Reports of an explosion

Sep 15, 2017 -- 10:28PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:

Where did his tweet about the uk attack today lead to shutting down the internet and banning muslims, im confused.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 12h12 hours ago

The travel ban into the United States should be far larger, tougher and more specific-but stupidly, that would not be politically correct!

Loser terrorists must be dealt with in a much tougher manner.The internet is their main recruitment tool which we must cut off & use better!

.........lets wait for the investigation to be concluded......its is part and parcel of living in a big city....suspects motivations not known yet ...(repeat)............lets wait for the investigation to be concluded......its is part and parcel of living in a big city....suspects motivations not known yet ...(repeat)...........lets wait for the investigation to be concluded......its is part and parcel of living in a big city....suspects motivations not known yet ...(repeat)....
Thank You.... Tresea May and Lord Mayor Khan and Sky News, that makes me feel safer now

Trump was right in what he said. May should shut up about the president and do her job.

Trump was right in what he said. May should shut up about the president and do her job.

Why is it not possible to have segregated travel arrangements?

I think May has already demonstrated  a countless number of times, that she is totally unable to ' do her job'

Well if that is so all the more reason to listen to Trump for some good advice.

It is a good thing in principle to ban people from certain countries from coming to Britain, a pm should not lack the courage to show herself as an oppressor of such countries, it`s good for them.

18 year old suspect arrested dover

Why is it that every time there's a terrorist attack, the government use it as an excuse to clamp down on our civil liberties?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4889398/PM-orders-internet-bosses-clamp-extremism.html

terrorist attacks = more armed police
PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION

Have mental health issues been reported yet ?

smokes dope no doubt

18

student
army
unemployed
rich parents
white/black/asian

What I can't understand is why didn't the bucket (which appears to be plastic) burn?

The Lidl bag ist still virtually intact as well.

We're told there's a bomb in the bucket which failed to detonate. The bucket is seen smoking with the odd flame. Yet someone goes up to it and photographs it!!

a samsung 7

Don't worry, the youtube conspiracy boys will be on the case.

Yes, something doesn't look right here. No singes on seating or any other surfaces and yet peoples skin has bean burned and peoples faces covered in blood?

Yes, something doesn't look right here. No singes on seating or any other surfaces and yet peoples skin has bean burned and peoples faces covered in blood?

Superficial burns from initial flash; blood from the stampede to get out.

not the same people mr.drink

many folk injured in escaping blast, and somebody steps up to take a photo of
the remains in the lidl bag

could have been vital evidence had it gone off later

never return to a lit firework and all that

9/11 was a masterplan involving many people

@detraveller has a point but I do not know how much comfort it is. Instead of skilled and equipped terrorists we have a bunch of idiots who thought Four Lions was a training film. Trouble is, there are an awful lot of idiots out there with access to cars and kitchen knives.

part and parcel (bomb) of living in a big city.

@Get me a drink -- Yes, something doesn't look right here.

What doesn't look right is it was not a suicide bomb. That would be a worrying new development (assuming it is the usual AA mob and not a completely new set of terrorists fighting for a free Brexit or some such).

lfc1971    16 Sep 17 09:29 
Well if that is so all the more reason to listen to Trump for some good advice.


I think ' Trump ' and ' good advice ' could be an oxymoron.

It's stated the ' bomb ' failed to detonate ?
What was ' left ' in the bucket/Lidl bag then , that was ' unexploded  ' ?

Any Vigils or Concerts planned ?

Amazed Lidl have not come up with a  Bogof candle Promo

HOPE HE PAID HIS 5P  FOR THE BAG

Anyone elese know why the plastic bucket and liddle bag didn't burn??

PLastic produces hideous black smoke. That bucket would have melted in seconds.

May wants this ramped up as much as possible. It detracts public attention from the utter mess the Tories are making of this country.


You mean it distracts attention from Boris's leadership bid.

