god's will

There could be a shortage of discus throwers in Heaven...

TBH he's got enough "promising footballers" to field an entire league.

Providence is a powerful force, and the Lord moves in mysterious ways.

Cue a copy and paste from zorro

How are the Guardian covering it, "Pole kills disabled Muslim man in Newham."

Allah Akbar

saddo

non of you have any respect for the 'religion' which will be yours in the future

embrace before it is too late

none

It is proven in a number of hadeeths that the Prophe said that the one who dies by drowning, or because of the plague or a stomach disease (diarrhoea) is a martyr. So the one who dies of the plague is a martyr, the one who dies of a stomach disease is a martyr, the one who drowns is a martyr, the one who is crushed by a falling wall is a martyr, the one who is killed for the sake of Allah is a martyr, the one who dies for the sake of Allah is a martyr, and there are a number of others who are martyrs.

This is by the grace of Allah, so that this ummah will have an advantage in terms of great reward, but the best of them are those who are martyred for the sake of Allah, who are killed for the sake of Allah. They are the best, and they are not to be washed (ghusl), and the funeral prayer is not to be offered for them, for they are alive with their Lord and given provision. Martyrs other than those who were martyred for the sake of Allah, such as those who died of a stomach disease or the plague, or those who were killed by falling walls or drowned, are to be washed and the funeral prayer is to be offered for them. Included with them are those who die in vehicle rollovers and car crashes; they are likened to the one who is crushed beneath a falling wall, and there is the hope that they will have the status of martyrdom, but they are to be washed and the funeral prayer is to offered for them, as is done for those who die of stomach diseases or drowning. End quote.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him)

Fataawa Noor ‘ala al-Darb, 3/1426

That clears that up then.  (Moisms - chptr 4.01)

nobody goes to heaven when they die, yet again another misconception that people have.
because reading the bible is the last thing to do in their important lives. too busy mate.
got to unload the truck. too busy chap i have to get to London by 4pm.
busy busy bees. making money is important, my soul can wait.

there is a handful of men in the bible that are in heaven now. the rest wait till God's trumpet blows. Jesus meets them in the air(no touch down on earth). Harpazo translated to rapio(latin).

Rapture - The English word comes from a Latin word, rapio, which means to seize or snatch in relation to an ecstasy of spirit or the actual removal from one place to another. In other words, it means to be carried away in spirit or in body. The Rapture of the church means the carrying away of the church from earth to heaven.

The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17

You will often see people from developing countries using the words like God's will or God willing. Anyone who has a problem with it can go live in some of those countries and you will realize why you need to use words like that. When you don't get wwhats your right, you have to calm yourself down with something and most often it is the belief that whatever happens, happens for a reason and God chose the best for you through whatever bad just happened to you. It has nothing to do with God getting bored and throwing lightning on someone or whatever. 'But it's God will' is another way of saying well i can't do anything about it so i'll just calm myself by saying its God's will and he's decided the best for me.

travelling man

NO IT'S NOT

hope this helps

1.01 landed.

I am a devout Epicurian. Epicurus stated:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

I am sure this clarifies the matter and provides a satisfactory conclusion to the debate.

of course i could be wrong. But when I hear an arab say it that's how I understand it. They use the words God willing even when they plan a breakfast in the city for the next morning. They'll use it when they decide which tube station they will all meet at. or what they'll do after a game etc. I thought you told me you lived in the middle east for a long time? You should know how often they use the word in a day if you've lived with them, like you claim to.

The GOD of this world is Satan. Blame Satan he's in charge.
He has the authority. He's the boss. Until you change allegiances.
The Muslims know this - they say everyone in the world is Muslim
until you declare you are something else. Born Muslim.
Catholics say - born with original sin.
Jesus emphasizes being BORN AGAIN. Satan does not rule Hell.
He rules Earth. God rules Heaven.
Until the land lease is over, God must respect his word and allow
evil to do it's thing. It's part of the refining process.
You have to want something better. You are in a world of flesh,
and it's corrupt, fallen creation.
God can make a million earths, earth is nothing. All his energy
is devoted to redemption of souls. That's the real creation in this universe.
men will die, in a million ways, can you find the truth and can you live with it.
Can you surrender your pride and sins. Can you accept another authority over you.
Are you a chief or an indian.

