All diesel and petrol cars to be banned from 2040.

I'll be dead by then, they need to ban the sales of diesels now.
Unfortunately, too much money and jobs tied up in the manufacture of them.
Another fine mess courtesy of Brown and Blair. Those two have a lot to answer for.

I'll be with Jesus ruling from Jerusalem by then.
In my new glorified body. With the whole body of Christ.
By all means draw up more plans.........................

2017 to 2024 half trib.

then Kingdom comes.

We'll all have jet-packs by then shirley.

Fusion powered jet packs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI8scHUxgoc

I remember watching many political shows on tv like weekend world, in the seventies.
The 'scientists' told us oil would be gone within thirty years. They had a frenzy about it. I looked up the what they say now.. one group on google says 55 more years. and BP says we have near inexhaustible supplies. The clip above shows President Carter sweating over what's left in 1977. He wanted to go back to burning shagloads of COAL.
So when you hear the modern opinion think... they are talkin shyte. Oh in the seventies they were talking about the second ice age too? But we are so much smarter now. Our brains have expanded so much in thirty years.

Sad scenes at the petrol station this morning. People were filling up.

it's absurd and shows how clueless our government is.

I'll be amazed if car manufacturers are still making diesel or petrol driven car by 2030.

I'll be even more amazed if joe public are even buying new cars by 2040.

Everyone will be using computer controlled electric vehicles in under ten years.

.. on a service on demand basis, i.e. they won't own them.

They need to get on with increasing generating capacity to meet the future increased demand.

I can only imagine the huge spike in accidents on the roads with electric cars especially amongst the elderly, you can't hear the cars coming

So we won't be able to buy new petrol or diesel cars after 2040.
Then after 2050 they won't be allowed on the roads at all.

I suppose if you buy one just before 2040 the supply of fuel will dwindle dramatically towards 2050. Then stop altogether afterwards.

buying a diesel car in 2039 will look pretty much the same as someone buying a horse and trap today.

They'll put a lollipop stick in the wheels, scandy.

Is this the end of the 'Classic Car' market, if you won't be able to drive them anywhere?

oil producing countries wont be hay, saudis will be skint

Please correct me but do our government not get fortunes in taxation from petrol and diesel, and how do they recoup that ?

why should motorists fund everyone else ?

its not logical ,road tax/road fund also goes in the pot ,everything must change ,gov wages need looked at as well,attracts the wrong sorts ,time to derail the bisto express imo

rt is co2 based so  in trouble thar too....thems the rools

Will be a godsend to the Saudis (and the Russians, and the Qataris and Iranians). Just as cheap US oil makes their petroleum production uneconomical, we agree to open up a huge new market for their natural gas to generate all that extra electricity.

In reality, of course, we'll be importing just as much oil, only now we'll be using it to fire up all the emergency diesel generators needed to avoid chronic blackouts.

So you live in a flat or a terraced house and can't park outside on your own tarmac. What do you do?
You run a cable out your window and across the pavement? Can't wait to see the personal injury claims for people tripping over cables!

So lets say they fill the streets with chargers - how safe are they?

You are in a (perhaps not so nice) terraced street somewhere and come home from work and park 200m away and stick it on charge, assuming you can find a slot, and try to get some kip. How easy is it for the local chavs to mess with the cable? Is it it a simple unplug and walk away giggling?
THAT will be fun and games for bored teenagers. A new age of stress as people can't relax when their car is charging may soon be upon us.

What happens if you get low on juice in the middle of nowhere? Currently anyone can give you a top up with a can. Currently apparently range is just 40 to 200 miles unless you pay top dollar.

Road tax is currently exempt isn't it for emissions free vehicles, that'll have to change or virtually nobody will pay road tax.

The final nail in the coffin is John Snowflake on C4 news seemed to like it, definitely means it's a stupid idea!

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Is this the end of the 'Classic Car' market, if you won't be able to drive them anywhere?


Good point better sell my collection soon

what is you get dirt in the petrol tank and it breaks down.

what if you put diesel in the tank by accident?

what if the spark plugs don't fire.

IS PETROL so reliable?

I saw a BMW 520 duel-fuel car that has a 40 kilometer range on electric power.
Electric cars won't take over until they can do what petrol and diesel cars do.

It takes thirty minutes to charge up at the moment. They should improve on that.

I can still see queues everywhere waiting to charge up.

