Israel kicking off now.

Im just wondering. Have we ever provided European troops to the Israelis, like we have to America for all of the wars in the middle east?

No NO NO - the Russians are the enemy. Not the nation that pumps out
Porn, weapons,nukes,lawyer tv shows, and can't look after their own people
properly through healthcare. 1000 bases worldwide.
The Japanese can't get them out of their country, they'e tried.

It's a genuine question. If the Israelis haven't been able to get rid of the palestinian problem in 5 years, how is it that we haven't yet attempted to liberate them? Or have we done that at some point?

Palestine exists - Trans Jordan was formed by the UN in 1948.

It's not enough to eat your 73 percent of the cake they want the other bit too.

Arabs living in Palestine in 1947 (67 percent of total population) get 73 percent of land.
Jews living in Palestine in 1947 (30 percent of total population)get 27 percent of the land
Christians living in the land in 1947 (3 percent) get sweet FA.

The land was owned by the TURKS (1517-1917) then Britain (1917-47)
There were no Palestinians, only arabs.

The UK is four nations on one strip. Should the Scottish, Welsh and Irish fK off? They occupy the land, they own it. It's the rule of occupation.

Kicking off .. how .. are they firing guns n **** .. one too many oil shandy's to drink

The Grand Mufti wasn't happy.

6.7 earthquake at the location of the Seven Churches ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40677825

http://www.unsealed.org/2017/07/earthquake-strikes-greece-and-turkey.html?showComment=1500753261341#c1763836019877328225

The Lord is knocking ...

U been on Holiday Tril ??

Not really Case.  Just taking a break from the bevvy.  I was getting a wee bit dafter than usual.  Been dry for over a month now ... that's a world record in my life!

Forgot this ... https://www.rt.com/news/397214-clashes-israeli-palestinians-rt-arabic/

nice to see you back tril

Jul 20, 2017 -- 5:09PM, detraveller wrote:

It's a genuine question. If the Israelis haven't been able to get rid of the palestinian problem in 5 years, how is it that we haven't yet attempted to liberate them? Or have we done that at some point?

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*50

Holiday Adverts all over the TV Wtf would want to go there ,U nearly get ur rsehole Inspected applying for a Visa

Cheers Case

What's all the problem with metal detectors being installed anyway?

One of the places I really want to go to case

I can see the attraction Hank but the dangers would put me off.

Was lucky enough to visit during the peace process
would'nt go now though

All about opinions aka, but I'd feel safer in Israel than Paris tbh. If I went I probably would avoid Jerusalem anyway.

Security forces have surrounded the Israeli embassy in the Jordanian capital, Amman, amid reports of an attack.

A BBC reporter at the scene says the immediate vicinity has been locked down but authorities have not released details.

Media reports citing security sources say one person is dead and one injured. The BBC has not be able to verify this.

Israeli authorities are believed to be evacuating embassy staff.

The heavily protected embassy is located in the Rabiyeh neighbourhood, a residential district of Amman.

On Friday, thousands of Jordanians protested in Amman against Israel over the installation of metal detectors at a site sacred to both Muslims and Jews in Jerusalem.

Jordan is the custodian of Muslim religious sites in the city.

http://www.dw.com/en/israel-playing-with-fire-with-palestinians-in-jerusalem...

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan condemned Israel's security precautions at the site, before he departed for a visit to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar.

"No one can expect the Islamic world to remain unresponsive after the humiliation Muslims suffered with the restrictions at the Noble Sanctuary."

Pope Francis said on Sunday he was alarmed by the violence and called for dialogue and moderation to help restore peace.

"I am following with trepidation the grave tension and violence of recent days in Jerusalem. I feel the need to express a heartfelt call for moderation and dialogue," the pope told pilgrims gathered under blazing sunshine in St Peter's Square.

The United Nations Security Council announced on Saturday it would meet on Monday to discuss the situation after Sweden, Egypt and France urgently requested the meeting.

Three months in the future...you look back at this...just another israel-pal conflict. Nothing to see here.

No one answered my question though. Have you all blocked me?

