and women should have equal opportunities in life, but you cannot get away from the fact that men and women have different aptitudes for different kinds of work.
Now come on, annie. If youre going to suggest I talk nonsense at least back it up with the truth and not lies.
Just because only 1% on building sites are women doesn't mean it's still a growing number now does it?
I'll explain it for you just in case...Where as 20 years ago there may have been 1/250 women to men on a building site it's now
1/100 and growing.
For your 2nd lie. Please re post where I have said anything but that men and women should have equal opportunities.
I think it's pretty clear to anyone reading this thread I've been a supporter of equal oppertunities from the getgo and have
agreed we play different roles. My point being that both are just as important ala highliting the nurses and care workers on the womens side etc
It's easy to say people are talking nonsense, backing it up with turths is a little harder...
plenty of women engineers,team leaders,project managers on big projects now,but whether your working for them or see them on docu,s on tv,instead of showing why women might be better at some of these rolls than men,they seem to go into macho mode balling,shouting ,effing and blinding,just aping their male counterparts,cant really see the point in that if people think women can bring other attributes to the rolls,there was talk of the crash not happening if more women were on boards,running companies etc
F1 grid girls gone now:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42890261
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42890261
Annies 1% of women in construction industry looking like utter bull over here in the UK.
Women to make up a quarter of the UK construction workforce by 2020
The rate at which women are embarking on careers in construction is at an all-time high with four times as many entering the industry now as they did five years ago.
They are expected to make up a quarter of all workers in UK construction by 2020 and will play an important part in counteracting the emerging skills gap.
More than a million extra workers are needed by 2020 to keep up with UK growth and build the necessary 300,000 new homes a year. Women are expected to account for a significant portion of that, many of them in senior roles. 82% in construction agree there is already a serious skills shortage and 72% say there is a mismatch between the availability of work and the capacity to keep up so there is plenty of opportunity for improving the gender imbalance.
Women could soon make up 50% of this new workforce and, with the majority of construction
firms now actively working to hire women, this could equate to an 80% female recruitment rate. In 2005, an overwhelming 79% of women reported their companies were doing nothing special to attract female workers. In 2015, this figure had dropped to 29% indicating a significant, positive change in workplace culture.
The industry has taken on board the gender disparity and, whilst the perception of a pay gap still exists with 41% of women believing men are paid more than them, attitudes have changed for the better. More than three-quarters of men believe they are paid equally and 42% of workers believe there will come a time when men and women are paid the same.
Women are still reporting discrimination purely because of their gender, showing there is ongoing work to be done in eradicating sexism. However, the number of women leaving the industry because of such discrimination is just 11% and an
overwhelming 94% believe they have got where they are through their own hard work, ability and expertise rather than any gender bias or female-only quotas.
30%
25%
20%
15%
10%
15%
16%
20%
26%
2005 2010 2015 2020
Women are expected to make up a quarter (26%) of the UK’s construction workforce by 2020
Significant progress made in encouraging women into construction over the last decade with the majority of women saying their employer actively encourages female recruitment
Companies must harness the power and skills of women to avoid a skills crisis within the construction industry
Pay packets rise 6% per year between 2005 and 2015 for women in the construction industry
However, perceptions surrounding equal pay still persist among women, with 41% believing they earn less than men
Proportion of female employees entering the construction industry in the UK
Source: Randstad 2015 Women in Construction Report
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Women filling more senior construction roles
The number of women in senior roles has leapt from 6% in 2005 to 16% and one in fourteen of those in senior management positions or directorships now earns more than £75,000. Another 2% earn over £100,000 a year.
Just 3% of women now occupy traditionally “female” roles such as secretarial or support, compared to 9% in 2005 with more women entering the profession in roles such as surveyors or construction managers.
However, despite the construction industry offering competitive pay, prospects and career advancement, awareness of these benefits is not as high as it could be. According to the 2016 Randstad Awards, a
large-scale survey of more than 7,500 UK adults into employer and industry attractiveness, construction doesn’t rate highly as a tempting profession to enter. No major construction firms ranked in the top 20 most attractive companies for either gender. For the numbers of women to increase, this corporate image therefore needs to change.
A third of workers believe more could be done to encourage women into those senior posts and an average of 34% feel a “glass ceiling” still stops many women from rising to the top. Overall, 77% of construction workers feel not enough is being done to address the skills gap and less than one in ten is actually undergoing
any formal on-the-job training. However, a third of workers felt women had as good a chance as men of getting a pay rise or promotion.
