who are the alt-left

I once burned Fahrenheit 451, but it was meant as an ironic statement.

There's no such thing. It's simply the left or anti-fascists. There seems to be an alt-right, which is essentially nazism and they have perpetuated the idea that opponents to them are not anti-fascists, as that highlights a little too glaringly what they're against, and so instead are the alt-left.

I did spill a tin of paint over No Country for Old Men once though.

and why do they just want to smash and burn?

They're just as hate filled and bigoted as the fascists they oppose.

I just thought the book was vastly overrated.

It's simply the left or anti-fascists*

*Does not include Islamic Fascism obviously. The left have turned a blind eye where that particular nauseating ideology is concerned.

Alt-left just means you go backwards

It's a bit odd that lefties, many of whom  are anti-Semitists call themselves anti-fascists.

Like The Golden Vision states ''They're just as hate filled and bigoted as the fascists they oppose.''

I'd say they're worse.

PorcupineorPineapple    16 Aug 17 14:00 
There's no such thing.

Dr Crippen
16 Aug 17 17:14

It's a bit odd that lefties, many of whom  are anti-Semitists call themselves anti-fascists.

Like The Golden Vision states ''They're just as hate filled and bigoted as the fascists they oppose.''

I'd say they're worse.


I wouldn't say that at all.

I would not support the State of Israel but would stand up for any persecuted person of the Jewish ( if that is the right word ) faith.

Wouldn't say what Whisperingdeath?

I wouldn't say they were worse

They dont go round beating up black people, jewish people or homsexuals for no reason

Who goes around doing that?

The left have murdered many more people than the right.

^ ^ that really is the most moronic post i've ever seen on here. what a warped place your mind must be

So being anti-fascist is being hate filled and bigoted?
Well call me a hate filled bigot then!

The left have murdered more than the right?
Who's keeping score. Is the murder count a guide to anyone's next MP.

I don't know how you can ever go out in public being this stupid Crippen.
Some of statements are just made up rubbish.

Aug 16, 2017 -- 1:57PM, DIE LINKE wrote:

I once burned Fahrenheit 451, but it was meant as an ironic statement.

lol btw.

Well tot them up then, how many did the communist Russians kill?
How many did the Chinese communist kill?

Hitler killed 6 million.

Any more?

Hitler? You mean the hero of Trump's mates the White Supremacists?

Well I wasn't referring to Corbyn's and McDonnell's mates the communists.

A_T has to go 3,000 miles to find an example.

We've got them right here in the UK.

And as members of Parliament at that.

Hitler just had 6 million (probably more) gassed - which doesn't include the 10's of millions killed around the world as a result of the war he started.
It isn't a fecking qualification of political belief to kill the most people.
So it's a bloody stupid comparison.

Everything on here and you idiots come back with:

"Yeah, but the other lot would be/have been/are worse"

Just concede that Nazis are bad, are tw@ts and need condemning - WITHOUT QUALIFICATION. WITHOUT COMPARISON. WITHOUT BLAMING OTHER FACTIONS.

YOU CAN'T CAN YOU??????

These lefties don't find the facts very appealing do they?

The day you post one, they might.

The extreme Right and extreme Left are as bad as each other....they are extremists !

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Franco, Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc

All have caused millions to die un-necessarily !

Centre-ism and democracy is better by far !

Here take a peek at some figures.

Mass killings under Communist regimes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Agreed ...just as bad as Hitler.

All I'm saying is that there's more chance of being murdered under the commies than under the fascists.

Yet lefties think they're angels in comparison to the right.

No they don't !

The extreme Right and extreme Left are as bad as each other....they are extremists !

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim, Franco, Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc

All have caused millions to die un-necessarily !

Every time people say anything bad about Nazis on here, the same names, who post about little else tbh, come out with how bad the left is.
Actually they say it on threads about chocolate, or TV shows, or anything really.

Why do so many of you idiots support the far right?

Do they make you feel important or maybe wanted, where no-one else gives a toss about you?
Is that it?
Do they pretend to be your friends so you can have some?

Crippen, there a re so many levels on which it's pointless to respond to something as irrelevant as 80 year ago China, or 70 year ago Soviet Union.
The have NOTHING to do with anything.

Unless you're suggesting Nazism is a better way for people to live than any of your Leftie rubbish.
Are you?

Studyform,

You support leftist and anarchist violence.

I condemn violence from the right and from the left.

That is the difference.

Study....they are just trying to wind you up to get you banned ....don't fall for it !

Crippen's been struggling badly lately with his hero Trump floundering so he's been trying to move the goalposts and using strawmen to defend his position.

I very much support NO violence at all.
Which includes the threat of violence, implied violence, people using violent language, people carrying unnecessary weaponry, people instilling fear.
Without this. There's no opposition.

