5 Year Olds to be taught about Gay Marriage

Children should only be taught normal things at school.

Exactly, Akabula. That's why they are now going to be taught about same sex marriage.

Normal? It's a bit niche imo.

Normal? It's a bit niche imo.

Injera, if you are all for universal kindness and respect, what are you afraid of if children are not taught, unlike in previous times, that people in same sex relationships are not abominations? Children shouldn't be ruined by us adults indoctrinating them with hatred towards people for no other reason than God having created them in a way that makes them love other consenting adults of the same sex.

In previous times it was illegal.

Always remember: If you preach hate at the service, the holy water gets poisoned.

It's a very dangerous at that age, a form of child cruelty which can do great harm .

No such thing as holy water. Just another invention by people who want to control others.

It is why today's society is becoming so violent , increasingly with the themes of tv and films and computer games and internet.

great harm by teaching children kindness and respect instead of indoctrinating them with hatred?

hatred based on some contemporary figures from a very long time ago putting words into The Lord's mouth.

I'm absolutely appalled by this story. Is it some sort of hoax or a joke of the worst possible taste? I find it almost impossible to believe that anybody would support such a dangerous and morally disgusting policy, it is wholly repugnant.

edy the school should not be teaching that, that is what a primary school should be .
It should be kind and safe and fairly strict but caring too..

That is how children learn and there is no other way to teach them.

I don't mind them myself edy, though I would not presume to tell anyone who finds homosexual practices disgusting that they have have no right to their thoughts.

Of course they have a right to their opinion, saddo. At the same time everybody else has the right to think they're big time uncool and go against the most basic, most important teachings of Christ.

I might have a bit of an image of being anti-Christian on here, I don't know. I'm not against Christianity at all. It is a wonderful thing in itself. What I have always had a problem with are certain organised churches that have fostered and created so much hatred and murder against every teaching. Along with people that besmirch the true religion of peace and kindness by picking one part of the bible that just so suits the purpose of their hateful natures and let that override the real, central teaching of Christianity that is one of kindness and compassion towards your fellow humans.

Kindness and compassion are fine edy but that still does not mean that we have to accept everything that is put in front of us.

You are absolutely right there. Not everything should be accepted. At some point you need to withdraw your own kindness and compassion if the other person keeps showing hatred towards you or other people.

That's ok as long as it is done with moderation and common sense , that's how we do things in England and the Church of England religion is different from those   in other countries, thank god .

You keep saying hatred. Where is the hared on here or are you saying become someone disagrees with something they are guilty of hatred?

you see edy might have a certain way of reading gods mind , but as far as I know god does not speak.

As far as homosexual relationships are concerned however, I have a hard time to find reasons why some cherry picked parts of the bible, mostly the old testament even, should be more important than the central message of Christianity, and what our societies should be about, whether you're Christian or atheist.

ah , there he goes again . He is going to claim that people who do not want primary age children taught about these things are hateful and may do damage ...
But then again they may be merely worried and cincerned. about the shameless liberal agenda that could be so dangerous  , and when we see the world today , who is not worried about preachers like edy.

There is an increasing tendency to label any dislike or distaste of something as hateful. It cannot be helpful.

What do you think the central message of Christianity is edy?
Love to all?
Does that have any exclusions?
Or is forgiveness no matter what they do?

What is so dangerous about a child seeing John & Joe hold hands and thinking

a) meh...ok...hey Steven, let's keep playing hide&seek.

instead of

b) My eyes! They're an abomination! Burn them!

? I'm all ears for you, lfc, to tell me why that would be so dangerous.

saddo and akabula...I think history is on my side here if I say homosexuality has traditionally received its amount of hatred, and not just indifference to mild dislike.

Proved by that post you either accept without reservation or it's hatred.

I didn't just mean homosexuality edy, people use the hate word whenever someone disagrees with them these days.

"meh...ok" sounds like an expression of mild reservation by the child, akabula, doesn't it?

let's not drift too much and allow lfc to explain why it would be so dangerous, ok?

Well you don't seem to be listening .
Where have I said that I am against homosexuality?
I am not .
What I am saying is that it is very dangerous to teach certain things and primary school ,
we have to be very cautious , we don't make young people kind by that sort of nonsense
They have to have a school when they are young that concentrates on learning maths and English etc and at the same time is a kind and good environment.
That is what gives young people a chance.