Outside of senior management, the position is more mixed. Female architects, who once accounted for 19% of all women in construction in 2005, now number just 10%. This is partly explained by the growth of female professionals in other sectors.
A similar position is seen with female quantity surveyors, down from 13% to 12%, despite high demand for the job.
Various campaigns are slowly helping to change awareness. Construction Youth launched its ‘Not Just for Boys’ campaign in September 2015, targeting young
people and focusing specifically on the misconception that construction careers are only for men.
The Construction Industry Training Board (CITB), whose board members are now predominantly female, is also working closely with the industry and educational establishments to change its problematic image and improve recruitment.
And UCATT, the UK’s only trade union specialising in construction, has been running a ‘Women Get Women’ recruitment campaign aimed at dramatically increasing its female construction worker members by its 2016 National Delegates Conference.
The times are a changing but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story..
Women to make up a quarter of the UK construction workforce by 2020
The rate at which women are embarking on careers in construction is at an all-time high with four times as many entering the industry now as they did five years ago.
They are expected to make up a quarter of all workers in UK construction by 2020 and will play an important part in counteracting the emerging skills gap.
More than a million extra workers are needed by 2020 to keep up with UK growth and build the necessary 300,000 new homes a year. Women are expected to account for a significant portion of that, many of them in senior roles. 82% in construction agree there is already a serious skills shortage and 72% say there is a mismatch between the availability of work and the capacity to keep up so there is plenty of opportunity for improving the gender imbalance.
Women could soon make up 50% of this new workforce and, with the majority of construction
firms now actively working to hire women, this could equate to an 80% female recruitment rate. In 2005, an overwhelming 79% of women reported their companies were doing nothing special to attract female workers. In 2015, this figure had dropped to 29% indicating a significant, positive change in workplace culture.
The industry has taken on board the gender disparity and, whilst the perception of a pay gap still exists with 41% of women believing men are paid more than them, attitudes have changed for the better. More than three-quarters of men believe they are paid equally and 42% of workers believe there will come a time when men and women are paid the same.
Women are still reporting discrimination purely because of their gender, showing there is ongoing work to be done in eradicating sexism. However, the number of women leaving the industry because of such discrimination is just 11% and an
overwhelming 94% believe they have got where they are through their own hard work, ability and expertise rather than any gender bias or female-only quotas.
30%
25%
20%
15%
10%
15%
16%
20%
26%
2005 2010 2015 2020
Women are expected to make up a quarter (26%) of the UK’s construction workforce by 2020
Significant progress made in encouraging women into construction over the last decade with the majority of women saying their employer actively encourages female recruitment
Companies must harness the power and skills of women to avoid a skills crisis within the construction industry
Pay packets rise 6% per year between 2005 and 2015 for women in the construction industry
However, perceptions surrounding equal pay still persist among women, with 41% believing they earn less than men
Proportion of female employees entering the construction industry in the UK
Source: Randstad 2015 Women in Construction Report
4
Women filling more senior construction roles
The number of women in senior roles has leapt from 6% in 2005 to 16% and one in fourteen of those in senior management positions or directorships now earns more than £75,000. Another 2% earn over £100,000 a year.
Just 3% of women now occupy traditionally “female” roles such as secretarial or support, compared to 9% in 2005 with more women entering the profession in roles such as surveyors or construction managers.
However, despite the construction industry offering competitive pay, prospects and career advancement, awareness of these benefits is not as high as it could be. According to the 2016 Randstad Awards, a
large-scale survey of more than 7,500 UK adults into employer and industry attractiveness, construction doesn’t rate highly as a tempting profession to enter. No major construction firms ranked in the top 20 most attractive companies for either gender. For the numbers of women to increase, this corporate image therefore needs to change.
A third of workers believe more could be done to encourage women into those senior posts and an average of 34% feel a “glass ceiling” still stops many women from rising to the top. Overall, 77% of construction workers feel not enough is being done to address the skills gap and less than one in ten is actually undergoing
any formal on-the-job training. However, a third of workers felt women had as good a chance as men of getting a pay rise or promotion.
Outside of senior management, the position is more mixed. Female architects, who once accounted for 19% of all women in construction in 2005, now number just 10%. This is partly explained by the growth of female professionals in other sectors.
A similar position is seen with female quantity surveyors, down from 13% to 12%, despite high demand for the job.
