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Nothing happens for a whole year, questions routinely knocked back as standard, guy turns up without any notes doesnt look like hes got a clue.
Now the rhetoric is 'transitional period' being used into the lexicon.
You can bet your arse this wont happen, politics is about creating an agenda in the mindset of the people, they are conditioning the mentality to accept it wont happen.
It doesnt matter how you vote.....and perhaps thats a good thing.
Ancient Greece lorded people up one minute then threw them under the chariot the next and thats all politics now does.
Nothing happens for a whole year, questions routinely knocked back as standard, guy turns up without any notes doesnt look like hes got a clue.
Now the rhetoric is 'transitional period' being used into the lexicon.
You can bet your arse this wont happen, politics is about creating an agenda in the mindset of the people, they are conditioning the mentality to accept it wont happen.
It doesnt matter how you vote.....and perhaps thats a good thing.
Ancient Greece lorded people up one minute then threw them under the chariot the next and thats all politics now does.
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Here was the hint but people don't mind helping the politicians drag their careers for a couple more years on an issue where the result was clear from day 1.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/21/barack-obama-britain-must-vote-to-remain-in-the-european-union/ |
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If we do stay the EU will probably insist we lose Maggie's rebate and thus the £350 million figure on that bus
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If you give the people the option to do the wrong thing they will just out of spite, this is the modern democracy, the result of seeing politicians manipulate the scene for too long.
Politics is finished. |
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"guy turns up without any notes doesnt look like hes got a clue."
This sort of statement just shows how the anti Brexit media can so easily manipulate certain "types" of folk.... |
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After the way the BBC has been so anti Brexit, I'd be quite happy to see the Tories abolish the license fee, and half the 'ers get their p45s..
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I take it you are confident its all going swimmingly then?
Even though a 'divorce fee' wasnt even mentioned, let alone what it would be. |
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As George O said
We didn't even try. Yep next  |
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Would have been helpful if the politicians had agreed between themselves.
Boris doesnt want to give a whistle, others now reluctantly agree a fee but have no idea how much. Hardly inconsequential either. But then that secret money tree solves all probs doesnt it? |
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But then that secret money tree solves all probs doesnt it?
 Like student debt for example?  All of these running commentaries on Brexit, when we don't really know what is going on behind the scenes, are worthless and are just someone pushing their personal agenda. |
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Well have you witnessed anyone who has said the agreements can be completed in the limited time....whether ministers have their homework with em or not?
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No I haven't and it's obvious they can't tie up all the ends by 2019. We will officially "leave" but negotiations will carry on. The leave date will sanction the opening of official trade talks with other nations. I think they will still be chewing the cud in 5 years time and I suspect many other things will have changed in the EU by then giving a quite different perspective.
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Well its a gradual change of rhetoric.
I see it as a release of expectancy that brings people around to the reality....one where the older gen. dont really give a fook how badly it might turn out. Its going to be a dog's dinner whatever happens because people are too feckless to consider anything other than their own desires. |
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The EU is an Undemocratic bully run primarily for Germany and the poorer countries
who get money for nothing. |
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We have heard all this Dan, but only seen beaucracy since.
When we start to see the manifestation of the actions I believe people are going to see a s hitpot full of issues. |
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No, I don't agree with that. Those who take an interest do care how it turns out regardless of age. Young people seem more concerned about being able to travel or work in Europe after Brexit, a selfish if important consideration. But how many young British people actually do go and work in Europe and which social groups do they belong to?
I went to work in France for a number of years and I went before we joined the then Common Market. A few official hoops to jump through but by no means impossible and it will be no harder than that after we leave. |
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The very fact the ministers are gradually changing tact isnt a worry to you?
There was the NHS payment stat, then the non mention of divorce, then the assurance that trade wouldnt be effected Now its an arbritrary overlap period. Next it will be...'what brexit'? |
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That was for Dusty's older gen post.
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Bound to be an overlap period as there is just too much to get through.