Just the other day you told me education isn't important, that nobody really needs schools and especially school funding is vastly overrated.

Let's not focus on that little detail too much though. What makes it dangerous to teach small children that it's ok if Sue&Sarah hold hands? Are they gonna explode or something? In what way would something so simple ruin their little souls?

In what way would it turn school into an unsafe environment?

and don't you say it takes too much time away from maths and English. It's not going to be its own subject with hours and hours of lessons. It's going to be incorporated into books and stuff. Children are going to learn acceptance of homosexuality and reading at the same time! How awesome is that, buddy?

That's what I call efficiency, dude. Not just kids wasting their vital time by reading nonsense stories about completely irrelevant things. No no, learning multiple vital skills simultaneously.

You think everyone who is forced to accept it will actually embrace it edy?

Peter Thatchel and His cronies will be delighted

edy I never said anything like that about education, I said that education plays a surprisingly small part in the economic wellbeing of a nation ,
I said that the vast majority of universities should  be closed down , ok I was joking , but only a little.
I do think that nearly all should be closed down
Ok these are totally irrelevant , we are not talking about making our young people better or kinder by preaching liberal dogma , it won't work ,
The school and its teachers and it pupils be the book.

No, there are other factors at play, saddo. Children are pure. There is no automatic dislike of homosexuality in them. At some point most are trained and manipulated by adults to believe stupid ****, form stereotypes, dislikes, in some cases still, thankfully they're getting rarer and rarer, outright hatred.

In that way I find it problematic to speak of "forcing to accept" homosexuality. Accepting homosexuality is the default state of mind in a child. The "forcing" label, I'd call it ruining a pure soul myself, would be much better suited for a child developing a dislike or reservation towards it.

you cannot preach this thing if you want goodness and kindness
The school itself and teachers and pupils must be the book .

though they don't see it as homosexuality obviously. They just see it as two adult mates holding hands (until some adult comes in and tells them it's wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong)

You still haven't answered why it's very dangerous, lfc. If you don't know the answer, just say so instead of blabbering around.

Can you Imagine a Little girl being adopted by two men ,shirley the Lack of a Vag in sight must be Confusing ??

Really cannot understand how same same sex couples are allowed to Adopt ,Little kids must be totally confused ?

Fostering Older children say 7 plus I can understand and the Kid might have a better Idea WTF is going on ..

What about they are teaching Kids and some of the 7 year olds say NO thats wrong I dont want to marry a man

Men and Womaen should marry ,What happens Then ?

I don't trust the abilities or the aims or the judgement or the care or the kindness or the goodness ...
if the people who would be teaching at that young age .
I don't believe that they are qualified to do so beyond teaching maths or English etc
I do not want these people to start indoctrinating anyone with their beliefs or ideas
That is why I think it is dangerous.

I don't trust the type of people they are, rhey would be prepared to follow any dogma  if it suited their overall beliefs ...well I don't trust their overall beliefs , it's that simple.

Why not?

Spot On

I think it's dangerous too.
Teaching this and all the different gender categories is a step too far.
The norm ,is that we have 2 sexes, male and female, and they get married and have children.
Being gay or having a sexuality other than male or female is complicating things for kids.
Anything out of the norm should be learned through life experiences in the same manner that has served us for hundreds of years.

Also, do I understand you correctly that if they left out the other stuff of their supposed dogma and only have 'The Sissy Duckling' and similar works that would not be dangerous in your mind?

Or is that in itself also already very dangerous, lfc. If so, why? Clear answer please instead of blabbering around and evading the real question like you tend to do.

Shouldn't you welcome the overall liberal dogma of creating washed up, soft sissy snowflakes anyway? It wasn't for the first time that you complained about violence today.

Is there any  Need to let 5 year olds Know that is ok to Marry a person of the Opposite Sex ?? Cant remember anyone telling me that at School ,So why bring any marriage up Yet alone Gay marriage ,absolutely no Need for it ,Or is there problems arising by Same sex Couples turning up to pick their Children up ...

I can understand why some people see this as part of a Marxist plan to bring down Western civilization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aUqr7-Cgt8&index=36&list=LLb1e00RIqs_NyG1ZN...

It is quite the opposite, pxb. Broad acceptance of homosexuality is a key to our future success. Not only does it allow us to use their talent (imagine Alan Turing not being driven towards suicide by how the country treated him), there are other positive things too.

