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Rats, Cockroaches, Filth, Drugs, Violence, Exposed Wiring, Blocked Toilets. Wtf is going on? Governor replaced, that should fix it.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/16/prison-governor-is-removed-after-surprise-inspection-finds-filthy-conditions-7003990/
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/16/prison-governor-is-removed-after-surprise-inspection-finds-filthy-conditions-7003990/
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Why did they replace him?
Looks like he was doing a good job to me. |
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Violence in prison? Who could possibly have imagined such a thing? What a shock!
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Diddums.
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Well, at least we now know what doc and lybertyne think of our ex-servicemen who struggle when leaving the service.
A war veteran who suffered with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) following tours in Northern Ireland hanged himself at Walton jail. Bullying, debt and drug use at the jail worsened the conditions that led former army corporal John Duffey to take his own life almost 18 months ago, an inquest heard. The 44-year-old, who had previously served with the Royal Green Jackets, was found in his cell on July 16, 2016, on HMP Liverpool’s J Wing. Liverpool Coroner’s Court heard how dad-of-two Mr Duffey had made two attempts to kill himself in 2000 and 2011, and was discharged from the armed forces on medical grounds, 17 years ago. Afterwards, Mr Duffey, from Wallasey, fell into a pattern of alcohol and drug abuse. He was remanded into custody in 2015 for breaching his licence conditions, before he participated in an intensive six month scheme for “at-risk” prisoners. The jury heard evidence that healthcare staff within the prison were not equipped to provide treatment for PTSD due to staff vacancies. No attempts were made by the prison or healthcare team to contact Mr Duffey’s Merseycare support worker in the community, the court was told. The inquest was told how Mr Duffy fell into debt with other prisoners, which led to bullying and threats. The inquest heard how on several occasions he informed staff that he was being threatened for debts, and identified the other prisoners. In November 2015, he was found in his cell with self-inflicted cuts to his wrist and in possession of a ligature. He told prison officers that he had self-harmed due to his debt. Mr Duffey’s vulnerability was downgraded by HMP Liverpool staff, and he was given “valuable and trusted roles within the prison,” as a wing cleaner and in a temporary role assisting other troubled inmates. But, the inquest heard, he relapsed again into drug-use and started to get addicted to the drug spice which is widely available in UK jails. Last July, Mr Duffey was found hanged by his cell mate and died that evening at Aintree Hospital despite attempts to resuscitate him. Following a five day inquest at The Gerard Majella Courthouse, on Boundary Street, Kirkdale, a jury concluded that Mr Duffey intentionally killed himself due to his mental health issues. The panel ruled the mental health concerns were made worse by the bullying, debt and drug use. The jury also found that the lack of a PTSD specialist was a “missed opportunity”. Leanne Devine, solicitor for the family from Broudie, Jackson and Canter, said: “It is intolerable that inquest after inquest criticisms of HMP Liverpool have been identified by juries. “Despite this, there is no evidence of any changes being made to prevent future deaths. “Where there is a culture of denying there is a problem, then there will be no change. “We once again urge HMP Liverpool and the Prison Service as a whole to accept that this is a prison system in crisis.” A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said: “Our condolences are with John Duffey’s family and friends. “Every death in custody is a tragedy and we are redoubling our efforts to make prisons safe. This includes recruiting an extra 2,500 officers and increasing funding to improve prison safety and help reduce the number of self-inflicted deaths and incidents of self-harm. “All deaths in custody are fully investigated by the independent Prisons and Probation Ombudsman (PPO) and are subject to a Coroner’s inquest. We are addressing both the recommendations made by the PPO in this case.” |
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That's what happens when the prison system is too liberal and the inmates are effectively doing as they like without fear from the prison authorities , they have only to fear their fellow prisoners
That is the situation that led to this mans death and it will not be solved by focusing on blocked toilets or cockroaches |
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Despite that nonsense from pineapple the prison authorities should not fear to show itself as an oppressor of those sent to jail , they are there to do as they are told , they should not have drugs and they should not have money.
There should be work for 8 hrs a day , possibly 12 Do they work ? , well if not start them on unblocking the toilets and getting rid of the cockroaches , it's good for them |
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It's people like PP who are the problem in the first instance, for handling criminals with kid gloves.
Part of any punishment is to deter others from committing similar offences. So far fewer are committed. When the deterrent is removed or watered down to be ineffective, we have the situation we are in now. Where criminals laugh at the authorities. Take the man sent down yesterday for the acid attack. He showed no remorse whatsoever for his hideous crime. Or more importantly any fear of where he was to be taken to serve his sentence. He'll could be out to do it again in ten years, and even winked at his relatives as he was taken away. Well done PP, please explain to his victims why he should be out in ten years, when they have to suffer for the rest of their lives? |
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Blimey, looks like I misjudged you guys. Didn't have you down as being so anti-servicemen. Thought you'd be a bit more supportive of those risking life and limb for our country. Well, each to their own I suppose.
Suppose it's easier to just focus on punishment. Not on treatment. Not on education or rehabilitation. Just punishment. So what if the prisons are filthy crime-ridden hell holes where inmates get addicted to drugs and build up huge debts to gangsters so forcing them to commit more crimes on the outside to pay back under threats of violence. No, simply send them back for more of that same punishment which is obviously working so well. What's the problem, after all the governor of this kind of place is clearly "doing a good job". |
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If you want prisoners to be treated as **** when their inside don't be too shocked when they come out worse than they went in. Collins may well have been winking at his relatives as some act of bravado but I doubt he'll be winking at many of the cons when the reality of a 20 year sentence sets in.