I wonder if the fact that there is a Highway to Hell as opposed to only a Stairway to Heaven is an accurate reflection in numbers expected in those respective places.

It's why gravity was invented, Dr Slicer.

Mr Foinavon- I am sure that a forumite as highly edumacated as what you is knows that gravity was DISCOVERED and not invented. I hope this enhances your knowledge of scientifically orientated matters.

Yes, but assuming it was all fabricamated by God, he and Satan colluded to make it easier to go down to Hell than up to heaven which is how gravity was invented. This divine plan was discovered for mankind 6000 years later by Mr Newton who happened to be seated under the tree of knowledge at the time.
I'm sure all this can be confirmed by Mr Zorro from his studies of the divine will.

There is no Divine Will as the Almighty never got it signed by 2 witnesses!

Who will inherit the universe then? Oh I forgot, god is immortal so no need for a divine will.

Mr Zorro claims that from his studies of the scriptures he can deduce the divine will, but if the divine will doesn't exist, what then?

TV Prog yesterday-Forbidden History-Mary Magdalene-fascinating.

Was that on the BBC?

No-Yesterday Channel 19 Freeview.

Thanks, will see if I can find it on playback somewhere.

Newton wrote over a million words about the book of Revelation and Daniel.
he took the bible seriously. As does Satan. All of the upper crust and ruling
class pay due reverence. Because they know without GOD nothing exists.
It's when you slip down the mole hill you see blatant rejection of GOD.
because they are sons of CAIN. Salvation through works. The bible says all
works on earth are to be burnt up. Your works do not save you.
Hearing God's word saves you. Not reading it. Hearing it.
Cain brought veg to the sacrifice, the works of his hands. Self Justification.
His Brother brought a lamb, bred for the sacrifice. reflection of Christ's sacrifice.

Newton voted the greatest physicist of all time named 2016 as the start of the end.
the tribulation. Along with others whom he corresponded with. His contemporaries.
In December 2016 the UN voted against Israel to divide the land. The first vote against them that got through, the USA did not block it as usual.
This is a bad bad thing to do - God has a habit of taking umbrage at such actions.
Divide Israel? no Divide the USA. Divide those against Israel.

year 5777(2017) started in October 1st 2016. Ends in September 21st 2017. Hebrew religious calendar.
http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?v=1&geo=geoname&geonameid=5128581&m=50&month=x&year=now&c=on&s=on&maj=on&min=on&mod=on&mf=on&ss=on&nx=on

year 5777(2017) started in October 1st 2016. Ends in September 21st 2017. Hebrew religious calendar.

That's not a year, Zoz, 10 days short. Has the Earth speeded up in its orbit of the sun? I haven't heard anything from the scientific community.
So it's all happening by the equinox, not long before we see the fireworks.

The answer to this is that the year is 365 days, but to you if you pay cash, 355!

Yer on form tonight saddo

Jul 13, 2017 -- 10:25AM, Foinavon wrote:

year 5777(2017) started in October 1st 2016. Ends in September 21st 2017. Hebrew religious calendar.That's not a year, Zoz, 10 days short. Has the Earth speeded up in its orbit of the sun? I haven't heard anything from the scientific community.So it's all happening by the equinox, not long before we see the fireworks.

Its 354 days for a lunar calendar. And as far as i know they follow the lunarcalendar and then add a month in the leap years to set it straight with the solar calendar.

religion is just made up b0ll0cks

anyone who believes a word of it needs mental help

anyone seen the latest propaganda effort to come from channel 4

about to burst on to our screens - I hope it is going to bomb as a programme

ha ha

every fourth year they add a month. comes out the same

it's been going 5,777 years... write in and tell them it's wrong.

i think the cricket rules need changing too.

Hey Zorro.  Have you seen this one before?  35 minutes worth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn_l2yS6H2o&feature=youtu.be#t=549.4044506

Published on 27 Dec 2016 - Missionary Evangelist Robert Breaker talks about September 23, 2017, and the big "sign" in the heavens that many are talking about and how it might tie into the stars, and even the date of September 23, 2015.