There is only me who has you unblocked.

Can I build a christian Church at Mecca?

This is the site of two Jewish Temples.

the third holiest site to muslims?
the night journey -
Muhammid had a dream that he went up to god from the furthest mosque, on his
winged horse Pegasus(i mean Buraq), the mosque was not named by him?
It was later decided to fk up the jews.

in this story, which never was in the quran. that's how holy it was?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra_and_Mi%27raj

the abomination which makes desolate. BURAQ.

Attack peoples views not their Religion religion is usually an excuse.

BONKERS!!

can i have an acre next to the Kaaba to build a church,
also referred as al-ka`bah al-musharrafah (The Holy Kaaba),

I had a dream Jesus said i was to jump up and down on a black cube in Mecca 100 times.

it'll be the third holiest church in Christendom?

Holy moly

Has the BBC reported on this yet? I see Sky and RT has mentioned it.
they blame the metal detectors? not the two arabs that murdered the cops in the alley?

Israel needs to tell Jordan to FK off home. Israel belongs to Israel.
having an island in the middle of London that's owned by the soviet union
would not be acceptable.

Still no one has answered my simple question, namely, why don't we just help Israel finish off the palestinian militants? Palestine is only 4 and a half million people. If we could do Iraq and Afghanistan which is about 9 times more, why can't we help the Israelis get rid of this problem? I know America does help with weapons but even they haven't yet given full military support to the israelis.

I'm intrigued as to why you believe Israel would need any assistance if it decided to finish off Palestinian militants. Israel has already shown that when it comes to dealing with existentialist threats it is more than capable of dealing with the combined might of the Arab world - you must surely be aware that since the last time it happened Israel has become a nuclear power while the medievalists lined up against it have regressed further - much further in fact - to the Stone Age than they were in 1967?

Israel doesn't really need to finish off any Palestinian militants because they are no more than a minor irritant in the grand scheme of things.

detraveller is trying to point the blame on us again, he's like that.

I know lfc, he's a knee-jerk hater of America and all its allies, but I like to toy with him when I'm bored.

I didn't think you were fooled by his nonsense for one minute jed  : )

Jul 24, 2017 -- 12:52PM, jed.davison wrote:

I'm intrigued as to why you believe Israel would need any assistance if it decided to finish off Palestinian militants. Israel has already shown that when it comes to dealing with existentialist threats it is more than capable of dealing with the combined might of the Arab world - you must surely be aware that since the last time it happened Israel has become a nuclear power while the medievalists lined up against it have regressed further - much further in fact - to the Stone Age than they were in 1967?Israel doesn't really need to finish off any Palestinian militants because they are no more than a minor irritant in the grand scheme of things.

Then why does it not? Wouldn't it be easier to just solve the problem through one war rather than starting a conflict every few years and having to explain it all to UN and at other forums where Israelis often face criticism(including in Europe and America).

And i know I talk nonsense. But talking nonsense isn't banned on the forum is it? Especially not on a forum called chit chat, i would think.

now now detraveller, don't play the injured party.
It doesn't suit you and I don't believe it.

Israel is a democracy detraveller, which means the Government there answers to the people - starting wars every time it sees fit is not universally popular with an educated population, this is the same the world over.

As I said, if push were to come to shove, Israel could deal with all those backward tyrannies without batting an eyelid.

Furthermore, various Israeli Governments have attempted to engage the Palestinians in peace talks, but ultimately the greater Arab population of the Levant are not interested in peace with Israel, only the detruction of Israel, and the various tyrannies ranged against Israel are not interested in solving the problems of the Palestinian people. They are more interested in prolonging the suffering of their fellow Arabs so that their condition can be used a stick with which to beat Israel.

I understand all that. What you are pointing out isn't a recent problem. israelis should have figured out by now what the Arabs want. Yet for 50 years they have been alternating in peace talks and bombings. 50 years should have been enough to find out how interested the next party is. They haven't figured that out yet, but we are supposed to figure out if it was the 2 arabs who killed the policemen who started the recent conflict, or was it the metal detectors at the mosque that started it? Surely that is irrelevant? For 50 years 2 parties are at each other and we are still wondering, was it the 2 arabs or the metal detectors?