Where's the faith in Science?

I thought within a few years they were solving the power equation and
getting Fusion to work - unlimited power ??

enough energy in one lump of coal to power a city for days ?

Or

are we kidding ourselves? reliant on coal and oil ?

Haven't read thread but diesel engines should be banned from 2025

2040......do they think we are thick.....rediculous !

All black cabs should be off road when older than 10 years

I have seen P reg black cabs.....something is going on

Same rule for Private Hire Drivers

Apparently the cars will be charged wirelessly, as you drive by "pads" or something on the road. Mind you, this idea was announced by Michael Gove and, given his track record, he won't have thought it through, or even discussed it with any of his colleagues. And it will be kicked into the long grass within weeks, if not days.

by 2040 no one  will be driving    it   self drives by typing in  postcode

it going to be like  living   room  with  tv  and   computer     and    relax  and    have a few      beers

by 2040 - you'll be on the moon again.
repeating the same shyte.

nothing gets done for the people if it costs.

we are going back in time... no NHS, no benefits,no antibiotics.

It'll be kicked into the long grass by future governments, by that time technology will of moved on and a lot of people will buy an electric car by choice. And if this little speck of a country is going to stop using petrol and diesel is the rest of the world going to stop ? Also I remember hearing that China holds about 90% of the minerals needed to make batteries. So more wealth will go to an already emboldened China

No mention of lorries and commercial vehicles all being diesel.

As I said bix, it ain't going to happen

China doesn't hold 90% of the rare earth metals needed for electric motors (and wind turbines and solar panels). They're distributed all over the planet.

It's just that China is a communist country, so has no pollution controls, which means they're cheaper to mine there than anywhere else. Hence 90% of them get purchased from there.

It's just stupidity on the part of the Chinese. Apart from poisoning themselves and their land, they're simply extracting the stuff to sell cheaply now, and when they've extracted the lot, the US will re-open the mines they've had to close and sell the products expensively to China.

The chinese are grabbing all the mineral rights in Africa so will be destroying the environment there for the next 20 years.

already have an electric supply network ,just need the hook up points ,these should be counter sunk in the road and vehicle could be parked on top to cover connector or retractable lead from above ,use some imagination ffs
vehicle will be in touch with owner via phone tech  warning of any issues through charging
offgrid will be possible via solar/wind/wave ect
can see park and ride carparks charging vehicles ,same as supermarket car parks ,in fact anyone could be a supplier ,in time the charging will be dc and wont involve a lead .
there will need to be emergency charging points but the electricity  network is in place ,its no big deal
trucks will go bio fuel although already most have very sophisticated systems to reduce pollution ,some hybrid tech on  buses ect works well with electric doing the low gear work .
agree old taxis being allowed in greenways/bus lanes was a disgrace,taxis should be all electric ,can charge on rank

the chinese are not doing anything others have not already done  ,the grabbing is actually buying imo
the elements needed are spread all over,south america has more than its fair share .

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You could have induction charging which would require no physical connection.
The main problem, apart from generating capacity is transmission energy loss. Also I suspect most of the straightforward gains in battery technology have already been won. Battery capacity and weight per kwh are crucial.

Induction charging? And there will be no downsides electrically or medically with littering the country with a high density of very high power electromagnetic wave sources? Just look at how people react to the very low power waves out of mobile phones or even smartmeters!

Once the zombie apocalypse happens all the electric drivers will be scrooed. I'll be totally Mad Maxing it up in a pimped out 1998 nissan micra.

nice choice of vehicle

Good, start sucking up now and you might be my #2, instead of sent to the thunderdome

It's a semi serious point though, if this comes to pass, any major distribution to electrical power would be utterly castrophic to all personal and perhaps non personal transport, it would kill the country stone dead at a stroke. Any natural or man made disaster or interference. Everything will be 100% reliant on the NG, and when you put all your eggs in one basket.

I hope they aren't planning on a Challenger 3 electric tank to appease the &&&&ing Green Lobby! AFAIK many tanks are quite the opposite, they run on petrol or diesel (and probably KFC chicken fat).

It would be no different to being near a small transformer, JC, same principle. You would only need induction in areas where a cable is not acceptable, like crossing a pavement. They would need to make sure it's safe for exceptional cases such as people with a pacemaker but with the power transfer rates required for a battery it's not likely to be a problem.