Prior to Maastricht and the single market, I was involved in discussions regarding a list of chemicals to be drawn up by a narrow section of the chemical industry for the UK submission for a specialised use related to the food industry. Just a tiny part of market harmonisation across the community in advance of the agreement. This took several years and lots of work by the representatives of the companies involved. The same would have been taking place in all the community countries. It's just not possible to get all the details of the trade agreements in place in such a short period of time. |
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Im not suggesting getting the agreements would be done in time.
What Im saying is the rhetoric used is changing as time passes. Not to mention all the disagreements between those charged with doing the negotiations. |
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Yes, the rhetoric is changing, it's like a boxing match, round one is different from round five for example. Things are probably calming down a bit now people start to see what can and can't be done in the timescale. One thing of which I'm fairly certain is that we will leave the EU in March 2019. How far they will be down the road with various negotiations is anybody's guess.
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I can see a rescue agreement being in place before then for them to accept us back all hugs and kisses
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Haha, now you're into wishful thinking. Not saying it can't happen but doubtful as even a "rescue" agreement would involve all 27 members being in agreement with it.
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Had there been genuine data given to the electorate before and during the ref. then Id have had more confidence in the outcome being one of reasonable assesment.
There was no such thing, which implies the people just used it to revolt, and that those charged with acting out dont know any better either how things will plan out. |
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To put all the details into the public domain would have required a pretty hefty booklet to be prepared and distributed. How many do you think would have taken the trouble to read and assess it? People vote on gut instinct and perceived personal benefit with any proper examination of the issues.
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Why would they have had a reasoned assesment anyway?
we all know it was the swivel eyed loons who wanted it and the rest just wanted to stop the ukip bleed which they assumed was a cake walk |
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I believe we are in a period of anti-politic, where whoever calls the original point and makes their case gets the opposite outcome based on a distrust of the system.
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Its a time for kicking whoever they can because the system doesnt work.
I also dont really care what happens, but those who get asked the question look at the intent first and are prepared to suffer the consequences. The human is made to survive the harshest of conditions...if they can drag others in then thats what will happen. |
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Continued membership of the EU means accepting many constraints as does leaving the EU.
Impossible to fully assess all aspects of it. So many issues affecting everything we do and what sort of society we wish to live in as well as the future economy and who makes the decisions from immigration into the EU to who makes the laws and who interprets them. I have neither the time nor the inclination to go through them. |
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But the point of order wasnt about assesing the minute detail, they were expecting a result as a given, just like the election
both cases were by the tory for the tory and the people had non of it |
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The politican sets up an agenda now sets their stall creates the story and the electorate comes and kicks the arse out of it like its the end of the world
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Whether or not it was a good decision to call the referendum is not known. All we do know is that it was precipitated by growing political dissent responding to a groundswell of public opinion. The EU had an opportunity to deflect it but chose not to give Cameron anything worthwhile to play with. An arrogant assumption on their part that the British electorate would toe the line in the face of concerted propaganda to remain. They were wrong.
I'm off for a while now Dusty, I'll look in later and add anything if I see fit.  |
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I doubt very much we'll leave the EU. I voted out but the obfuscation has been incredible.
The fascists win, the democrats lose. Hope you know what you're doing!!! |
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Brexit means Brexit.i think there will be another vote about leaving and then another one after that until they get the stay in vote and the we will hear"the people have spoken"
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I take it you all caught Nick Clegg sticking his oar in the other day, that there should be another referendum and not only that, people under 30 (or 35, can't remember) (below cut off at which predominantly voted remain) should have votes that count double! Worrapieceofwhatdogsleaveinparks.
Small south american nations can only dream of rigging votes as badly as that liberal democrat wants. Remoaners take the biscuit. |
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Brexit means Brexit as Eirexit meant Eirexit iyam.
Somehow another vote will be engineered |
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lets hope so, and lets give the vote to 16 year olds, who are after all, the ones who are most impacted by the decision
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lets hope so, and lets give the vote to 16 year olds, who are after all, the ones who are most impacted by the decision
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