Various campaigns are slowly helping to change awareness. Construction Youth launched its ‘Not Just for Boys’ campaign in September 2015, targeting young
people and focusing specifically on the misconception that construction careers are only for men.
The Construction Industry Training Board (CITB), whose board members are now predominantly female, is also working closely with the industry and educational establishments to change its problematic image and improve recruitment.
And UCATT, the UK’s only trade union specialising in construction, has been running a ‘Women Get Women’ recruitment campaign aimed at dramatically increasing its female construction worker members by its 2016 National Delegates Conference.
The times are a changing but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story..
How many will be on the Tools ? It will be the usual malarkey of women getting the cushy jobs and being promoted into the office asap or they will be off on maternity leave.
do not under any circumstances go down to no10 and shout 'SHOE SALE' you will be flattened by the rush for the door ho ho
There's definitely a growing number on the tools and in the top jobs and rightly so.
Good luck to them
Good luck to them
sorry men are more suited to the difficult and technical subjects such as science and engineering and technology because they are more intelligent, they are also stupider too.
there is a reason that it is always someone like Bill Gates and Steve Wazniak who do something revolutionary in science and technology and engineering and other fields
there is a reason that it is always someone like Bill Gates and Steve Wazniak who do something revolutionary in science and technology and engineering and other fields
of course it is possible for most of us, men and women to do most jobs, but only up to a point
there are more intelligent men than women, and there are more stupid men than women
I am not particularly intelligent,i am not particularly stupid
I have at times thought that I might be a girl, but of course im not a real girl
I have at times thought that I might be a girl, but of course im not a real girl
mileva maric was very bright, maybe more so than we will ever realise.
start folk on a level playing field and you will get an even competition
start folk on a level playing field and you will get an even competition
you see steve wazniak and bill gates, had a certain natural ability, thousands indeed millions of others have had the same possibilities, men and women
you might as well say give myself or yourself the same level playing field as wazniak..
well guesswhat we had it
well guesswhat we had it
great men don great things, when they are young
almost always before the age of 30, to attract women
almost always before the age of 30, to attract women
great men don great things, when they are young
almost always before the age of 30, to attract women
almost always before the age of 30, to attract women
quite often after the age of 30 they never have another great idea
its merely evolution
its merely evolution
Donny I have explained, there are more stupid men than stupid women
I work on building sites all over the uk ,i rarely see women on the Tools , most are in health and safety , surveyors , in the office or romanian cleaners, i think this trend will continue as it has for the last 30 years imo
jamesdean 31 Jan 18 15:01
There's definitely a growing number on the tools and in the top jobs and rightly so.
Good luck to them
You never visit any sites then? I do, lots, and have yet to see a female builder on a building site in Yorks, sales staff only ime. There may be some but not even 1%. I used to see a small minority of women doing light joinery work at exhibition centres in Germany. I never saw any doing tools work at Earls Court or Excel, though I haven't been for 5 years or so
There's definitely a growing number on the tools and in the top jobs and rightly so.
Good luck to them
You never visit any sites then? I do, lots, and have yet to see a female builder on a building site in Yorks, sales staff only ime. There may be some but not even 1%. I used to see a small minority of women doing light joinery work at exhibition centres in Germany. I never saw any doing tools work at Earls Court or Excel, though I haven't been for 5 years or so
just in case I didn't make it clear, poorly phrased which may have confused Donny
when I said there are more intelligent men than women I meant more in numbers as well as intelligent
and more stupid men than stupid women I also meant more in numbers
when I said there are more intelligent men than women I meant more in numbers as well as intelligent
and more stupid men than stupid women I also meant more in numbers
of course there is the small problem that we are all becoming less intelligent
we are less intelligent than the victorians
we are less intelligent than the victorians
Are the stats I provided above lies then, saddo?
Are we to go on your personal experience in Yorks when speaking about the uk or better to have a guide to the whole of the uk?
Personally, I have seen lots of females on building sites compared to 20 years ago never mind 5.
That's the truth btw not just point scoring. 25% by 2020 does seem a bit much if being 100% honest but certainly a growing number
Are we to go on your personal experience in Yorks when speaking about the uk or better to have a guide to the whole of the uk?
Personally, I have seen lots of females on building sites compared to 20 years ago never mind 5.
