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Injera
10 Jul 17 17:58
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The Mayor of London has pledged to stop the use of the term ‘ladies and gentlemen’ on the capital’s public transport because the idea that people are either male or female is offensive.

Sadiq Khan says that he has banned staff from using any gendered language when addressing the public after a transsexual was told “[you] didn’t sound like a ‘miss’” by a telephone operator at Transport for London.

Many Government-funded bodies continue to push transsexual ideology in the public space. Recently Vishnitz Girls School in Hackney, a Jewish school for girls aged 3-8, was sanctioned by Ofsted for refusing to teach about gender reassignment and sexual orientation. This is despite inspectors admitting that the pupils are making good progress and that teachers are performing well.

Unfortunately Ofsted remains largely unaccountable. Last year not a single school succeeded in challenging the overall result of an inspection, creating pressure to teach gender ideology (which is harmful to children) because teachers in England are fearful of being reprimanded by Ofsted.
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Report akabula • July 10, 2017 6:19 PM BST
Hows about Male - Female - Other (please spoecify)
We are being dragged into dark places by the pc crowd.
Report donny osmond • July 10, 2017 6:26 PM BST
what about ladies and gents loos?

or is this a cost cutting exercise
Report akabula • July 10, 2017 6:31 PM BST
Yes Donny lets open as many toilets as needed to cover all bases.
Right now we have Male, Female and Disabled. How many more are needed?
And how much money will it cost to indulge these variations?
One final question, how have we survived so long without all this 'diversity from the norm'?
Report Dr Crippen • July 10, 2017 6:51 PM BST
And how much money will it cost to indulge these variations?

Money doesn't come into it, the country is awash with money for stuff like this.
Report Clouseau • July 10, 2017 6:52 PM BST
Let's have done to all this pc nonsense and keep it down to a manageable and sensible list of options who have all got their own toilets... like this:

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Gender****
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit
Report Clouseau • July 10, 2017 6:54 PM BST
.. just noticed there doesn't appear to be a Male or Female option there... let's add them in then call it a day. Mischief
Report akabula • July 10, 2017 7:08 PM BST
Sorry can't call it a day Clouseau.
That would be disrespectful to a poker player on here who used the table name of ....................
PRE-OP TRANNY.
Surely a must for any list.
Report saddo • July 10, 2017 7:10 PM BST
"the idea that people are either male or female is offensive"




Tells you all you need to know about the cranks who are determined to ruin what is left of a once decent country. Resist.
Report jamesdean • July 10, 2017 7:26 PM BST
"the idea that people are either male or female is offensive"


Laugh

If that isn't fake news, God help us
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 8:44 PM BST
at least I won't get the p!ss taken out of me when I wear my heels and mini dress


see wot I did there ho ho!!
Report zorrostrikes • July 10, 2017 8:46 PM BST
when i went to school the kids had to learn their lessons? FK all else. we had ten minute breaks to play games before we faced the dragon teachers again.
now i'm supposed to believe kids are meta-morphing into strange creatures.
it has to be increased estrogen in the food and water or something malicious is
happening.
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 8:49 PM BST
Just wait till he gets home.  He has been a very naughty boy.  His imam will not be pleased.
Report ufcdan • July 10, 2017 8:52 PM BST
Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls. It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world. Except for Lola Lo Lo Lo Lo Lola Crazy
Report Injera • July 10, 2017 8:52 PM BST
The latest obsession with gender ID is most disturbing.

Affirming people in their confusion is not the way forward. A person who thinks they're fat and becomes anorexic should'nt be encouraged in their false belief that they ned to lose weight.

Someone who feels trapped in a 'wrong body' should not be encouraged to seek gender change.