Just recently it was rightly pointed out by Injera that there are far too many people around. Now imagine people broadly being allowed to live happily ever after in same sex marriages instead of being forced into unhappy opposite sex marriages with five kids by societal pressure. Problem solved, partly at least. Another very important part of controlling population numbers would be contraception and abortion.

With that in mind, today we all celebrate 500 years of the Martin Luther starting the protestant revolution that paved the way for freeing ourselves and living out Christianity between ourselves and God, without the need for a corrupt church. We have a lot to the thankful to the German.

Homosexuality is something of an evolutionary puzzle. On the face of it, it should be eliminated from the gene pool in one generation, but it persists.

Probably the reason is in our tribal and even more distant past, where homosexuality meant beta males didn't get into conflict with breeding, usually first born, alpha males.

However, advocating homosexuality is promoting societal suicide, as by definition same sex couples can't produce offspring, and thus are eliminated from the gene pool.

And for this reason, quite a few people people think this and other Leftist silliness is in fact a good thing.

You have to have difference to be creative , it is a balance between a good and well ordered society and individual rights and freedoms. After all Alan Turing lived in the 40s and 50s , in England
That is the society that produced him , who are we producing now ?
I don't know .

You have to understand why are men creative , it is because of the subconscious need to attract women and have sex and reproduce ,
This is the unseen driving force behind men , even men such as Turing  because the same much older genetic imprint is there with everyone.
So the balance has to be there .

edy mentions abortion , well it shows the warped values of the liberal mindset if it should think that over 6 million abortions in Britain since it was legalised in the 60s is some form of progress .
It might be seen as something shocking and worse by people liking back in the future in these 'liberal' values.

Van Gogh understood this link between creativity and sex, he would stop visiting prostitutes for a period of time to allow him to be  more creative , he mentioned this in one of his letters .

But of course he may have taken things too far and it sent him mad : )

This kind of thing always has unintended and unforeseen consequences, some of which are detrimental to the very people you're trying to protect.

e.g. you are highlighting this particular difference between people, and kids tend to pick on differences in other kids. They could be picked on for having red hair, certain disabilities, speech impediments, etc.

I guess what I'm saying is you could be setting kids affected by homosexual relationships up for being bullied by highlighting the issue, and then how do you then deal with the kids doing the bullying? Harsh punishment? What psychological effect will that have on that child? And eventually on society as a whole?

An estimated one-quarter of all black swans pairings are of homosexual males. They steal nests, or form temporary threesomes with females to obtain eggs, driving away the female after she lays the eggs.

I'm not quite sure how Mrs May's policy is going to work in Muslim Faith schools. 

These kinds of things shall not apply to the peace loving ones, since it would displease them greatly.

It would be good to hear about gay marriage. I wonder if it is give and take like heterosexual marriage?

Crisp.

Bonkers policy but would not surprise me the way things are going.

what I'm looking forward to seeing is exactly how they'll enforce it with the muzzles. I've got my popcorn at the ready to see that one play out

"Parents who object to primary school age children being taught about homosexual relationships, including same-sex marriage, or transsexualism will not be allowed to withdraw their children from class under current legislation".


Unless they are Muslim!

Whoops!!!

Read back but missed Platini!   

edy - sorry for being so slow to get back to you. Work gets in the way of my chit chat!

I think most people have sexual boundaries that they won't cross or believe society as a whole shouldn't cross.

Sex with a child
Sex with a relative
Sex with an animal.
Sex with a dead person.

We can probably agree on these 3 and they're currently illegal too.

Others have become more arbitary:

Adultery
Sex out of marriage
Anal intercourse between 2 men
2 women doing whatever they do

People would argue on the above as to what is right and wrong and of course these ones are legal though not totally accepted as being morally right.

Then there are wider societal issues:

Kids born out of wedlock (remember that phrase!!??)
Kids born as a result of casual sex or brief fling and and now an absent father ( a MASSIVE problem).
Gay men/women in sexual relationships.
Bisexuals mixing it up.
Gays adopting kids and marrying.

All of these are legal, though again, not totally accepted as being good for society.

Love and tolerance should never be confused with setting out a blueprint for society. That 'Plan A' will discourage certain lifestyles, behaviour and choices in favour of others for the overrall benefit of all.

That's not hate.

The fact that the first list contains illegal behaviour shows that tolerance does not extend to everyone. Boundaries are there for a reason.