Bois - another Tory embarassment

The German supermarket chain Lidl has been caught removing the crosses from a picture of a Greek island used to sell cheese. The packaging on its “Greek” range of foods shows the gorgeous blue-domed churches of the island of Santorini – but only their domes. The crosses that in real life surmount them have been digitally excised.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/04/lidl-remove-religious-crosses-food-packaging-excise-religion-life

I think the Supermarket of Peace has some questions to answer.

^ r

No. Lidl has absolutely nothing to answer. They must have planned for the future. European population is on the decline since how many years? Do you think any business can grow serving a declining customer base? There are new customers to be had and they are just keeping them in mind.

You'll figure out one day it's all about money and power. Until then you can keep yourself busy with such things, if it makes you happy.

It was a joke, detraveller. By "questions to answer" I was suggesting, facetiously, that Lidl was somehow going to be a target for investigation in connection with the bomb.

(Are you a native German speaker, by the way? It's just that the sentence "European population is on the decline since how many years?" reads like a literal translation of "Europäische Bevölkerung ist seit wieviel Jahren rückläufig?"; a native English speaker would say something like "European population has been on the decline for how many years?")

Apologies, if I'm wrong. I'm just curious.

May wants this ramped up as much as possible. It detracts public attention from the utter mess the Tories are making of this country.


Let's at least all thank our lucky stars that 'Man of Peace' (except when it comes to supporting Britain's enemies) Jeremy Corbyn isn't running the country.

Is anything known about this chap they picked up in Dover?

He's 18 years old reportedly, and ISIS say he is their representative.   I think it's unlikely he'll be head-hunted to be the face of any well-known supermarkets.

ISIS claims responsibility every time someone bursts a balloon. It means nothing.

Plod must have known him to pick up down there. 

alun - despite some triffic prices I feel obligated to boycott Lidl in future.

However, I will be stockpiling their carriers and using them as protection against Kim's nukes.

Smart move !

t is understood the device had a timer, but the BBC's security correspondent Frank Gardner said the bomb appeared not to have gone off properly.

Parsons Green tube station
Police have spoken to 45 witnesses so far and received 77 images and videos from the public
Had it worked as intended, it would have killed everyone around it and maimed everyone in the train carriage for life, he said.




So he must know the secrets of what was left in the bucket after the ' huge fireball '  then ??

They're all guilty Facts. May's running for cover blaming Trump, Google etc. Can't make it up.

I've no idea if this is an Islamic attack or not. Odd that the fella didn't try to blow himself up(they usually do). What I do know is that we've given succour to people who hate us and a minority of them seek our destruction.

Sep 16, 2017 -- 4:09PM, screaming from beneaththewaves wrote:

It was a joke, detraveller. By "questions to answer" I was suggesting, facetiously, that Lidl was somehow going to be a target for investigation in connection with the bomb.(Are you a native German speaker, by the way? It's just that the sentence "European population is on the decline since how many years?" reads like a literal translation of "Europäische Bevölkerung ist seit wieviel Jahren rückläufig?"; a native English speaker would say something like "European population has been on the decline for how many years?")Apologies, if I'm wrong. I'm just curious.

I often don't get the hidden jokes. You got everything right. I was until 6 years ago doing copywriting work and had almost flawless English. Made quite a lot of money with it during studies. Then I left English alone and it's amazing how not staying in touch with a language can destroy the skill.

Arrested and released two weeks ago. So Trump was right then?

Looks like it.

has this ever happened before?

Facts: "May wants this ramped up as much as possible. It detracts public attention from the utter mess the Tories are making of this country."

You're a bit of an obsessive with total rubbish like this aren't you? Didn't you post on here that the controversy about Prince Harry's girlfriend getting hassled by the Media was a Tory consipiracy to "detract public attention from the utter mess the Tories are making of this country." I remember that post well as it disappeared a couple hours later, I didn't know we could delete posts, did you ask for it to be deleted as you realised even for you that was insane?