I doubt if any of us have not at some stage felt uncomfortable in our own bodies. The path ahead is to love ourselves as we are.
Report ufcdan • July 10, 2017 8:54 PM BST
Or someone supporting a sh1t football team ! Hey Injera Wink
Report Injera • July 10, 2017 8:56 PM BST
Lumbered with them mate!!Laugh
Report zorrostrikes • July 10, 2017 8:56 PM BST
this is bollox, i like hollywood musicals and the colour pink. (as does the palermo mafia)
to question your sexual orientation when your six is bollox. there's a thing called puberty, which is being mucked about a bit by estrogen levels in tap water and other sources like bread. We need to clean up our food sources.
we need to leave this till kids hit puberty. This is like some sort of observational
experiment by physicists like the cat in the box experiment.
if you are pregnant and take in a lot of estrogen it has to affect the baby.
Report ufcdan • July 10, 2017 8:58 PM BST
The Oxo family got axed as married couples were no longer the norm Mischief
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:00 PM BST
But it is a great card to play. Like several of the other one's that are played.  Like 'OAP's matter' - a notorious organisation.

Or  'I AM HAVING A BAD WEEK THEREFORE I PLAY THE ....... CARD FOR AN EXCUSE'

the 'headache' card even!!!

I lean on the LGBT card - like the RAY CYST card. Very useful  'YOU CAN'T TOUCH ME' You are being homophobic/racist accusation - works every time and puts them on the back foot ho ho!!!
Report ufcdan • July 10, 2017 9:02 PM BST
Ahhhh moisok..........the voice of reason and understanding LaughLaughLaugh
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:10 PM BST
What you have to understand is if you feel you are inadequate in any way you can latch on to a whole number of excuses and back them up with empirical evidence and play the card you feel helps to explain and best of all, provide a great excuse - a splendid defensive manoeuvre which some actually use aggressively.

Up till now the LGB was king/queen but now the T is burgeoning.

Forget religion - this is the new one!!!

What do want to know about the community for starters!?
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:11 PM BST
ps and I missed out the real biggie up till now  - the race card of course - apologies to those who may take a fence.
Report ufcdan • July 10, 2017 9:11 PM BST
Male or female........on a cold day it's hard to tell Sad
Report casemoney • July 10, 2017 9:15 PM BST
Mr Khan should "STOP THE USE OF THE WORD MUSLIM" a persons religion is Irrelevant ,and the Word should only be Used in Mosques and Muslim Circles .
Report casemoney • July 10, 2017 9:17 PM BST
Sadiq Khan says that he has banned staff from using any gendered language when addressing the public after a transsexual was told “[you] didn’t sound like a ‘miss’” by a telephone operator at Transport for London.


Although the Caller had a Voice Deeper than the Grand Canyon and pair of Melons for Bollix .
Report ufcdan • July 10, 2017 9:18 PM BST
I'm sure the PC world take more offence than the actual people who they seem to over compensate for Mischief
Report casemoney • July 10, 2017 9:21 PM BST
I mean the Statement Regarding the calls Says it all , Obviously what ever it was on the Phone referred to Itself as Miss ??
Report wit-ham • July 10, 2017 9:22 PM BST
So when i serve my other type of gender passengers
i'm not allowed to say thanks hun/babs,darling,sweetheart anymore
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:23 PM BST
that certainly applies to many gay, bi and T 
no all of course

you always get the ones who want it so much!!

politically that is - now go wash your mouth out for having such dirty smutty thoughts
Report Injera • July 10, 2017 9:23 PM BST
Ms Berry welcomed the Mayor’s response, telling The Independent: “No one should feel shut out of society.”

She said the removal of “ladies and gentlemen” would be well-received by anyone who found the announcements out of date.

“There are many people out there with some degree of gender variance and, with our huge population, a large number of Londoners will be trans and non binary,” she told The Independent.

“Gender neutral announcements will make a difference not just to trans people but to everyone who thinks being greeted as ‘ladies and gentleman’ is out of date.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gender-neutral-announcement-sadiq-khan-tfl-london-ladies-and-gentlemen-announcements-a7463271.html


n July, guidance issued by the Boarding Schools Association called on teachers to learn a “new language” and to address transgender pupils as “zie” to avoid offence.