I can just see the future
Chit Chat 3rd March 2031
Zorrostrikes - Subject: Electric car induction loops .. Brain Cancer?

According to his rapture schedule, he will be looking down from heaven by then. There is every chance that I will be gone too although it will be t' other place.

a challenger on neat petrol would pink  and run flat as fook,a bucket of cc p!ss would be much more suitable,move up the road effortlessly  ,spitting tarmac out like a wood chipper being fed mdf .


disruption to fossil fuel supply/distribution is more of a problem ,we dont rely on any single source for lecky and vehicles could be charged independently from lecky network via a renewable generated DC supply  ,a slow charge from solar would be ideal ,they can utilise any dc voltage  ,any solar array configuration would be fine

there is some new giant capacitor tech in the pipeline as well ,so makes stored solar look viable ,giant battery tech also possible but transfer losses will come into play.

of course in winter we need help ,gas fired generation ect ....nuclear is ok but loath to go thar due to bad form in the book , both chernobyl and fukushima should never have happened but they did .

May have already Be mentioned ,but Battery life Major in this WTF are they going to do with all the Millions/billions of Shxgged Batteries where are they going ,can hardly Bury them or dump them at sea ,can see major pollution
issues .

JC also Correct ,Wtf will people who live in Big Cities  Do, those that Live in Flats etc What do u do haul ur battery up to the Flat every Night

I have been in a couple of Hybrids has to be the Most boring experience Driving wise Practically silent ,My opinion is
that it is a complete Load of Shyte ..

Can u imagine the Yanks all driving round in Electric cars ,IT AINT HAPPENING

IT WILL...hth

The fuel will stop being produced by large entities so will become very expensive

as far as i am aware lithium is fully recyclable ,the current issue is cost compared to new mined Li
everything on a vehicle must be recoverable and recyclable .
problem atm is there is not enough Li batteries needing recycled compared to other bats which are more commercially viable due to profit from recoverable metals.

this will change as more Li-ion bats become available for decommissioning .


the truth about combustion engine pollution has never been told ,cities will be all electric

they cant say you must pay to pollute and then deny pollution free vehicles cause they need the revenue from pollution

Unless you have your own secure parking, and I guess that's a minority of Brits, charging your electric car will be too problematic. But it doesn't matter as most people won't own one. Why bother when cheap, on demand autonomous vehicles are available.

The problem with electric vehicles, apart from charging difficulties, is they are simply too expensive, and with Lithium prices going thru the roof, they aren't going to get cheaper in the medium term.

And the current subsidies are completely unsustainable, and they will have to be taxed at the same rate as other vehicles. But even with hefty subsidies, the numbers sold are tiny.

Anyone watch formula-e ,it's on Channel 5 just now ,some interesting sounds ,looks rapid  as well ,F1 lost touch with reality years ago but formula-e looks a meaningful discipline .                                                                                                                      Have a look pxb  ,them motors are making sweet music

The cars will  need to  be made to Make some sort of Fairly Audible Sound ,Pedestrian Casualties will rocket other wise ...

Can you imagine having one of them **** Ports outside every house on your Street

Leop absolutely No chance that USA will be an electric car Country ,None

"cities will be all electric"

Good Let them Crack on it

on With It

The cxnt lives next door to me has 2 Jeeps and two other Motors  ,Think he may have a few Problems

Not to mention His wifes Motor

"Not to mention His wifes Motor"
I take it you don't live in Saudi Arabia then?

Cue road rage vids on youtube fighting over the last power point in the car park.

It looks like I'll have to get a Shooters licence and stock up an arsenal of firearms. No Greenie is going to take my cars away from me. I love emissions! Nothing better than firing up a 40 year old V12 Jaguar engine (pollution control removed of course. Not that it was ever much good.) Got to pour petrol in the tanks as it's running it fxcking GUZZLES!!

The thought of getting around in an overgrown slot car makes me want to puke. A car is virtually a living thing. Vital fluids running through it. A face at the front. Character. A miracle of human endeavour. There'll be blood in the streets if they force this on us!!

diesel should be banned full stop - carcinogen ,causes no end of breathing difficulties   - for a non smoker this is as bad as   when smoking was allowed in public places  - you can't walk anywhere urban without getting a gulp of this foul  substance

I love a diesel. Most efficient engine in the world. They barely have emissions these days. Ad Blue.