Norn Eire Border

Donald would love 6 counties in the north of ireland as a USA base for refueling his bombers nice and close to everywhere.a little america right beside Europe.Any excuse will do him for a slice of the cake.

I wouldn't mind if England had a free trade agreement and free movement of people with America ,
And N Ireland as part of the UK of course also
That makes more sense than any freedom of movement and trade deal with Europe

The yanks are already moving in on the south side.

very good , why not . Every part of Britain and Ireland has more in common with America

All the big financial american companies are buying up property on both sides of the border,and droves of business's are moving from London to Ireland.They are called VULTURE FUNDS.once again the fat cats are on the move looking for their bowl of cream.

If companies move it leaves room for new companies or existing companies to grow .
move from London to Dublin ? Yes it might happen , that's ok
Something else will take their place

You know look at it this way , I feel how little people are missed when they leave a place of work
No matter how important they were , none are missed?
Well I thought that once and it surprised me , and I wasn't wrong either

ehmm,  some on here say UK has no desire to implement a hard border.  Please stop, just more silliness.  Mightn't want to, but impossible no to - (I know, I know - we didn't think this through either)

• Different customs union means a border (no example of anything else anywhere in the world)
• No border, so anyone in EU, can go to Ireland and walk into UK - not Ireland's responsibility or problem I would have thought

well I don't think we need to worry about the border, if they want to that's up to them

I mean if they don't want to listen to our good advice on the border there's not much we can do about that

you see at the minute anyone from the eu can go to Ireland and walk into any part of the UK
That's now , so I don't think we need to be too worried

We will now soon enough how the EU sees this issue. If the money has now been sorted, are we now able to move to the next stage? The Irish want assurances on the border, the EU have said they want the UK to provide clarification on the border. Will the EU move forward now or still dig in. We won't have long to wait to find out.

http://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-ireland-border-2-3721935-Nov2017/

Interesting take on things. One of lessons I learned in negotiating deals through the years, always appreciate and assess what the other side wanted out of the deal. It helped to form my own stance.

Always thought EU said 3 things need to be sorted. Paying our debts, Ireland and rights of EU citizens. We only seem to be a third of the way there and it's December in 2 days.

^^^^^^^^ when do ireland pay their 7 billion pound debt back to the uk?

TBB, I'd say when you give us back our land that ye took from us, and have benefited from for over 800 yrs the bill would be on the OTHER foot!

really, and who was it built Dublin , who brought the industry to Belfast
What was Ireland before Britain ?
I don't know, I can't remember and neither can you

Who educated the British only us Irish. Shaw, Joyce, Beckett, etc,I doubt there were too many British navvies shoveling cement in Dublin.Most of the British Landlords were too busy filling their big fat faces to be able to LIFT a shovel never mind USE one.....

workrider they wrote in ENGLISH , they read Shakespeare .
That's all you need to know

Was Bill not a Welshman ?. Off to Punchestown to see if I can find a horse to take to Cheltenham to give ye Brits another bashing . Talk soon mate. As an aside, we had a Queen called Maebh who used to invade Britain and take back prisoners .

: ) that was a long time ago, whatever happened 500 years ago doesn't bother me , I insist on being unbothered by that

Have a good day at Punchestown and good luck workrider

You know, even the banter here shows how similar the average Brit and the average Paddy is. Something to bear in mind over all this.

the irish ben played like a 2nd hand fiddle hear,banging the airwaves about this is to big a point not to be sorted before we move to trade, blah.blah just heard another on sky,but everyone no,s its all about the money and soon as the EU are happy with the money,the irish will be dragged in told what to do with the promise of a backhander at a later date, and some irish patsy will be put in front of the camera to tell the world what was far to big a problem to let go without a written agreement, will now be sorted later, all imo of course, but I,d say its 1,01

Don't know about that 1st time, hasn't the UK pledged 50 billion so far to simply leave?, for that what have they got?, zilch.
Why not play hardball? the problem cannot easily be solved,give the EU zero til it is,simples, not sure you can name the fiddler.

TheBetterBettor
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    29 Nov 17 09:13   

^^^^^^^^ when do ireland pay their 7 billion pound debt back to the uk? 

They have apparently with interest.

"and have benefited from for over 800 yrs"  ,I would say the last 50 years would not have been Much benefit tbh

Well 750 still massive ...

once the uk go it alone they will be the poor relations .Some people do not  get this point yet,and others will never realise it until it happens.as for the republic of ireland they will suffer seriously also.A BORDER WILL BRING BACK A WAR.(OTHERS DONT REALISE THIS)IT is a very serious situation and people should think what might happen .
I am not saying the troubles will start again but the possibilities are very much greater.And dont forget Scotland will want back into europe,. thats a cert !are the england people going to dole out half their wages on income tax each week to keep the BILLIONS going into Scotland that the EU give them each year.