Imagine the devasting affect on families if incest became legal and promoted in schools as normal. Brothers dating sisters, splitting up and not comminicating ever again. Fathers attracted to their daughters or sons....yuk.

what you find to be repulsive may be acceptable to others

if it isnt illegal, and not involving yourself, why would it bother you?



if schools teach tolerance it is still within your remit to teach your kids that you
find something unacceptable

there are plenty of other sexual acts you missed out that others enjoy that the
majority will frown upon. its your choice what opinions you attempt to pass on
to your kids.

plenty of gay kids go home to tell parents they are gay and plenty of homophobic
parents find tolerance to accept their kids, of course they do not have to.

'if it isnt illegal, and not involving yourself, why would it bother you?'

donny - polygamy could soon be legal to appease Muslims and bisexuals. Would that bother you?

Are you bothered for your grandchildren and their grandchildren?

its not legal....

no point jumping the gun, and  folk dont need to be married to father multiple kids anyway

some see serial womanisers as normal, french blokes will often keep a mistress and nothing
much is said.

not my cup of tea despite my user name !

....married to multiple women...

if my grandson's grandson turned out to be gay, i would hope his family
would accept him without prejudice

With respect you need to look ahead.

Polygamy next. Incest after that.

Anyway if we take our morality from what is legal we're being led. I couldn't give a toss what is legal or not. I'll make my own mind up.

that's fair enough injera

i dont see those becoming legal in this country,

you mentioned what was and wasnt and is and isnt legal, i merely
commented

good morals are never a bad thing,

Kids born as a result of casual sex or brief fling and and now an absent father ( a MASSIVE problem).

yeah, men absolutely need to be raised better. Has nothing to do with the topic though. If someone's gay, he's gay. Why should we make their lives miserable on purpose? Consenting adults having consenting love relationships with each other don't hurt us or society. Someone who is straight and would be the perfect father in a perfect family isn't suddenly going to go "blimey, gay people are accepted now. I'm really straight and would love to have a family with the woman of my dreams but I'm gonna be gay instead now! I want to feel that big penis in my butt until it bleeds all over, baby!". Sounds silly, right? That's because it is.

I am really sorry, but I do not understand why the particular lifestyle of same sex relationships should be discouraged to "protect our societies". How have we in the past and how is our society going to reap an overall benefit in the future from excluding this reasonably sized crowd of mostly perfectly decent people, many of them productive, creative, smart minds, from being accepted members of our societies?

Also, bringing up the hypothetical legalisation of incest as a reason of why something gay relationships should be discouraged is....let's be nice and call it questionable.

It should be the function of the educational system to EDUCATE, NOT to INDOCTRINATE. If people want to sin, they are free in today's society to sin. The law allows them to do that. But to indoctrinate small children to sin regardless of the wishes of their parents? That's not love, kindness and tolerance, as someone here labels it. That's communist dictatorship! Removing the power from EVERY parent to raise their own children and giving that power to the state!

Yes that's true , that's how it was in soviet Russia. Ever Stalin himself couldn't stomach it.

When a  young son who had informed on his parents and had them arrested by the the local communist gestapo and was presented to Stalin to be awarded with some medal of the soviet republic Stalin said :

"Where is the little sh1te"

That's the sort of society the leftists and 'liberals' want in Britain.

edy - not my point at all. I stressed that we all have boundaries. Incest is illegal. Not sure why given the current view that 'love trumps hate'. Surely if a brother loves his brother or sister or both they should be allowed to marry??

Where would you draw the line between what is tolerant and to be taught to 5 year olds and what should be discouraged?

You were not trying to put incest and gay coitus on a similar moral ground? Ok, sorry.

Most incestuous relationship probably happen without consent. In the vast majority of cases there will be a form of sexual abuse involved. In addition you are bound to experience the effects of inbreeding if children are produced. So incest, unlike same sex relationships, is indeed detrimental to our societies and most individuals involved. That's where I draw my first line.

Also, incest is about sexual intercourse. It describes sexual activity between relatives. Same-sex relationships, like opposite sex relationships, can be shown and explained to 5-year olds without involving any sexual component. The hard work is done by Storks and bees. You know the drill. That's the second line. A child will not be damaged by being explained it's ok that Susan&Samantha are living together and loving each other very much like mommy and daddy do too.