Have you ever spoken to a professional about these sorts of thoughts - or does it just come with being a leftie?

'Refugee foster boy' arrested at Dover port, was first held 2 weeks ago but freed.

Stop it! Can't make this stuff up!!!!

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Joseph Goebbels.

In the very early reporting of this incident one presenter said "we don't know if this is an accident or a terrorist attack by a FAR RIGHT group or whatever, we just don't know yet."

FFS. How much more of this nonsense do we have to endure before MSM start telling it like it is?

Not one of the Calais Children ,Shirley ??

Don Trumpton Correct Again

I don't suppose Trump was just guessing with that tweet, I reckon MI6 know pretty much straight away, shared the info with the CIA, who told the president and, like he does, immediately blabbed it on Twitter. Perhaps not the most diplomatic thing to do, but it's the clowns who criticised him who now look like deluded fools once more.

BBC news was trying desperately not to say anything about his possible origins. Ohh BBC you rogues :)

Torq, it's fine for Trump to take a hard line and I've not really a problem with that but leaking info about a hot ongoing investigation, we've already got issues with the US after the manchester leaks, they need to keep a lid on and start acting professionaly..

Yes, agree it is undiplomatic and unprofessional. The trouble is that the agenda of the media has made me very cynical whether we will ever be told the truth about the perpetrators of these attacks if they can get away with not telling us, so when Trump forces their hand so to speak with tweets like that I do see some good in it.

I think Trump is Just pointing out that we Keep letting Lunatics into the Country and that it will go one way  , We wait
with baited Breath  for this Chaps history, I would not bet Long odds he is one of the Calais Mob ,If he is the Luvvies
need to be Lined up to explain their Luv for these characters ..

I believe most of our television media is desperate for any of these atrocities to be the work of so called far right extremists (as shown in that quote above) and will only lay the blame on Islamic extremists when every other avenue has been explored - or Trump blabs the truth on Twitter.

Should anyone ever be criticised for telling the truth? Maybe if it puts somebody's life in jeopardy etc, but most time I would say not.

Why hasnt mental illness been mentioned yet, If by chance his earlier arrest showed no sign of mental illness ?

The narrative from the press is very different from previous attacks.

I'm starting to think it was a staged event.

Somebody posted a link on here months ago to a report by some think tank or whatever that advocated the media downplaying any Islamic involvement in these atrocities - "seek alternative explanations" was the phrase that stuck in my mind. FFS!

Trump's almost always correct(unlike other politicians). His execution though is always childish and not helpful.

It is common practice among law enforcement agencies that when an event like this occurs, the identity of the suspect and his arrest is kept under the lid. First, so his accomplices dont know if he got caught or not. Secondly, the couple of hours immediately after an arrest are the most valuable in term of further raids and intelligence gathering. The last thing they want is the bad guys to know that their partner got caught. They all switch to plan B immediately if they know the guy is in police custody.

If I have the timeline correct, Trump tweeted two to three hours after the event? At that point, the public didn't even know who the suspect was, and trump was tweeting to the terrorists, look we know who he was and you know we know. Hide before we catch the rest of you.

Agree Torquemada. The lefties at say the BBC are the sort that are totally into "let's bring over 100,000 mentally damaged kids from jerhad central" so they will, I'm sure, if he turns out to be exactly what people are warning about, try to avoid covering this. I.e. he'll be a teenager not a refugee and just disturbed and not driven by... shall we say "anything in particular".

The way the C4/BBC distort and manipulate the news is in your face once you pay attention.

Were any of the Luvvies present at the Arrest to assure Fair Play ?

FOSTER KID 'IS BUCKET BOMBER’Parsons Green terror suspect, 18, revealed as ‘refugee taken in by MBE foster couple’ – as neighbours claim ‘problematic’ teen was arrested TWO WEEKS ago.