There will be a bit of a hangover after Brexit.
London and Dublin will be ok, outlying areas not so much.

the financial section in london will move to Europe,and London is the pumping heart of england.When the finance section moves away ,the uk will suffer a mother and father of a recession that was never seen before.Everyone will blame the Tory party ,but its members will have abandoned ship and moved to live in europe.
leaving the poor to clean up the mighty mess.

workrider
TBB, I'd say when you give us back our land that ye took from us, and have benefited from for over 800 yrs the bill would be on the OTHER foot!

Hasn't every poll down south in the last 20 years shown that those wanting a united Ireland are in the minority.

not now, the irish will take a united ireland if Europe agree to buy it them.ireland will never be free until they get their missing son back.
there is a song called "four green fields"it explains the feelings of the southern irish people

No brassie, it explains the feelings of the person who wrote the song.
Last poll I read showed that at this time the majority of the ROI were content with the status quo.
Within that statistic will be some who favour a united Ireland but don't feel the time is right for the move.

What brassneck doesn't realise is that it is quite possible the majority of Irish people didn't want independence or to break up the UK of Britain and Ireland 100 years ago ..they weren't asked

And as can be seen by the millions of Irish prople who have come to live in England and other parts of the UK since this pretendy 'independence' 100 years ago ( including brassneck himself you might notice )they may well have voted to maintain the union

Well we will never know.

But it's a bit much for people like brassneck to gone on about Ireland's green fields when he is living in England
And it's a bit much to make an issue of the border in Ireland when living in England  and voting in a UK referendum

It doesn't matter what type of border there is after we leave the EU
It will still be there in whatever form and will remain until the people of N. Ireland no longer want to be part of the UK

When they wish to vote to leave the UK and firm a United Ireland they can VOTE to do so
What's wrong with that ? I don't know .

perhaps brassneck might explain , his head is full of all sorts of silly ideas and unreliable imaginings

How would you think the people of England would vote in a referendum regarding Northern Ireland LFc?

I would think they couldn't get rid of it fast enough myself.

It's not up to the people of England , it's the people of N. Ireland , isn't that good ?
I don't suppose you want the English to vote in a Scottish independence ref

As regards membership of the EU ?
Well people in Ireland , north and south , have a very privileged position
After Brexit they alone of all European countries will maintain the automatic right to live and work in Britain and Europe

They should, if they were sensible , keep as quiet as possible and hope nobody notices

No,it wasn't regarding EU membership. With your 08.32 post that isn't very democratic as it means no say despite it is where their tax money is going.

well no one likes to pay tax , I think we can all agree that

Build a wall and let the EU pay for it, that'll sort it.

Heard that idea somewhere before. Lol

Akabula, you been Scottish and having the English taxpayer pump billions into your Country must be a great comfort , ye want it both ways,didn't ye have a referendum awhile back giving ye the option of Independence,but ye got a cowardly result if I remember correctly.Cash is King I guess,can't have the Scots looking after themselves now can we,the might have to pay their own taxes,I'd hate to see the result! I'd say England would be choc a block in a week with ye ....

money rules the world , and doubtless also a little bit of love here and there

Oh yeah, love of one's Country should come before money surely. Money is a commodity, love is worth more!

workrider, akabula sees his country through light blue glasses not dark blue ones.

Dave...

Nov 30, 2017 -- 8:44AM, lfc1971 wrote:

As regards membership of the EU ? Well people in Ireland , north and south , have a very privileged position After Brexit they alone of all European countries will maintain the automatic right to live and work in Britain and Europe They should, if they were sensible , keep as quiet as possible and hope nobody notices

Good point. Shh!!

And the DUP confirms what everyone knew during the post election dithering - she doesn't have a mandate to govern

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dup-theresa-may-tory
-deal-ireland-border-brexit-irish-border-northern-ireland-a8085046.html

AFTER THE BOYNE ATHLONE AND AUKROME DYRE
RETREAT TO LIMERICK WAS MY ONLY PLAN
I HELD THE WALLS OF LIMERICK UNDER FIRE
SARSFIELD'S THE WORD AND
AND SARSFIELD'S THE MAN.

If the UK don't want a border and Ireland don't want a border, and it is only the EU that want a border, and, we are leaving the EU, whose problem is it other than the EU and Ireland's?