The guy explains things very well, imo - although there were a couple of things I wasn't too sure about.  Well worth a watch ... especially toward the end.

keep watching game of thrones...paganism(evil) and dragons(satan).

everything they are throwing at you now in the last Jubilee year is blatant
messaging - The Mummy with Tom Cruise is an evil vampire mummy who wants to
awaken Set(satan) and bring him back to the world.
mirroring the real life narrative of Spirit cooking and the spirit of Jezebel
ushering in the Anti Christ. Like John the Baptist before Christ.
The counterfeit copying of God's plans.
More and More dark tales to get you adjusted to what is over the hill.

You don't need the star sign, it's just the cherry on the cake.
I'll have a look at it anyway.
the big arrow for me is that it's 40 jubilees from Christ being born.
I can't see it being stretched another one. because that would be
120 years from Israels birth, it throws out all the other factors.
What with the middle east being pounded to dust now, it makes sense
it's going to all be revealed this year.
Violent crimes on increase, mad acceleration of spectacular shock events.
increase of knowledge, toing and froing, apostasy out in the open, proud to
blaspheme. It's getting there.

every fourth year they add a month. comes out the same

it's been going 5,777 years... write in and tell them it's wrong.

It's one way of doing it I suppose.
It would be too much to suppose that the time of earth's orbit of the sun would be an exact multiple of the lunar cycle and they worked out a compensation measure at some point in time. In the same way that we add a leap day every fourth year to compensate for the inexact multiple of earth days in a year. The Catholic church still hasn't given us back our eleven days.

Fionavon - you can measure time any way you want to? In tens instead of 12?
Babylon had a big influence on the world.

Trilby22 - I have seen one of Robert Breakers videos last year.
Not sure I like the white board method, it ends up looking
like one of those conspiracy comedy sketches. All the numbers
and figures -
Conan o'brien did one like it ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzEkAldWLtg

Robert Breaker got one semi wrong - it's ten months in the womb. November 17th to Sept 23rd.
but I looked up gestation periods in the womb and it can go a lot further. It's an average nine months.

every fourth year they add a month. comes out the same
A leap year occurs 7 times in the 19-year Metonic cycle. With years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19 of the cycle being leap years, this corresponds to a frequency of every 2 to 3 years.

For whatever reason, they follow the moon for their months and sun for their years(unlike the islamic calendar which is always about 11 days shroter and has no leap year as far as i know).

The word month is derived from ancient words for moon.

Zoz, I see that Rosh Hashana 5777 was on Monday 3rd October 2016 and not 1st October.

looks like you are right - mis remembered? the calendar did start 3rd oct.2016.
year 5777 started oct 3rd.

if you are feeling up to it could you try and find out when the Ottoman empire captured
Palestine in 1516/1517? i came close to finding out, but only found a brief description in a pdf file?

I don't know, zorro, does it really matter? There are plenty of books on the Ottoman empire which incidentally lasted a lot longer than the British empire, but I don't have one so can't look it up for you.

On his death bed Voltaire was asked by a priest to renounce Satan.
He replied "Now is not the time to be making a new enemy"

the internet exists? I tried to look it up to see if they invaded on the Jubilee year 1517. the books all say 1517. But I wanted to narrow it down to the day? or month. As i've pointed out - the jewish religious year starts either in September or October?
So september? 1516 or Oct 1516 would be the start of the Jubilee year 1517. They held the land to 1917... 400 years exactly. As soon as they lost the land, the British sent a letter to Rothschild to say they'd make a Jewish state. 1917(a jubilee year)1967(jY)2017(jubilee Yr)

I found a book online - it says on the 28th of September 1516 they entered Damascus(syria) then spread out to Lebanon and Israel in the following months.(link Below).
So 1517 looks Right. Within the Jubilee year.
a Rabbi in 1217 said it would happen? 



https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cvTPu0dQyeAC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=what+mo...

The Arabs of the Ottoman Empire, 1516–1918: A Social and Cultural History
Cambridge University Press.