...which takes me back to the earlier comment i made. Three months in the future...you look back at this...just another israel-pal conflict. Nothing to see here.

I doubt detraveller has ever talked to a Muslim.

I told you above what the Arabs want, and it's not like it's a secret known only to me. The Arabs want nothing less than the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews. You know this full well and it will be hard for us to have a grown-up debate on the subject unless you are ready to acknowledge it.

When you are dealing with people like Hamas, who arrange the indiscriminate bombing of Israel knowing that Palestinians will die in the response, there can be no chance of peace.

listen to what they say.

Of course I acknowledge that. And you are saying exactly the thing i am saying, that there can be no chance of peace. So israel basically only has two options. Destroy Palestine in one go or just play the peace and war game like they are doing. They have been doing the latter for 50 years. It just doesn't work.

I understand that you are implying that if Israel did destroy Palestine, the whole Arab world would turn on them. But I really dont see how thats possible. We are friends with Saudi Arabia. We are in Iraq. Syria can't do anything in its current state. There is only Iran that can and has threatened Israel. But they have to fly over Iraq or Saudi Arabia to do that and we are friends with one of them, and our military bases are present in another. Which brings me to my origianl point, why haven't we or the americans helped Israel more, when we have not wasted any time in helping the very arab countries that you say want israel destroyed?

Israel does not want to destroy Palestine.

I wasn't implying that at all. All I said was that if the Arab world were ever follish enough to attempt another all-out war with Israel, the result would be the same as the last couple of times they tried it, only worse.

And Iran is not an Arab nation - it may intervene on behalf of its fellow Muslims, but it too know that it would come a distant second.

detraveller seems to be suggesting that Israel, with our help should destroy Palestine .

He's not saying that lfc, he is merely using the argument to expose what he believes is ours and America's hypocrisy, as always.

The Middle East seems a complete basket case. I am starting to think all these people deserve each other. It' is hard to say they are just as bad as each other but they do deserve each other!

I hope the young people on both sides of the divide realise there is more to life.

Yes, that us the level of nonsense that the leftists and anti American and anti British types can come up with.

* that detraveller can come up with.

Iran's not arab, my mistake. I just grouped them together because of geo proximity

You can conveniently label me leftie and anti-american. But I do think my question is at least worth asking. America has bombed 14 muslim countries since 1980. It has bombed Iran, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Kuwait, most of them multiple times. Yet it hasn't bombed Palestine, a country(?) that actively engages in war against Israel. Why am I not allowed to ask, why the americans haven't helped the Israelis more actively?

Outside the arab world, America has bombed Al Qaeda and Taliban in Afghanistan and TTP in Pakistan. Yet it has never bothered doing anything against Hamas, when Hamas is a much smaller force than Al qaeda or Taliban were at their peak. That is my query.

There he goes again, stirring up trouble.

they seem to be intent on destroying an entire people and stealing their land,wouldnt you agree ifc1971?

If any Palestinian has a claim to land or property lost , take it to court.
And if any Jews have a claim to land and property lost when they had to flee Muslim countries, and N.African countries ,
Take that to court also.

I used to Have Dealings With the Embassy in Kensington Was never the Easiest Place to get into Hank , Having an Isreali Airport stamp in your passport Practically Barred you from entry into a Lot of Arab Countries ,Regular Buisness Men visiting the Middle east would have to Have 2/3 Passports on the Go if they had dealings with Isreal.

There are numerous ARAB nations, only one nation called Israel for the Jews.
It was there thousands of years ago and it's there now.
Palestine exists
Palestine exists, It's called JORDAN. it was called TRANS JORDAN in 1948.
They got 73 percent of the LAND. To intimate that there is no right for
the Jews to exist on that land is fallacious. They were on it. Thirty percent
of the population(jews) at the time got 27 percent of the land.

