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28 Oct 17
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Just when you thought part 1 had laid on the persecution with a trowel, it turns out the Catholics were as bad as the Protestants, if not worse.
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Only caught the second half of this episode so far. Leopard asked during first episode if it it was anti protestant? Well .. .
Turns out the author is an Irish, devout catholic, republican, who has worked for Corbyn and has twice been charged under suspicion of being in the IRA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Bennett Keep that in mind I think when considering his balanced view on this! In 20 years time the BBC will be re-writing history to put IS in a good light (if Channel 4 don't get there first!). |
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Actually on 10 seconds reflection, Channel 4 will be doing that within 10 years if not sooner.
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Liv Tyler's English accent is pretty good, not even a trace of Elvish.
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Did I read the other thread correctly and Guy Fawkes was an illegal immigrant?
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Bennett born in England but raised in Newtownabbey, Northern Ireland in a devout Roman Catholic family, the son of William H. and Geraldine Bennett. He attended St Mary's Christian Brothers' Grammar School, Belfast.[1]
In 1974, aged 18, Bennett was convicted of murdering Inspector William Elliott, a 49-year-old police officer in the Royal Ulster Constabulary during an Official IRA bank robbery at the Ulster Bank in The Diamond shopping area at Rathcoole, close to his Merville Garden Village home, on 6 September 1974.[2][3] His conviction was declared unsafe in 1975 and he was released from Long Kesh prison.[2] Bennett moved to London and in 1978 he was arrested for conspiracy to cause explosions and spent 16 months in prison on remand. Bennett conducted his own defence, and he and his co-defendants were acquitted in 1979. He studied history at King's College London receiving a first class honours degree, and later completed his PhD at the college in 1987.[3] That same year, he was hired as a parliamentary researcher by Jeremy Corbyn MP, later Leader of the Labour Party, in a move that provoked controversy and security concerns.[4] Bennett lives in London with his family. His partner since King's College, was Georgina Henry, former deputy editor of The Guardian and editor of guardian.co.uk, the newspaper's website;[5] Henry died in February 2014 from sinus cancer.[6] Since 2006, he has co-hosted a regular Monday chess column with Daniel King in The Guardian, which seeks to be instructive, rather than topical. Through test positions taken from actual games, their amateur and expert assessments of the possible continuations are discussed and compared. It has been supposed that Nigel Short's column was axed to make way for the new feature and the justification for this change has been the subject of some debate in chess circles.[7] |
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@Just Checking -- Only caught the second half of this episode so far. Leopard asked during first episode if it it was anti protestant? Well .. .
you need to watch the first part of the episode to see some Catholic atrocities. |
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its deffo a more expansive look at the problems leading up to gunpowder plot
400 years on still powerful stuff |
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i suppose you have to take into account england had been at war with catholic spain for the previous 20 years
queen mary burned 100s of protestants as heretics during her short reign in the 1550s. just the way of the world in those days |
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Precisely. If the catholic church thought you were a heretic, you tended not to last that long.
"Bloody Mary" was called that because of the slaughter of Protestants. I mean look at this [selected] list and look at how many were burned in England when it was a catholic country. Mary died in 1558 so you can see when she was alive! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_burned_as_heretics Bigger list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Protestant_martyrs_of_the_English_Reformation ... now where is that "why are some people against religion" fred :) |
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Part 3 now
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Is this the programme written by that IRA bloke convicted of murder and later employed by Corbyn?
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Writer, Ronan Bennett, on tomorrow 12pm , BBC radio 3 :
Ronan Bennett is a novelist and screenwriter whose latest drama series on the BBC, "Gunpowder", dramatizes the story of Guy Fawkes from the point of view of the Catholics, who were persecuted in England at the time. All through his substantial body of work Ronan Bennett has explored the roots of violence and terrorism, something he knows about from personal experience, having grown up as a Catholic in Northern Ireland in the 1970s. He was imprisoned twice as a young man, accused of IRA terrorist offences, but was acquitted both times, not before spending a total of almost three years in prison, sometimes in solitary confinement. After he came out of prison for the second time, Ronan Bennett made the decision to study history at King's College London, and went on to do a PhD on crime and law enforcement in 17th-century England. In Private Passions he talks about how studying history is a way of trying to make sense of his own painful experience. He looks back on his childhood and chooses Berlioz's opera "The Trojans" for his mother; he includes, too, choices for his own children, who have widened his musical tastes, with Chopin and the grime artist Kano. He talks movingly about the death of his wife, the journalist Georgina Henry, and about the music which he listened to as she died - and which then gave him hope. Musical choices include Thomas Tallis, the Chieftains, Jessye Norman singing from Strauss's "Four Last Songs", and Bon Iver. |