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22 Dec 17 13:48
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Was almost $20,000 a few days ago, stands at $12,300 right now, down 25% today alone.

With a stock market reduction of at least 20% coming next year and the Italian banks about to go pop where will be the safe haven?

Gold chaps, gold, as it always has been. And be sure to remember the golden rule about buying gold - if you can roll over in the middle of the night and touch it, then you own it,if you can't, you don't.

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By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 22 Dec 17 14:00
I suspect there will be some short/medium-term volatility in the price of Bitcoin before there is a sustained fall in its value.

It wouldn't surprise me if investors see this as an opportunity to pile in. Maybe institutions have sold and will now buy back cheaper.

That's just my gut feel; I don't know enough about this subject to make a cofident prediction.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole but I reckon it could go back up to $20k (and even higher) before the real crash happens.
By:
Burt06
When: 22 Dec 17 14:23
Gone to $10,300 now.Shocked
By:
Just Checking
When: 22 Dec 17 14:25
Now there IS something built on nothing that stinks to high heaven of a boom/bust bubble, wouldn't touch bitcoin at current prices with your bargepole!
By:
Just Checking
When: 22 Dec 17 14:27
I thought about buying gold before  .. not a lot, just a little gold bar I could stitch into a long coat if I need to escape because the nazis have invaded.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 22 Dec 17 14:46
Potentially, any currency can become worthless if people lose confidence in it. What is it? Notes, coins and mostly numbers on a computer screen.
By:
DStyle
When: 22 Dec 17 15:25
there is no worse feeling in in play betting than trying to put in a stop loss and not getting matched as the price keeps falling in the 5 second interval.

15 minutes is a much longer time to wait....

I can see that plenty of the bitcoin exchanges offer a sell limit, and you can a lot of people setting this very low if panic sets in, or not at all.

this where i see the real problem, because if it's very volatile and 15 minutes matters, people will go to futures market instead to hedge their position and then things get very very messy, very very quickly.
By:
saddo
When: 22 Dec 17 15:29
Laugh Many years ago I used to play traded options, the crack cocaine of share dealing.
By:
trilby22
When: 22 Dec 17 16:48
I buy my bullion from Bairds of London.

https://www.goldline.co.uk/

Entirely genuine and you won't find much better prices anywhere.

How come my Scotgold link got deleted?
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 22 Dec 17 16:57
Just the Bitcoin Boxing day sales starting early.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 22 Dec 17 18:24
Another merry Christmas for the professionals at the expense of the suckers.

You've got to admire their expertise, which shows how well they can manipulate markets without doing anything illegal.
By:
leazes67
When: 22 Dec 17 18:46
63% up on this time last month,I would call it a correction.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 22 Dec 17 19:28
13400 now off a high of 19000 plus in six days.

That's a crash!

It won't come back from that any time soon.

Massive volume looks to have stopped it and brought it back from 11160.
So it looks like the bottom was bought.
By:
bigH
When: 22 Dec 17 20:32
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I buy my bullion from Bairds of London.

https://www.goldline.co.uk/

same here - recommended.
By:
treetop
When: 22 Dec 17 21:29
When I read Richard Branson singing Bitcoin's praises it made me very sceptical,wanting others to pile in after his investments no doubt
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 23 Dec 17 06:46
I keep thinking that these cryptocurrencies are taking off partly because of a disbelief in fiat currencies.

Previously, people with these concerns would be piling into gold.

I have a feeling that, logically, gold should be much higher and suspect there is some market manipulation.
By:
trilby22
When: 23 Dec 17 08:01
I have a feeling that, logically, gold should be much higher and suspect there is some market manipulation. That is entirely correct Jack.

Nice one, bigH Grin
By:
trilby22
When: 23 Dec 17 08:03
There's always a good read with Jim ... https://www.jsmineset.com/
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 23 Dec 17 17:35
Look at the posters shilling gold. Where can I join this bandwagon - oh, trollby has kindly provided a link. Laugh

Not far off 2011 level, good luck getting your money back lads.
By:
Pokermonster
When: 23 Dec 17 17:46
Here's an eighteen carat gold pool ball. Merry Christmas, Ho, Ho, Ho!  :)


By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 23 Dec 17 18:54
With a stock market reduction of at least 20% coming next year

OMG, it's official. Burt says. Since the financial crisis, gold has underperformed the stock market to the extent that the stock market investor can now basically buy Burt's house as well.
By:
Lady Faye Verrit
When: 23 Dec 17 19:17
I was thinking, seriously about 'chucking in' a few 'bob' on the Bitcoin roundabout!

That, aside from the fact that the good days have probably gone!

What I really wanted to do was to also put up 'small' speculative amounts on a few other options, and just let them ride, unless there were chances to
significantly trade out along the way.

Someone said "it's not what you know, it's who you know" and never a truer word.

Spoke to someone I know who is a senior partner in a "wealth management" company with this 'snippet. to show the magnitude of his business.....

"The combination of strong gross inflows, positive investment returns and consistently strong fund retention rates has seen ** ***** ***** grow funds under management by 22% per annum over the past five years, rising to £85.7 billion at 30 September 2017".

Here is his advice to me.....

Guessing game really ******,

Super risky... no one has felt any real pain yet. But they will. For sure. This is not in question!

Bitcoin per se is not really fit for any real purpose and is out in my opinion outdated. It doesn't make sense that it is should not be worth more than other tokens that perform the job better. 