Why do so many of you use a gambling forum to spout idiotic MINORITY right wing views and ideologies?
It doesn't work and you're only preaching to each other.

Whatever floats their little boats Leopard.
They've tried before. Sad isn't it?
Noted though.

Hmmmm anarchist.
Where did that come from?

STUDYFORM 16 Aug 17 18:21
So being anti-fascist is being hate filled and bigoted?

Well call me a hate filled bigot then!








think i'll change my name to tom jones  and see if i can get a few gigs..............easy money

It's quite remarkable how left-wingers come on here condemning right-wing groups, when they probably voted for a party that has a dedicated supporter of totalitarian politics in its Shadow Cabinet.
I point to John McDonnell who is a Marxist. 

Corbyn gave him the job so Corbyn is tarred with the same brush.

And you people are worried about a rag-tag bunch of demonstrators who probably don't even know what a real fascism is.
After voting to go down the path towards a totalitarian state at the last general election.

Listen to what Anna Soubry has to say about John McDonnell and the route that Labour are taking under Corbyn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6BgdaBiUVM

Daniel Wessel, a spokesperson for the Democratic National Committee, said: “We commend the leaders who stood for American values and resigned from these councils following Trump’s defense of white supremacists in Charlottesville. These councils disbanded because of Trump’s failure to lead and the public pressure that followed ... Trump’s peddling of racist lies has been the final straw that has made the businessman president lose even the support of big business.”

Crippen, it's quite possible you write the biggest load of rubbish on the forum.

Still, your adherence to the cause is admirable

Getting a good hiding again are you STUDYFORM?

Come on here talking about extremists when you're trying to get a party of extremist elected in the UK.

I'm not really trying crippen, I'm more sitting, watching TV and having a bet.

Oh, and not believing the Daily Mail.

The National Socialist German Workers Party started life as its name suggests as a left wing party. It was only considered to be "of the right" in its opposition to the Bolsheviks.
After it gained power through the democratic system it morphed into a fascist dictatorship.

Foinavon, that's actually not true. They just threw the word socialist into their name in order to attract disaffected voters too stupid to spot the difference. They were, are and always will be of the right wing.

the German nazi party and the Italian fascist party were both left wing.
you have only to read their manifestos to see that.

here we have some of the objectives of the first fascist manifesto in 1919:

universal suffrage
voting age lowered to 18
voting for woman
proportional representation
representation in government of newly created national councils
abolition of senate, upper house of parliament elected by wealthier citizens
formation of national council with experts for labour including professionals and tradesmen
8 hour workday for all workers
a minimum wage
workers representatives in industry commissions
to show same confidence in labour unions as to industry executives or public servants
revision of draft law on invalidity insurance
reduction of retirement age from 65 to 55
creation of a national militia
armaments factories to be nationalised
a peaceful but competitive foreign policy
a strong progressive tax on capital
advocating a partial expropriation of concentrated wealth
seizure of all possessions of religious congregations
abolition of bishoprics which constitute enormous liability on the nation and the poor
revision of all military contracts and seizure of 85% profits therein

this was the very first fascist manifesto.

The alt-left like to shut down freedom of speech.

Notice their leaders never ever speak to the cameras.

This is because their is no defence of their sick violence.

This weekend their threat of violence means protests against Google censorship have been cancelled.

I have always noticed that they are very loud and always shout down the opposition.  Being from the left I disassociate myself from these so called 'left wing ' or alt left groups.  Same as remainers.  They seem to embrace democracy BUT ONLY IF THEY WIN.  Look at the reaction to trump winning and the brexit result reaction.

The alt left apart from being aggressive, violent and very very loud are backers of the refugee swarm and open borders that has led to the chaos and terrorism we now experience more and more of.  You now have larger and larger ghettoes for the muslim terrorists to hide in and be helped and protected.  That is what your alt left is all about.  And they brook no opposition.

The National Socialist German Workers Party started life as its name suggests as a left wing party.

No, no, no, that must be denied, even if it involves some dreamt up bullsh!t (They just threw the word socialist into their name in order to attract disaffected voters) 

Is there an Alt-Left? of course there is but you wont get the sandals&candles mob to ever acknowledge it, just doesn't sit well with the image they have of themselves, all those death/violence threats towards Farage and his family? they came from the right, those thousands on anti capitalist rallys lobbing bricks and trashing Town centres? they vote Tory.   

There's some good examples on here of how the lefties like to play it, start a ranting post with alt-right/Nazis/fascist's and then, once you get into your stride, you drop the alt and just use right, which is what they meant all along.

That 1919 fascist manifesto isn't from Germany is it lfc ? Looks more like Mussolini to me and there is no dispute that he started as a syndaclist.

syndicalist.

Studyform on this thread states that he very much supports NO violence at all

Including violent language , threats of violence, and carrying 'unnecessary' weaponary
( notice how he slips in unnecessary)

Yet on the confederate statue rally he was asked does he think that leftists who had been quilty of violence should be taken to court and prosecuted and jailed he refused to say they should, in fact he condoned them and their violence .