That's the truth btw not just point scoring. 25% by 2020 does seem a bit much if being 100% honest but certainly a growing number
on building sites and construction and engineering men will always be better suited because of the physical and intellectual demands
the same applies to flying passenger aircraft, well there are numerous such jobs
Flying passenger aircraft? Come on, don't be silly
Hud carrying fair enough. Most jobs in construction bar labouring and brickies/huddys a woman could do as well as a man
giving the same training
Hud carrying fair enough. Most jobs in construction bar labouring and brickies/huddys a woman could do as well as a man
giving the same training
well you will have to understand, flying an aircraft is fine, until something goes wrong
you have to have an analytical mind, and sometimes physical strength to save the aircraft from disaster..those are traits of the male mind and body
you have to have an analytical mind, and sometimes physical strength to save the aircraft from disaster..those are traits of the male mind and body
in the past there was an engineer on every flight, imo this should de the case even now
they are good at solving problems and improvising, again male traits
they are good at solving problems and improvising, again male traits
Jamesdean, what trades were the lots of women doing on these sites?
There's definitely a growing number on the tools
I have worked on numerous building sites all over the country and have only ever seen one female 'on the tools' and she was an electrical engineer like me. Like already mentioned the women on the site I saw were cleaners (eastern European), in the sales office or the odd one in the site office.
I have worked on numerous building sites all over the country and have only ever seen one female 'on the tools' and she was an electrical engineer like me. Like already mentioned the women on the site I saw were cleaners (eastern European), in the sales office or the odd one in the site office.
I work with trees etc. Never will you see a woman in this kind of work and tobe honest they shouldn't come near it.
I see women gardeners who weed with trowels.
They NEVER cut hedges or erect fences etc. Rarely they mow.
Men and women are different. 'They' can force equality on women as a false dream for years to come. Guess what, it's false. Women will always choose different jobs according to their gender. And quite right too.
Freezing cold today. Horrid wind and rain. It was nasty. No wife or daughter of mine should be working in that.
I see women gardeners who weed with trowels.
They NEVER cut hedges or erect fences etc. Rarely they mow.
Men and women are different. 'They' can force equality on women as a false dream for years to come. Guess what, it's false. Women will always choose different jobs according to their gender. And quite right too.
Freezing cold today. Horrid wind and rain. It was nasty. No wife or daughter of mine should be working in that.
https://www.randstad.co.uk/women-in-work/women-in-the-uk-construction-industry-in-2016.pdf
Mostly joiners/carpenters and decorators with the odd plumber/heating engineer.
My other halves brother is a skills test lecturer at the local college and says the same that there's a growing number
of younger women 16-20 year olds enrolled in the classes in the CITB (CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY TRAINING BOARD)
His son is training to be a joiner and has 2 females in his college class, both employed by the local council.
4 weeks college 6 weeks on site for 2 years then 2 years on site fulltime.
Mostly joiners/carpenters and decorators with the odd plumber/heating engineer.
My other halves brother is a skills test lecturer at the local college and says the same that there's a growing number
of younger women 16-20 year olds enrolled in the classes in the CITB (CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY TRAINING BOARD)
His son is training to be a joiner and has 2 females in his college class, both employed by the local council.
4 weeks college 6 weeks on site for 2 years then 2 years on site fulltime.
Hows about letting your wife or daughter or any other woman do what job they choose, injera.
Bit ironic the thread strated off about these darts girls not getting the choice to do the job they choose
then saying they shouldn't be out in the cold working if it's their choice..
Bit ironic the thread strated off about these darts girls not getting the choice to do the job they choose
then saying they shouldn't be out in the cold working if it's their choice..
It should be a formality then for the Walk On Girls, Grid Girls, Boxing Girls to find good new jobs, given this alleged unstoppable landslide of women moving into the building game.
Agreed james. Women choose NOT to do most manual work. The attempt by aggresive feminists to turn women into men is misguided at best and stark raving mad at worst.
The liberals can push ekwality (sic) as much as they want. Aint happening. The genders differ and are
richer for it.
The liberals can push ekwality (sic) as much as they want. Aint happening. The genders differ and are
richer for it.
@jamesdean
Okay so there's a growing number enrolling in courses related to the construction industry, and good for them, but it doesn't necessarily equate to an influx of women appearing on building sites nationwide taking up the tools. As already stated by a number of posters(who have first hand experience of working on a site unlike you) there is miniscule evidence of women working on sites in the more physical roles so really am scratching my head wondering where you "have seen lots of females on building site" because it categorically is NOT the case.