JORDAN is PALESTINE. not happy with their portion, they want the other piece
of the cake. Israel should have stepped up in 1967 and told them to FK off.
Take control of their own land. But they walked softly.

Muhammad was dead for many years before they took Jerusalem in the 7th century.
How Jerusalem could have been the mosque he ascended to heaven from is a mystery?
they built the mosque years later. It's spite by Arabs that are keeping the Israelis off the Temple mount. They have MECCA and refuse the Jews their version of MECCA.

The Israeli's stole plenty of land from the Arabs and are doing it today. When they want to take over Arab land they turn off the electricity and water to the area and hope the Arabs will leave then they claim it for themselves.

I am not surprised the people thrown off their land have a hatred for the Israeli's who have stolen and occupied their lands. At the moment I have little sympathy for either side however. If there is a God he put them together!

Given how the Jews were treated by the Nazis I find it hard to believe that they would want to inflict such hardship on another race given the way they suffered mans inhumanity to man

protestors from both sides on the streets of London,a slight disagreement about this temple lark,burning of flags etc etc

Given how the Jews were treated in the past and the dangers they face today and in the future it is perhaps a surprise that they are so moderate. Everyone can live peacefully regardless of religion in a democratic Israel.

About 20% of the people in Israel are Muslim , are they happy to live in a free and democratic and westernised Israel ?
It's possible .

The division of the land into Israel and Palestine is not so unusual , this sort of thing has happened in many parts of the world before and since . Germany itself was divided after the war. And it really only became a unified country about 100 years ago
Italy also unified fairly recently . Czech Republic and Slovakia split into two countries, India and Pakistan had to partition because of religion, Yugoslavia and the Balkans divided partly by religion and politics and nationalism.
So the point is to try and manage these changes and make things better, more free and democratic and peaceful for the individuals living in these countries.

The idea of countries and seperate identity and allegiance to a particular country is becoming increasingly meaningless in the modern world. What does it mean in Britain for example.

The Palestinians in the Israel side should have left to go to the Jordanian side - PALESTINE. They didn't do it in 1948. The Jews in the Palestine side of Jordan moved.
To Israel. It's rich that they believe the land is theirs. It's seventy years later
and they still deny Israel a right to exist.
the bible described them as stubborn mules. Sons of Esau.
Israel has not stolen any more land, they lost it when they went to war
against them. At one stage Israel occupied half of Egypt. They gave it back.
By force of arms, they could have kept it. The sinai.
they've kept the other land as buffers. Because they expect more conflicts.
Which the bible says will be soon. The prophecy of Ezekiel.
Atomic war.

like the gaza strip that's bombed everyday, water and mains turned off most of the time,dont think that makes things better,oh yeah plus disease and little food

Stop talking sense zorro, it disturbs my equilibrium.

get the message - go to Jordan/Palestine.
Israel is going to offer a bribe to each of them to FK off home to Palestine.
$50,000 each. It's been proposed.

the bible described them as stubborn mules. Sons of Esau.

Do you mean Eeyore?

They could have an Arab PM soon , George Deek , he is one for the notebook.  Things might change a little then.

Israel has not stolen any more land,

Israel has not stolen any more land, they lost it when they went to war

Zorro

First of all Israeli's steal arab land all the time. Like I said before they turn off the electricity and water, build walls around property to restrcit access and over time force the legal occupants off the land and then claim it for themselves.

Secondly if you are saying all id fair in love and war then you cannot object to arabs fighting to get their land back by any means neccessary? In effect you support Hamas!

I'm for Israel owning their own land in their own borders.
They should rely on God and take the bull by the horns.
Shove these squaters out of their country.
they've been slitting their families throats (literally this week)
If the land is in their 1967 borders, push them out.

You don't keep a wolf indoors with you.

There is a plethora of surrounding Arab nations.
They have proposed giving them a bribe to FK off.
$50,000 each.
PALESTINE(JORDAN) is a good area. take the money and
re house in Jordan.
But they don't want to get on with their lives
the arabs are stymieing the Jews.
There are arabs on record saying that the Jews
can't value their god very much to leave the
temple mount to another country to look after.