They are all a lottery/gamble and should not really be considered investment. A very real chance the whole market will fail to zero when better tech comes along. So only gamble what you can comfortably afford to completely loose.

I believe that ripple labs (though you'll have to settle for XRP token - not the same) is the only entity that has currently proven any practical use case. So I do hold some of these and some BCH for a laugh... but I've had a decent run so may sell up...

That said I'll probably hang on to a few XRP as the company behind them are credible and it's by far the best tech/speed/reliability etc currently (as far as I know). But I'd be happy to loose he lot and probably will! This is the key to this stuff

Also. Very challenging to trade this stuff and actually retrieve pounds and pence in any useful time scales.

Bottom line

They are all over priced... but could go further or to nothing... that's the way of these super speculative things.

Sorry I can't offer anything more positive!!

Cheers,
A
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 23 Dec 17 19:27
Wow, great advice.
Meet Burt, trollby and Lady Fav in the Aftertimers Arms over the festive season and buy them a drink.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 23 Dec 17 19:44
here's a Tory peer recommending Bitcoin

I posted this on her Twitter and was blocked


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-41188447/michelle-mone-you-cannot-ignore-bitcoin
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 27 Dec 17 18:22
Laugh

Scotgold! I want to live forever!

Laugh
By:
Burt06
When: 27 Dec 17 20:11
How is the thread 'wrong'? Are you so stupid you don't understand the meaning of the question mark in the thread title. Personally I couldn't give f*ck how Bitcoin performs as I am not involved in it at all.

Gold I am involved in and my view is stated. We shall see this year what is wrong and what isn't. Traditionally you have always been wrong, your most spectacular mistake been your absolute certainty about the referendum and your crying and betrayal of democracy ever since.

The majority know very well who is the wrong un here.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 27 Dec 17 20:15
When did you get involved with gold and why are asking others to back you up now, Burt?
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 27 Dec 17 20:18
We have a date of July 27 2016 for trilby - when Scotgold was valued at 97.5, compared to today's 26.5.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 27 Dec 17 20:21
Someone has appealed to the moderator again. That's all you need to know about this investment advice.
Caveat emptor.
By:
Burt06
When: 27 Dec 17 20:23
None of your business and GTFOOHYDC. LaughLaugh
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 27 Dec 17 20:24
Touched a loser nerve LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 27 Dec 17 20:46
The only thing Blert06 touches when he rolls over in the middle of the night is a cold wall.
By:
bigmo
When: 27 Dec 17 20:48
When the money men decide it's time to crash it will. Watch this space. I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 27 Dec 17 20:49
The only thing Blert06 touches when he rolls over in the middle of the night is a cold wall.

Cruel.
By:
Burt06
When: 27 Dec 17 21:14
Aye up, IDIEMYHAIRPINKE is on the scene. Still seething from doing his cobblers on the referendum.Grin I'm guessing when you and Biscuitbrain roll over in the night after touching each other you then feel the cardboard.

Don't worry, suckers - WE ARE STILL LEAVING THE BUILDINGCool

Learn to let your anger go and embrace the beautiful Brexit future.Cool
By:
Lady Faye Verrit
When: 03 Jan 18 19:37
Following encouragement from my son, who is in IT, and knowledge from two work colleagues (one of whom has, he says, has made it big time, over the last two years), and another who has turned £50 into £15,000.00, I registered, and pledged £122.00 to Ethereum, yesterday evening.

Today I received a warning that someone, with a German IP, had tried to log in to my account!

I blocked that, and upgraded my security but, today, my account has been wiped out!!!

Not due to market movement, as it has only been drifting a fiver or so, therefore my account has definitely been hacked!

That's me done on this, and will stick to what I've been good at since 2003 (well eventually since 2003)!
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 03 Jan 18 19:50
Sorry to hear that.  What method did you use of buying the stuff.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 06 Jan 18 22:40
Where was it you used Lady if you don't mind me asking? Had you stored your money in an account online or in a wallet and where did you buy from?
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 05 Feb 18 12:51
bitcoin down 7%
By:
Lady Faye Verrit
When: 08 Feb 18 15:47
I'm embarrassed to admit to my failings on "Crypto" and since my last admission I've lost big time!

I use "Blockchain" to request, and this gives me a code to enter into "Bittylicious", together with the coins I wish to buy, and the amount.

I had just over £2.5k in Ethereum and £42.00 in Bitcoin.

On my last login my account was instantly wiped out!

This is now several weeks ago, and Blockchain are useless when trying to communicate, because it takes weeks for them to come back to me, and
they completely fail to address the specific points of my asking!

There is a procedure whereby one is supposed to be able to recover lost coins by using a twelve saved words system that they say must
be kept safe and secure!

Unfortunately, when I went to "Recover Coins" they put up a totally different set of twelve words, which makes a mockery of saying to keep
the original ones secure!

I've increased my security to have, amongst other things, 2 stage login, but here is another problem in that, because there is sod all mobile service here,
by the time I get the code in a text, it has expired before I can use it.

As a result I've been unable to log in, for several weeks, and I need to "pair" my phone so I can have Google authentication from which I can have second
stage off line by using the app to scan a code.

It's a f***ing nightmare, to be honest, and the prices of Bitcoin, Ether and Ripple have been in free fall due to occurences in South Korea, and latterly, and worse still in China!

In December Bitcoin was trading at almost £17.5k and this morning was down to £5414.00....currently has rallied to £5914.00, but not happy days!

Could be that the warnings that the bubble will burst, is already happening!
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