Okay so there's a growing number enrolling in courses related to the construction industry, and good for them, but it doesn't necessarily equate to an influx of women appearing on building sites nationwide taking up the tools. As already stated by a number of posters(who have first hand experience of working on a site unlike you) there is miniscule evidence of women working on sites in the more physical roles so really am scratching my head wondering where you "have seen lots of females on building site" because it categorically is NOT the case.
He's read it somewhere, is my guess. There'll be lots of trades on here, none rushing to confirm james's version.
many of them in building trade doing all the lighter jobs then? but it boosts total numbers and looks good
Lots of women worked in heavy industry during WW2, making spitfires and ammo and all that. It's what people want to choose to do that counts
the worlds is fcked some of the girls on good money and want to do this going back to the victorian days
A friend of our family runs a small building film, inherited from his Dad and his Grandad before him. Still going strong too. My Dad used to run their office for them for around 20 years.
I'll phone the guy in the morning, or better still drop by their offices and ask him (a) how many women are currently doing outdoor/manual work for them, and (b) get a rough idea of how many have been doing so since 2000.
I'll phone the guy in the morning, or better still drop by their offices and ask him (a) how many women are currently doing outdoor/manual work for them, and (b) get a rough idea of how many have been doing so since 2000.
The South of England show won't be parading cows this year. A spokesman (sorry spokesperson) said it was udderly unacceptable to objectify cows in such a sexist way in 2018
Come to think of it, I might be a statistic too
For many years, before all the television shows let the general public into it, I suppose I was in the building game.
I used to buy run down but basically sound properties, do them up and add value and them sell at a lovely profit. So in effect I was a Project Manager I suppose. I hired the trades, told them what I wanted, designed the property and dealt with the local building inspector. There were no females in the trades I hired.
Oh, happy days - I never worked for years
For many years, before all the television shows let the general public into it, I suppose I was in the building game.
I used to buy run down but basically sound properties, do them up and add value and them sell at a lovely profit. So in effect I was a Project Manager I suppose. I hired the trades, told them what I wanted, designed the property and dealt with the local building inspector. There were no females in the trades I hired.
Oh, happy days - I never worked for years
Seriously annie I ask my missus is it that bad being a woman and had she had any negative experiences. She couldn't think of any and thinks it's al BS ! She I'd say years ago she worked in a pub and the locals would not move so she had to squeeze past them. They'd give a cheer and she'd laugh or tell em to fxxk off if they were ugly.............didn't leave her scared. I hate the direction this country is taking 
My partners Dad used to do it as well back in the day. Used to see the bank manager for a loan. And once he down the house up there'd be no estate agent. He used to write on the window "House for sale £4,000"
That price brings back memories.
My brother bought his first property when he was due to get married, he was in his twenties. He bought a house in Hampstead Garden Suburb in London, a really premier area, for £4000! My first property was a studio flat, which I converted to a one bedroom flat, for £5950! I sold it some years later for £44000!
My brother bought his first property when he was due to get married, he was in his twenties. He bought a house in Hampstead Garden Suburb in London, a really premier area, for £4000! My first property was a studio flat, which I converted to a one bedroom flat, for £5950! I sold it some years later for £44000!
I'm not sexist just after your money...............now if that's not PC I don't know what is !
Annie when I got married I bought a flat for £3800 (was a new construct) and still being built as I bought) a month before the big day.
Moved in and sold it within the year for £7500. Was in '71.
Moved in and sold it within the year for £7500. Was in '71.
Seems strange in modern times that some group is narrowing the jobs for women, i still cant work out who is really behind it all.
Our generation were so lucky, akabula, I pity the current generation in regard to buying their own place.
I first saw my flat in an estate agents window and was amazed at the price. Opposite the estate agents was a car showroom with cars at the same price - that wouldn't happen today normally! It turned out that the flat had been on sale for over a year as a previous sale had fallen through and they had not changed the price, when prices had shot up.
I first saw my flat in an estate agents window and was amazed at the price. Opposite the estate agents was a car showroom with cars at the same price - that wouldn't happen today normally! It turned out that the flat had been on sale for over a year as a previous sale had fallen through and they had not changed the price, when prices had shot up.
We all know that women can't do much more than look after the family, be nurses and carers and, well, be walk on girls.