YEP 1.01 landed

Yes, agree with that detraveller. The trouble is I now believe that our media will either hide the truth from us indefinitely - or downright lie - if they can possibly get away with it.

LOL so after I state that it was deleted you then deny it knowing up front I have no proof. Do you think I won't see that little "fact" and then YOU demand anyone apologise to the likes of you? It's so totally you, as evidenced on this very thread.

It is common practice among law enforcement agencies that when an event like this occurs, the identity of the suspect and his arrest is kept under the lid.

Not in the USA. Where police hold press conferences shortly after a crime of public interest. Generally, if they have a suspect, they will name him. Both to protect the public and help find him.

I can understand why they would do it in most cases, especially one off incidents like a kidnapping or an armed psycho on the lose. But if there was a gang that strikes every month, I would expect them to control the spread of news for intelligence gathering. US is a crazy place though when it comes to law enf.

It's irrelevant really what the US or Tibetan procedure is in this, it's the UKs case and they have the responsibility to run the case as they see fit, it's not for the US to decide they know better and drop hints or info the UK hasn't. What IS an issue here is once the info is released, if our media deliberately handle it in a way according to their particular agenda - which they do. I keep bringing it up but the German New Year handling by the BBC should be taught in universities as an example of a media filtering and manipulating the facts to an agenda, while still "not telling lies".

It's irrelevant really what the US or Tibetan procedure is in this, it's the UKs case and they have the responsibility to run the case as they see fit

Even in the pre-internet days, things were reported outside the UK, that weren't reported in the UK for legal or other reasons. It's naive to think everyone should conform to the UK's rules and practices.

The issue here is that Trump may have released info that was communicated by the UK with an understanding of confidentiality. OTOH, the USA may have obtained this info by their own surveillance. Given how quickly he knew, I suspect the latter.

1st amendment to the US constitution;

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

LOL whats your point :) If the 1st ammendment means they have free reign or even a compulsion to disclose any information any secret foreign body gives them, then all foreign bodies should stop dealing with them. That way madness lies!

As I suspected the UK uses USA technology probably located in the USA, for facial recognition.

Optic Nerve worked by collecting the information from GCHQ's large network of Internet cable taps, feeding into systems provided by the United States' National Security Agency. NSA research was used to build the tool to isolate the webcam traffic.

not a single word in the sunday mail about this guy being arrested and then released but means nothing

not a single word in the sunday mail about this guy being arrested and then released but means nothing

The key question here is, what exactly was he arrested for (and released) a couple of weeks back? Cycling the wrong way down a one-way street, carrying an offensive weapon or attempting to buy explosives? The implications are clearly different in each case.

arrested in the parson green area two weeks ago, Scotland yard declined to comment

you cant blame these would be jihadi,s even before this attack on thurs,s news at 10 there was reports of Scottish footie hoolies,nazi salutes marching on the world, lock  your days the Nazi,s are on the rampage blah,blah , maybe the jihadi,s feel left out, its beyond comprehension that any sane person can compare right wing marches with the 10,s of 1000,s been killed by Islamic terrorists,but the media just wont give up on it,the looney loner who klilled joe cox was a present from the gods for these leftie loonies

Whilst it's bizarre for a President to be conducting affairs via Twatter, what he said in this instance was hardly earth shattering.

It was embarrassing to our security forces but nonetheless no names were revealed.

I'm all for Trump and anyone else ramping up this current problem. Most of the establishment including media play it down, using their preset narrative:

mental illness
loner
radicalised by the naughty internet
nothing to do with Islam
etc

Agree, Trumpy is embarrassing the ridiculous decisions by HM Gov, on our behalf, good for him.