How does studyform square this contradiction , I don't know.
He's a leftist.

There is no such thing as the "alt-left".  That was just mixed up words coming out of the orange clown's mouth without much consideration by his brain.  Similar types have repeated the phrase.

Very good , now studyform is saying that the first fascist party in Italy, and what is the first fascist manifesto is not really the fascist party , or a fascist manifesto ?

Then again, of course party manifestos are not always to be believed, perhaps we could look at the communists manifesto in Russia and how that turned out

Then again , studyform likes to gloss over the millions if lives lost there. and the starvation, and the forced labour, and the prison camps, and the torture and repression

Maybe he thinks they were BOLSHEVIKS.

and no such thing as the alt right just one of these trending 'challenging' wurds wot use use

what I do know is that democratic election results are opposed violently by those who lose and they want their own way, trying to get
it using violence

studyform and salmon spray , getting them mixed up now
both leftists, are the left capable of logical thought?
they might be, anythings possible I read it somewhere.

you must not come to the hard conclusion that every leftist in the world is hard, and false, and wicked.

that would only make you sad.

Aug 19, 2017 -- 11:51AM, dave1357 wrote:

There is no such thing as the "alt-left".

Apparently there is, Dave ... No one that I know who is associated with the AltLeft (which by the way has existed for years) would ever support or engage in violence.

https://altleft.com/

Please, lfc.
Don't think about me when you go to bed. will you?
The thought of me being that much in your thoughts would be very upsetting.

Given your style and content of posting, you aren't one to question someone else's logical thoughts.
Saddest of all is that (I assume) you have the same right to vote as the rest of us.

The others were right, your existence on here is as a weird kind of fisher.
A unique style, I grant you, but a fisher nonetheless.

Here's a question for you.
Is a 'leftist' someone who doesn't happen to agree with far right policy?

but you are unable to argue against the evidence study

I'm not playing.

Studyform,

Do you denounce all political violence?

but the bbc and sky are so biased towards the eu, islam, not reporting terrorism and its links, against corbyn, trump, farage they have a long record of it

I am a socialist and long time member of the Labour party but I can see the horrendous imbalance

The left have murdered more than the right?

STUDYFORM.
I don't know how you can ever go out in public being this stupid Crippen.
Some of statements are just made up rubbish.

Yet I went on to prove my point citing the murders committed in communist Russia and communist China.

Does STUDYFORM ever think before he starts slagging people off?

If you go through his posts, it's clear that he's an utter dunce.

The left just cannot denounce political violence in all its forms.

They just cannot do it.

Why?

To be fair to Corbyn he generally is capable of denouncing violence on all sides unless it is right-wing violence then only one side will do.

Crippen - you have proved nothing - to anyone, ever.
Duncewise, I'm not fit to push down the Velcro on your shoes.

I.T.
I'm not 'The Left'.
Apparently the Nazis and Fascists are. Ask them.

Studyform,

Why is it so hard for you to say:

'I do not give the green light to any political violence.'

????

Hitler said he was going to nationalise the banks before he came to power but never did.

The difference between The Nazis and the communists was that the Nazis put people in charge of industry and controlled them, instead of the communist model of controlling industry themselves.

Two totalitarian states in the grip of dictators.

I do not understand this idea that violence is ok as long as it is against a Nazi according to the left.

For, instance, if an Islamist hate preacher said lots of horrible things and made verbal threats I would still say it is not acceptable to punch him in the face.

It would be a bad thing to do.

unable to answer and resorts to the personal insult
typical avoidance

oh and how about hitler etc etc  - get the drift

I don't like ANY violence, I.T.
Political eapecially, but also and not limited too, drunks outside pubs, football violence, fights in playgrounds, wars, wife-beating filth.
I don't own a green light, If I did I wouldn't give it.

I have now spent (wasted 4 days) on here avoiding nothing, answering and justifying stuff to several unreasonable people and some idiots.
You don't read anything properly and the only answers to anything are the ones already in your heads.

Finally Studyform we are agreed that both Antifa and Nazis and all those in between are wrong to use violence. Violence on all sides should be denounced.

I am glad we have resolved this. Debating it is the best way.

no it's not  - I just like to be right   oh     pun !! ho ho

I have now spent (wasted 4 days) on here avoiding nothing, answering and justifying stuff to several unreasonable people and some idiots.

There he goes again calling people idiots, so childish.

Crippin. SF has now denounced violence on all sides. Is that not enough? We are now all on the same side.

If it's any consolation crippen, you're more of an idiot than they are.

Nice to see I've got under your skin more than they have.

More crawling over it than getting under it....

Let me know when you have your orgasm.

I'm glad you can remember stuff like that at your age.