They could never be engineers, mechanics and electricians. They can forget about being welders, moulders, riveters, machine operators in hot sweaty factories. They could never build munitions, aeroplanes, ships and tanks. As for flying forget that. Working the land is far too had a graft for the delicate little souls. Firefighting and operating Ack-Ack guns far too dangerous. Surely no woman has ever pointed a rifle in anger at anyone with intent. As for spies, or even operating a radio, then they are clearly not cut out for that as they don't have the bottle or brains.
Just remind me again what they did in WW2?
They could never be engineers, mechanics and electricians. They can forget about being welders, moulders, riveters, machine operators in hot sweaty factories. They could never build munitions, aeroplanes, ships and tanks. As for flying forget that. Working the land is far too had a graft for the delicate little souls. Firefighting and operating Ack-Ack guns far too dangerous. Surely no woman has ever pointed a rifle in anger at anyone with intent. As for spies, or even operating a radio, then they are clearly not cut out for that as they don't have the bottle or brains.
Just remind me again what they did in WW2?
complete nonsense. there were woman working in Bletchley park also, who designed the computers, who broke the enigma code
who invented the jet engine who invented and built the atomic bomb?
that's how wars are won
now after the war it was right that the men who had fought should get their jobs back,
after that, and now, women are free to apply for any job whatsoever on merit
who invented the jet engine who invented and built the atomic bomb?
that's how wars are won
now after the war it was right that the men who had fought should get their jobs back,
after that, and now, women are free to apply for any job whatsoever on merit
It's alarming the way women are being pushed into jobs they're not suited to. In NSW one test for a Fireman was to lug a 90kg dummy 20 metres. So many female applicants failed that they changed the test to dragging the mannequin 30kg for 10 metres. Who the fxck weighs 30kg? If they can't do the job then so be it. Find a job doing something else.
I have no delusions of male superiority over female. I've been married 30 years. My wife can attempt to undo the lid of a jar by her own brute strength,then hitting it with a knife,then running at under a hot tap and finally bringing it to me where I loosen it without missing a second of what I'm watching on TV.
We have twice renovated houses. I may be able to undo a jar with a grip of the fingers but she is the unrelenting machine that has worked so hard I've been in awe. While I've been all 'this is sh1t' 'I'm sick of this' 'I can't do this anymore' she just motors on shaming me into getting back to work. I think she has missed her time. She should have been a settler's wife in NSW in 1904 working seven days a week clearing trees and planting crops and raising sheep and shooting dingoes and cooking dinner and telling her whining kids to SHUT UP.
We each of us have our strengths and weakness,men and women that's what's so good about it.
I have no delusions of male superiority over female. I've been married 30 years. My wife can attempt to undo the lid of a jar by her own brute strength,then hitting it with a knife,then running at under a hot tap and finally bringing it to me where I loosen it without missing a second of what I'm watching on TV.
We have twice renovated houses. I may be able to undo a jar with a grip of the fingers but she is the unrelenting machine that has worked so hard I've been in awe. While I've been all 'this is sh1t' 'I'm sick of this' 'I can't do this anymore' she just motors on shaming me into getting back to work. I think she has missed her time. She should have been a settler's wife in NSW in 1904 working seven days a week clearing trees and planting crops and raising sheep and shooting dingoes and cooking dinner and telling her whining kids to SHUT UP.
We each of us have our strengths and weakness,men and women that's what's so good about it.
What a lovely post, KAMIKAZEE
It is so rare on here for a chit chatter to even talk about their wife or partner let alone praise her.
Totally agree about the firemen situation, I know what sex I would like to rescue me from a burning building.
It is so rare on here for a chit chatter to even talk about their wife or partner let alone praise her.
Totally agree about the firemen situation, I know what sex I would like to rescue me from a burning building.
I'm sure if you were in a building burning you would be happy to see any sex from the the fire service coming to rescue you tbf.
Thread has really got a bit pathetic now..
Thread has really got a bit pathetic now..
BBC and The luvvies would prefer to see Men with or Without the Schlonger dressed as women ..
If it was female fireperson coming to rescue a man , most men would be looking to carry he female out of the building,that's how stupid the policy is.
Any female in the fire service entering a building on fire to rescue people will be trained to the max to do so
or they wouldn't send them in in the first place. It's a ludicrous analogy.
or they wouldn't send them in in the first place. It's a ludicrous analogy.