From wikipedia,

The term "Nazi" was in use before the rise of the NSDAP as a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards farmer or peasant, characterizing an awkward and clumsy person. This was derived from Nazi a hypocorism of the German men's name Ignatz (itself a variation of the men's name Ignatius) – Ignatz being a common name at the time in Bavaria, the area from which the NSDAP emerged.[5][6]

In the 1920s, political opponents of the NSDAP in the German labour movement seized on this and – using the earlier abbreviated term "Sozi" for Sozialist (English: Socialist) as an example[7] – shortened the first part of the party's name, [Na]tionalso[zi]alistische, to the dismissive "Nazi", in order to associate them with the derogatory use of the term mentioned above.

Nazi was a term used by urban leftists to belittle non-urbanites who opposed them. Not much has changed.

I don't think the Sunbury neighbours will be keen on the old MBE couple taking in more potential bombers. When you're old it's hard work searching all over the house for guns and explosives.

when its hidden in the garden

Careful, pxb. You've ended up arguing that it was inaccurate and condescending to call a follower of Adolf Hitler backwards, awkward or clumsy.

Considering what they were getting up to then and later, it's a pretty mild rebuke imo.

Sep 17, 2017 -- 12:41PM, terry mccann wrote:

when its hidden in the garden

Why hide it, when according to the internet the ingredients are probably available under every kitchen sink in the land.

Petraco, if you have googled that info, you are probably on a watch list.

I don't mind people who are, in the terms we came to understand, nazis, being called nazis ...

What I dislike is anyone who the left can't intellectually argue with (so most people really) being called "Nazis" "Fascists" "Racists" etc..

In my life I've seen FAR more opression of the people and even thought policing by the left, and it's only accelerating, ....

I only caught the end of the Daily Politics the other day and if I heard it right, they had yet another leftie politician on demanding that people with whome she disagreed be jailed. How noble!

Agree 100% with that, Just Checking. Particularly when it comes from thoughtless supporters of Corbyn, who genuinely is a National Socialist, right down to his hostility towards Jews.

But that's my problem with pxb's post. Beware of playing the Corbyn filth's game and allowing yourself to appear sympathetic to those who voted for Hitler. 'Cos it's the latter who today would be siding with Corbyn and his enthusiasm for violent Islamists and their policy of obliterating Jews (and Christians, and Muslims, and, well, anyone who advocates democracy and the rule of law).

^^
Referring to your 14.43 post on the previous page.

Agree screaming, there is a line, and it has to be there, the actual nazis were filth, I wasn't trying to remove it.
People trying to move it is the problem :)

Exactly.

15 guns and a bomb found at his home.

Why isnt the bomb blast in Manchester not being reported ?

whereabouts were they found?

Dover fella is an Iraqi refugee.

as well as itv news on thurs night running right wing terrorist stories there was a bloke edd milliband advisor on sky who had at least 5 goes off describing Islamic terrorists and even after 20 ,30 words couldn't help himself everytime ending with those words,WE MUST DESTROYTERRORISIM EVEN FROM THE RIGHT,athey cant help themselves,when was the last time the right planted a bomb had a suicide attack in this country,APPLES AND PEARS,APPLES AND PEARS

‘Nigel is going to highlight how jihadis are entering Europe, getting EU passports, and then are able to easily come to Britain because of the open-borders policy.

'If there is going to be one country where these guys are going to head to, it is going to be us because of the Iraq war and our involvement in Afghanistan and against Islamic State.’

Daily Mail 29 April 2015

Screaming. I just thought it was interesting the term 'Nazi' was around prior to the National Socialists, and was a derogatory term used by the Left, similar to the American 'redneck' or 'cracker'.

And, I think the reason Trump appeared to know who the perp was before British authorities did, was because he did know before them. But the Brits won't want to admit they needed the Americans to ID him.

This report indicates I am right.

And police this afternoon told Express.co.uk that the Met "has no idea" who the attacker is "at this point".

It comes after Express.co.uk asked whether autorities knew the identity of the assailant prior to the attack after a tweet by Donald Trump, which seemingly criticised UK authorities.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/854612/Parsons-Green-terror-attacker-bomb-b...