Not sure what point you were trying to make WR.

dave unaware of the facts regarding the voting in the Scottish referendum.
If it was as he seems to be implying based on something other than political and economic considerations then the result would have been a landslide in favour of the Union.

The Scottish Saltire which is flown over Holyrood consists of a white cross on a light blue background albeit there are instances elsewhere of the background being dark blue. HTH

^ Simply all because Arlene kicked off, that is your original excuse for your earlier drum banging on the 1st page.
Sick sheet of want want want,nothing ever changes, due a greatbig foook off and not before time,
Btw you are right Jack Hardshaw.

Any chance of that in English I don't do gaelic.

You are a Scot,why are so vocal concerning the Irish border? You must not have understood the question earlier in the thread or you went conviently "deaf".

Don't bother,f--- off back to your rangers thread.

My wife is Irish. And why so vocal?
Well having listened to her and her family who are still in Ireland I know that nobody wants a hard border.
The only point I've made is why are the ROI not putting the rest of the EU under pressure rather than trying to force the UK to go against the wishes of the majority here.
There are implications to staying in the Customs Union and Single Market, ie we have to sign up to other things as well.

My 21.34 post was clear enough,just maybe too close to the bone,you ridiculed it,the point on the first page you were screaming in unison with Arlene is no doubt correct.
If your wife is "Irish" wouldn't she want a united Ireland?

Be honest,correct label is British from the North of Ireland, poor effort really, fool yourself.

No point trying to debate with a hate filled bigot like yourself.
I can understand your frustration though. It must be hard to take that majority in both the north and south of Ireland wouldn't vote for a United Ireland if given the chance.

haha, you are the "hun", the usual throw mud,yeah some may stick but 1.01 i called it right,goodnight now.

So now it isn't Ireland(first few posts),the UK or Europe but the DUP, what a surprise.

now , now  N Ireland will not be bullied by the EU and the republic

Quite right

It's always the same with those darn flat-earthers.

If the loyalists manage to scupper any deal by May with the EU they will be doing us all a great service

I think that's fair to say

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As regards membership of the EU ?
Well people in Ireland , north and south , have a very privileged position
After Brexit they alone of all European countries will maintain the automatic right to live and work in Britain and Europe

They should, if they were sensible , keep as quiet as possible and hope nobody notices

Correct me if I am wrong, I frequently am.

"People who are citizens of the United Kingdom (UK) are entitled to live in Ireland without any conditions or restrictions.
Unlike the citizens of other countries, they are not subject to the Aliens Act 1935 or to any orders made under it.
This means that a UK citizen does not need a visa, any form of residence permit or employment permit in Ireland.
They are entitled to move to Ireland from any country and they may move to Ireland to work or to retire.
Unlike other EU citizens, UK citizens may retire to Ireland without having to establish that they have sufficient resources or that they have private health insurance."

You are correct  lfc1971. Unfortunately  a few "tribes"  are not going to be happy in the long run

1. Hard Brexiteers:  If DUP scupper a deal.......then its "no deal" with EU (not going to happen) - it's UK to remain in CU and / or SM

2. Scottish Nationalists - like myself - if UK remains on CU / SM then no Scottish impetus to break away


Remainers will probably live with it. Ireland will be delighted. DUP relieved after the nearly calamitous own goal.


(on another thread - its a comedy of unintended circumstances all round).

Yes.  It means the Unionists have cancelled the Brexit vote of the UK.

An well kincsem let me explain as simply as possibly

What Ireland does and who it lets into its country is of no concern to me
That's for Ireland to decide
And it's for Britain to decide who it lets come here
In my opinion when the rep voted for independence 100 years ago it should have lost the automatic rights of British citizens
That's what it means when you want 'independence' And also as a member of the EU should now lose those rights following Brexit

Does that make it any clearer to you ?

no ? thought not

Sorry lfc1971
I don't spend all my day on the Betfair Forum.

That is probably what your "no ? thought not" comment meant.  You expected an immediate response to your post.
You do not have to explain things to me "as simply as possible"
That implies that you are more educated, more informed, and more intelligent.

You said
"Well people in Ireland , north and south , have a very privileged position
After Brexit they alone of all European countries will maintain the automatic right to live and work in Britain and Europe "

British people have the right to work in Ireland (in the EU).
Perhaps the people in the UK have the bigger privilege of working in Ireland, a country with a higher GDP than the UK?
I had the right to work in the UK throughout my working life, and worked outside Ireland for a few years but the UK never attracted me.

I think your use of Europe might mean the EU but I can not be certain what some of your posts are saying.

kincsem , I will have to explain again .try and read slowly and understand

I didn't expect an immediate response , I expected a response that showed you didn't understand
It had nothing to do with when you might or might not respond
Now is that clear enough ?