It is perfectly understandable and I suspect many men would endorse that just because you dont have the intelligence or understanding to grasp that.
firefighting is not merely about strength, its about being able to look at situations logically and practically and quickly and with a certain type of intelligence
men are better suited to that also
men are better suited to that also
I have reservations about how well the London fireservicefulfilled their duties in the Grenfell tower disaster, but that's something that we may never know
that's a separate issue, although it may be related in that people refuse to see that some people are naturally suited to certain work
and no amount of training can change that
and no amount of training can change that
The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE 03 Feb 18 13:47
It's alarming the way women are being pushed into jobs they're not suited to. In NSW one test for a Fireman was to lug a 90kg dummy 20 metres. So many female applicants failed that they changed the test to dragging the mannequin 30kg for 10 metres. Who the fxck weighs 30kg? If they can't do the job then so be it. Find a job doing something else.
jamesdean may think they have a machine to do this kind of thing.
It's alarming the way women are being pushed into jobs they're not suited to. In NSW one test for a Fireman was to lug a 90kg dummy 20 metres. So many female applicants failed that they changed the test to dragging the mannequin 30kg for 10 metres. Who the fxck weighs 30kg? If they can't do the job then so be it. Find a job doing something else.
jamesdean may think they have a machine to do this kind of thing.
I take it these fine young women are also receiving severe condemnation, and will have to find another pastime?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4932480/Female-players-pose-naked-raunchy-calendars.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3956654/Now-S-rugby-strip-Female-players-lose-kit-naked-charity-sports-calendar.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3325562/Oxford-University-women-s-rugby-players-strip-ahead-Twickenham-debut-against-Cambridge-raise-money-charity.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4932480/Female-players-pose-naked-raunchy-calendars.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3956654/Now-S-rugby-strip-Female-players-lose-kit-naked-charity-sports-calendar.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3325562/Oxford-University-women-s-rugby-players-strip-ahead-Twickenham-debut-against-Cambridge-raise-money-charity.html
I actually think those pics are pretty crude and demeaning. Far too many arses.. Makes the Darts and F1 girls look elegant and demure.
All the hereos again. I'd take 1.01 that if any of you were in a building on fire you wouldn't be waiting
for a mans help if a woman from the fire service was first on the scene to rescue you.
And I'll say it one more time for treetop and saddo, the fire service would not have their women employees in that position
if they were not capable of the job. No doubt treetop does not have the intelligence to 'grasp that'
for a mans help if a woman from the fire service was first on the scene to rescue you.
And I'll say it one more time for treetop and saddo, the fire service would not have their women employees in that position
if they were not capable of the job. No doubt treetop does not have the intelligence to 'grasp that'
not talking about firefighters but imo theres deffo firms out there giving women jobs because they want to be seen as a modern company and not because their the best person for the job or can do the job,theres 20 every Saturday afternoon reporting on football for sky and the bbc for starters
I must admit that I do not like female commentators, they are just not as good as the men.
"I'm sure if you were in a building burning you would be happy to see any sex from the the fire service coming to rescue you tbf."
I'm fairly sure the test is designed to see if someone can remove an unconscious person from a burning building so you probably wouldn't know if you were being rescued or not.
I'm fairly sure the test is designed to see if someone can remove an unconscious person from a burning building so you probably wouldn't know if you were being rescued or not.
I'd rather be rescued by lady firefighters. please feel free to send them round. I'm not sexist, well I am but in favour of the women. Grid girl power!
I'm fairly sure the test is designed to see if someone can remove an unconscious person from a burning building so you probably wouldn't know if you were being rescued or not.
That's right because every single person rescued from a building burning will be unconscious by the time the fire brigade get there.
Seriously, the thread just gets worse.
That's right because every single person rescued from a building burning will be unconscious by the time the fire brigade get there.
Seriously, the thread just gets worse.
The test is to carry a 90kg dummy 20 metres. What do you think is the purpose of the test?
To see if they can carry a body weighing 90kg, conscious or unconscious.
Whew! I was getting worried there.
They need to look at removing inappropriately dressed women from adverts and also review things like the Diet Coke adverts.
The whole concept of 'sex sells' needs to be changed.
Anything that objectifies anyone should be banned.
The whole concept of 'sex sells' needs to be changed.
Anything that objectifies anyone should be banned.
Alive and well at Selhurst Park today.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5497445/grid-girls-crystal-palace-cheerleaders-defy-snowflake-pc-brigade/
COYP.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5497445/grid-girls-crystal-palace-cheerleaders-defy-snowflake-pc-brigade/
COYP.
Good for them! A small victory for common snese 
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