Oasis - Stay Young

Underrated not overrated

Noel's run out of other people's ideas. - Robbie Williams 2000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdKR5t-LHV4

Quoting Robbie Williams of all peope lol. It would hold water if Robbie himself had a modicum of talent. What has Robbie Williams ever done talent wise in his career? he didn't play any musical instrument and he didn't write his own songs, he could sing, a bit, but a bit karaoke for a lot of people's money.

Not only did he not write his biggest hit Angels, the sheer amount of times he waffled through explanations as to what the song meant, he being 'co writer with Guy Chambers n'all was laughable. The song was written predominantly by an Irishman who got about 20 grand for it, song made mega millions.

Oasis were essentially a 90's band, before them had gone 30 years of popular music, millions of songs and guitar riffs with it, that's why you hear of so many copyright claims today because just by sheer numbers, there is always bound to be some obscure band or artist who had a similar riff that has been 'ripped off' when in all likeness it's pure coincidence. The more likely rip offs if you want to call it that, are from well know riffs as the more well known bands/artists are there to inspire the next generation and naturally it creeps into your own music, the Beatles themselves clearly had inspiration from Chuck Berry.

Some of them though in that video are very tenuous and clearly put together by someone who was either a Blur fanboy or just really dislikes Oasis.

For me, what's more important is original song writing rather than riffs, that itself has become more difficult over time with fear of copyright issues having millions of unknown written songs made in the past and song writers making a claim for a quick buck.

Worst recent one was Marvin Gaye's 'Got to Give it Up' and Pharrell Williams's 'Blurred Lines', not even close enough for warrant a 7.8 million dollar payout to Marvin Gaye's kids, one of them was bawling their eyes out outside of court almost like she was about to collapse talking about the devastation it caused them, utter bullshit. Just pure greed.

In the future so much time will be spent in courts involving plagiarism cases that 'real musician's might just stop bothering.

s_h

....as long as your happy for Gary Glitter still to receive his royalties.

don't make juvenile points like that.

Only blatant rip offs should end up in court, so many are very tenuous and many over time are bound to be a bit similar, if everyone starts suing everyone else music will suffer in the long run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyZyOOU2ejU

And as for their body of work being nothing but rip offs and formulaic music by numbers, listen to the breadth of work between something like 'Headshrinker' (which has more than a passing nod to Motorhead) back to back with 'The Masterplan' say (rambling Beatlesesque / prog rock crossover).

...and that's before you get into any of their ballads.

Live Forever was Shine A Light by The Stones so there's 4 blatant rip offs on their debut. It doesn't make it any less good to listen to but it undermines their 'talent' which becomes more obvious to me as the years go by, since they were my band when I was growing up. Riverman was the turning point. I've looked at Noel differently after that. It was embarrassing.

On Morning Glory we have an except of Gary Glitter which is acknowledged in the credits, Imagine on Don't Look Back In Anger, She's Electric is a re-working of Married With Children so he's already ripping off himself/running out of ideas, then With A Little help From My Friends thrown in, and as mentioned Step Out which was going to be on the record until the lawyers got involved.

First track on Be Here Now is basically Wonderwall. With hindsight you know the game was up by that point. Blamed that record on coke, even though Bowie can't remember recording Station To Station he was so fcked up. Good songs on later records, Oasis and solo were written in 92/93. He had a great burst then ran out of steam.

Getting sued isn't a barometer of how badly something has been ripped off. It's who owns the rights, how much money is involved, whether they take it as a compliment, whether they would be seen as a hypocrite etc. Bittersweet Symphony being a prime example.

Stay Young is a cracker though. It really should have been on the album ahead of the last 7 key changes of All Around The World

Take Cigarettes and Alcohol. He has stolen the riff but has some brilliant lyrics which were relevant. Makes you sort of ignore the rip off. A rip of with bland lyrics is another matter....

When they were good they were awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAi0xPtlkQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rMK9poTVY

(Liam singing the whole chorus)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN2wR0vwRoQ

That's true.

Difference between Cigarettes and Alcohol and Shakermaker to me is that Cigarettes and Alcohol has something to say. With hindsight I think Shakermaker is pretty poor and always skip it. It has nothing going for it imo.

You are right about taking something and it going in a different direction, like Whatever. Then it's good. When you take the melody of Uptight and put in words that rhyme as in Step Out then that's pretty poor. Just too much. Just how I see it.

I thought The Right Stuff was as good a song as he's done. I suppose I'm disappointed he never pushed himself more and maybe am a bit harsh on him in hindsight because of that.