As to you not understanding what I meant by the fact that Ireland alone of all European countries will maintain the automatic right to live in both Britain and Europe ?
Well I don't believe you don't understand what is meant by that
There is no point in talking nonsense about Ireland being a European country , so is Britain  for that matter , so what?

It is just that sort of dishonesty that is worse than not understanding , so don't try and pull that one
I'm not filed by that sort of rubbish

Now I am not interested in Ireland's GDP, that is a meaningless figure
That is fine and good . If Ireland is so wonderful and talented I am sure they will have no need to come to Britain to live and work
And we will soon be hearing about the kingdom of Ireland
Very good

Now if you can not at least try to be honest we are not going to get very much further

.@Peston says May will go to Cabinet tomorrow and call for ministers to back regulatory alignment for the whole of the entire UK.

That at least would be acceptable to the unionists , on that narrow but fundamental point of maintaining the integrity if the UK
Whether it is a good thing is a different question

We will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separates Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the United Kingdom.
Arlene Foster.

What's wrong with that stance?

The thread was born in regards Irelands hard stance over a free border, you know who ye are on the thread,and all because Arlene kicked off,it appears as was stated Ireland wanted a soft border along with the UK EU and the dup,now the dup have changed their mind,were they so thick stupid that they couldn't see the point that there would be a slightly different demograph then the rest of the Uk?
It wouldn't surprise me given Arlenes record with the green scheme.

Apologies to Leo and Simon wouldn't go amiss on this thread.

Arlene Foster is horrible nasty bigoted weapon. A bit like some of the uneducated pond life on here

There are those who, lacking a coherent argument, resort to personal abuse.
The DUP and their supporters wish to remain full citizens of the United Kingdom. There is nothing wrong with that.

Northern Ireland Assembly Election
Democratic Unionist Party 28.1%
Sinn Féin 27.9%
Ulster Unionist Party 12.9%
SDLP 11.9%
Alliance Party 9.1%
OTHERS 10.2%

Northern Ireland - in the EU Referendum vote
Remain 56%
Brexit 44%

The vote of someone in N Ireland is not more important than my vote in England

General Election Results - Northern Ireland
Democratic Unionist Party 10 seats   
Sinn Fein 7 seats    
Social Democratic & Labour Party 0   
Ulster Unionist Party 0
Alliance Party    0
Green Party 0   
Traditional Unionist Voice    0   
Others    1

And that includes Scotland and Wales while we mention it . The vote of someobebin Scotland is not more important than my vote in England

That's a very good show by the DUP

Why should someone vote in N Ireland be more...or for that matter less important than mine

Well if course it shouldn't

If they have the cheek to vote in a U.K. referendum then they will have to accept that simple principle

Some people might not like to accept the result , but of course that's democracy
it's too bad

DUP
The Democratic Unionist Party assert that "Irish and Gaelic culture should not be allowed in Northern Ireland, and have blocked proposed laws that would promote and protect the Irish language.
The party is also a as right-wing populist containing extremist tendencies. The party has historic links with the far right in Northern Ireland and is linked to the Ulster loyalist faction of unionism.The DUP was also recently endorsed in the 2017 UK general election by the Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group of loyalist paramilitary groups, which are proscribed terrorist organisations.

In foreign policy the DUP "takes a staunchly pro-Israel line"

The DUP has opposed LGBT rights in Northern Ireland. Party leaders—as well as many prominent party members—have condemned homosexuality, and a 2014 survey found that two-thirds of party members believe homosexuality is wrong.The DUP campaigned against the legalisation of homosexual acts in Northern Ireland through the "Save Ulster from Sodomy" campaign between 1977 and 1982, and the party has vetoed the legalisation of same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland since 2015, making Northern Ireland the only region of the UK where same-sex marriage is not legalised.

They are not in line with all UK law - cherry picking by them

So what ? that doesn't bother me, I insist on being unbothered by that

If people want to learn Irish that's fine and good , if they want to waste their time that's ok of course
Don't expect me to pay for it

Once you take part in a vote you are duty bound , and on your honour , to accept the result of that vote

Extremely Soft Brexit 10/11
Hard Brexit 5/2

That's the two choices now

That's correct lfc, and for those who didn't vote, they've chosen to go along with the majority.
So their votes should go to the wining side.

If non-voters claim that they didn't vote for the result that emerged, then why didn't they vote for the losing side?

This business of assuming that non voters are not happy with the result of an election is nonsense.
If they oppose the result then why didn't they vote?