Mommy is shagging her boss at work while daddy is drinking heavily and gambling.  They shout and swear a lot at each other, but this is because they love each other very much.  Mommy's boss is Yolanda, formerly Yusuf, a transgender Muslim dwarf from Pakistan.  Yolanda is divorced from Agnieska, a second generation British girl of Polish extraction, whom Yusuf married to gain a British passport.  Agnieska has now been divorced 68 times but has been happily married and happily divorced each time. She loved all her husbands very much, and she especially loves her new BMW soft top.

Susan and Samantha also live with with Polly, Molly, Holly, Jenny, Penny and Kenny.  They all went to university and studied Media Studies together, now they all work in the fast food industry, serving very happy customers.  They rent a 2 bedroom flat in Hounslow.  That's because they all love each other very much and not because it's all they can afford.  Kenny can't believe his luck.

clydebank - after a period of calm reflection, are you pleased with that post?

punctuation poor

blackbarn do you want to put me on the naughty step?

I agree with the spirit of edy's posts but there is a difference between discouraging and encouraging.  By not encouraging you are not discouraging.  Primary school age is too young to entertain this subject imo.  Better to teach about acceptance, tolerance, and diversity and that there is nothing wrong with being different, rather than hint at sexuality.

edy - not sure if you clicked on the link but 5 year olds will be taught about men sleeping together...

As for incest and your point about the effects of inbreeding, contraception, the snip and gay incest will solve that.

Incest is illegal/morally wrong for one reason and it has nothing to do with deformities:

Many relationships succeed where there is NO romantic/sexual ingredient.

let kids be kids, FFS !

''Hello, Sailor''

Jesus wept :D

Which of you lil rascals reported my perfectly innocent reply to Injera and got it deleted? Not cool, brothers.

Let me repeat it then:

Sleeping together is a perfectly innocent action for children. Maybe in your sinful minds sex and sleeping together are one and the same, but for children it is not. For years they regularly come over to sleep with their parents in the same bed, get a first hand account of what, for a child, adults sleeping together means. Comfort and love. For a child there is nothing more to the action of sleeping together. Be it woman-man, woman-woman, man-man, parent-child, siblings or kindergarten mates sleeping together.

The thing is as a child of primary school age you don't think about it.  You think about food, xmas, birthdays, friends and playing.  You don't think about adults sleeping together.  It's not natural to talk about adults sleeping together.

It's another example of the PC brigade doing more harm than good.

Do they really not? They spend a whole lot of time sleeping in the same bed together with a pair of adults (their parents, grandparents) and also love to talk about it.

By the time they hit school age the interest starts lowering in sleeping together with their parents (and the usual parent will start kicking them out most nights. Not literally kicking, figuratively), but their view on sleeping together remains the same.

Sleeping together = nothing naughty whatsoever

You lil rascals all all have very dirty minds.

Well I have 4 kids who have all been through Primary School and from my experience it's not something they speak about.  As far as sleeping arrangements go they want their own bedroom and their own independence as quickly as possible.  As toddlers they might have asked to sleep in mummy and daddy's bed, but I'm pretty sure they'd grown out of that insecurity by the time they reached primary school.

They would speak about thinks they did at school.  Which puts a whole new slant on this initiative because it forces the parents to address the issue, which might reinforce the exact views that the initiative is designed to stop.  If this policy was decided by a referendum it would be around 80/20 against it.  That's because they think growing up naturally and without interference is best. Positive discrimination is discrimination.

They have dropped that term due to embarrassment, it is now called 'positive action'.

The whole Point is why there is a Need to teach a 5yo Child anything about sex ,Never mind Homosexuals ,and what is running
this constant need to inform People about Homosexuals ,many on here should be thankful their fathers were not homosexuals .

I have no interest in Sodomy if men want to shaft each other let them crack on with it behind closed Doors or where ever

I accept men and Women are Gay ,Let them crack on with ,I have no further interest ,and if my children were in junior school I would prefer they were not informed about it till they were older .

AS I said why is there a Constant need to Promote Homosexuals and the like  ,Look at the BBC a main stream Website that feels the need to inform us about Transexuals and Crossdressers ,What percentage of the Population are of that persuasion ??

WTF is going on ?? Why are these obscure issue  reported on ,with Special News Item Such as being Transvestite and Living in N Eire ?? What or Who is Fueling this insane Need to inform us all of these Extreme Minorities ??