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pineapple if the prison is filthy , make the prisoners clean it until it is clean it , if they are taking drugs add another 6 months to their sentence , if they cannot read and write teach them , and make all prisoners work at least 8 hrs a day
Do you know that in Japan primary school children have to clean the school classroom at the end of lessons , sweeping and polishing the floor and tidying up Very good . |
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See lfc, you can't help but confirm it. Your only answer is more punishment. That's it. Nothing else. And you wonder why with such blinkered, small minded thinking we're constantly seeing reports that our prisons are close to bursting.
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where did I mention punishment pineapple?
You'll be telling me next that someone like this maniac with the acid shouldn't be punished Well I disagree |
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Prisons never used to be full before we turned soft on offenders.
Perhaps if we had more prisons like the one at Liverpool, ex-cons wouldn't be so ready to return. |
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PP seems to take the view that if an ex-serviceman rapes someone or beats then half to death, then the law should go easy on him because he's served in the forces.
What an odd way to treat criminals. |
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Why would I be saying that lfc? You're just digging a bigger hole by being ridiculous now.
Doc - irony much? We've gone soft on offenders, therefore our prisons are now more full not less. Jesus, neither of you are making yourselves look great here you know. |
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they look great to me
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Typical PP, claiming victory as he's getting hammered.
He doesn't understand the word deterrent now. |
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porky is part of the problem
how do you think we have got to this mess in the system with the influence of that type of thinking. |
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Well moysey you're quite the judge obviously. Read any other books lately?
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porky is part of the problem
Absolutely. |
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When that door slams shut on you it feels awful. That removal of your liberty is one of the real effects of imprisonment and punishment.
However, the attempts at correction are pitiful. Another factor is can you change many years of behaviour and upbringing? It is very difficult and expensive with no guarantee of permanent change. A lot of those who end up in prison do not have a wonderful background/family life etc and there are far too many in jail who should not be there at all. Also once you have a criminal conviction you have one more reason why you become unemployable. Ever decreasing circle like being sucked down a whirlpool to the inevitable re-offending etc. |
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See moysey, that's where you're just a bit weird.
You have a pop at me and then post something which is more or less a re-write on here and is opposed to what your besties lfc and doc have posted. |
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Quite amazing that pineapple complains about prisons being filthy , and a sheer cheek of any prisoner to complain when the answer is obvious . Make the prisoners clean the prisons as part of their daily work schedule
If they do a bad job ? well they have only themselves to blame for that |
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a re write of what??
I type as I think. I don't prepare great researched missives. I claim no originality for anything I type but it is common knowledge. The system simply does not work. The children of today have little or no fear of punishment which has been brought about by your type of philosophical and practical leanings. I have watched it all change from both sides of the system. The punishment is not a great one and one that produces only a modicum of fear for a large number. It needs firming up so people fear it then once suitably dealt with once then has look for a carrot. But neither end of the spectrum marries up, works or makes much sense. |
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And forget about a persons background and upbringing and unemployment also
No one in Britain is poor and no one starves |
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spot on lfc
there is a need to tell the prisoners that you have done wrong and you are GOING to do this instead they run around trying to be nice to them first of all there is all this nonsense of locking up people all day etc any of that needs to be halted immediately they need to be working HARD occupying people etc |
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No English person should fear poverty , or living in the streets
Certainly not, so forget about any of that nonsense If they are in jail that's good , they won't starve there either |
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background is VERY important
you would not believe how some of the younger inmates have been treated or what they have had to live through once they get in to their 20s the behaviour is ingrained into their psyche. |
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A major problem is staffing - amounts of and type of person.
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no moisok background is not important simply because everyone in Britain has the same background . Of course all happy families are happy in the same way and all unhappy families unhappy in different ways as Tolstoy said it is genetics that are much more important
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Rats, Cockroaches, Filth, Drugs, Violence, Exposed Wiring, Blocked Toilets.
Could have left out the word prison in the title  |
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tolstoy is a novelist who also backtracked on some of that remarkably anyway
I believe he was much more influenced by religion Anyway, the nature/nurture debate rages to this day with far greater minds than ours leading it. it is possible to change many who may have some sort of innate self destruct attitude to life in many cases young people will be 'nurtured' to their place in life and their behaviour if you do not believe that people can change or be changed then I would worry about you |
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ps and yes you have the old 'revert to type' effect and yes of course it does happen
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There is nothing in those prison conditions that cannot be allieviated or stopped by introducing the measures I proposed
And perhaps this man would not not have taken his own life Well that doesn't seem to be of concern to the usual suspects |
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May your wives come forth with great fecundity and your camel herd increase your exchequer.
If you go in as one, or convert, you can have your own takeaways delivered. Plus you can always use the victim card - all us converts have one. |
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paul that's nawty!
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lfc
subject nature/nurture I could deliver cases unto you which would mince the mind to tiny tiny pieces trying to work out how someone came to commit an offence(s). You can be so certain of something(evidence behaviour prior to etc) and then be completely wrong. I know I have !!!! |
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ooze pawl?
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