WTF??? LaughCrazy
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:23 PM BST
not all of course

there is a stack of politically motivated after 5 mins of fame or political positions

whoops!!!Love
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:26 PM BST
why do you think I live in london

living in the outer Hebrides- you have less chance of scoring

hope this helps

apologies if the outers   take a fence

Boarding schools!!!  Just thinking about 'now bend over Bunter'   ho ho
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:27 PM BST
And what are they going to do about that transphobic/homophobic Nationwide advert

Flinstone - 'WE'
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:27 PM BST
We'll have a gay old time

shocking stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:28 PM BST
and where do the women and men for a P ???
Report Shrewd_dude • July 10, 2017 9:29 PM BST
Sadiq Khan says that he has banned staff from using any gendered language when addressing the public after a transsexual was told “[you] didn’t sound like a ‘miss’” by a telephone operator at Transport for London.

You have to wonder what we are teaching future generations by making such a big issue like this. A slip of the tongue/ mistake when speaking to one customer results  in 30'000 members of staff being issued with a new policy on never mentioning any word gender related. No wonder so many people suffer from anxiety these days.

People will start having panic attacks in pubs if someone asks them where the toilets are as they won't know which one to direct them to in case they offend them.
Report casemoney • July 10, 2017 9:29 PM BST
I wonder what Khans views are on the Rights of young Girls who were Being raped by teams of Brethren ?
Report casemoney • July 10, 2017 9:30 PM BST
Of his Brethren ?
Report Injera • July 10, 2017 9:30 PM BST
'zie' apparently is a gender neutral pronoun..

HTH etc.
Report Injera • July 10, 2017 9:33 PM BST
'brethren' - archaic plural of brother.

I find that to be 'out of date' and certainly not gender neutral.

Nawty step for you Case...
Report casemoney • July 10, 2017 9:40 PM BST
Laugh Was going to use a Sentence with the Word "Members" in it but thought better of it Laugh
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 9:46 PM BST
Will our great mare actually tackle the biggest thingy in the pile - his own cultural base - the greatest base of established sexism/misogyny/homophobia/transphobia in the country?

just saying
Report casemoney • July 10, 2017 9:56 PM BST
SPOT ON MOIS
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 10:01 PM BST
Or maybe that might be NELSON if one was looking for the greatest percentage??
Report detraveller • July 10, 2017 10:24 PM BST
SO what are they replacing the ladies and gentlemen with?

I just googled this and it seems this was pledged by Khan in December last year? And the most recent article is from 5 days ago where a Green Party member reminds him of his promise. So why did Injera post it today? Just wondering...

Anyhow, these sort of issues make me sick. There are thousands more things to work on and people get p1ssed off with things like this? If i am a politician, what would I rather prefer? People criticizing me for abolishing announcements with ladies and gentlemen or people criticizng me for the way im doing my real job as the mayor? I'll take a debate on gender every single day of my mayorship if that keeps the people away from asking other questions. I hope he can magnify this issue and keep people guessing till the end of the term. Keep your subject busy in stupid stuff and you'll end up a great politician.
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 10:27 PM BST
You disgust me Wandering person.  In the LGBT community we have struggled to be treated fairly and equally. Transphobic and homophobic ignoramuses like you can set us back years with careless,and frankly, plain nasty comments like that.
Report moisok • July 10, 2017 10:28 PM BST
ps  our Mare is doing a good job although his Imam my not be so sanguine about these issues, or over his conduct.
Report lybertyne • July 11, 2017 3:02 AM BST
What you have to understand is if you feel you are inadequate in any way you can latch on to a whole number of excuses

Could be on to something here.  I reckon a lot of younger people feel inadequate.  They're brought up wrapped in cotton wool, told they're wonderful and are surrounded by the cult of celebrity like never before.  Then they start to realise as they become adults that actually they're pretty ordinary, they won't be mega-rich nor famous and in a crowd they are anonymous.  They counteract this by subconsciously deciding they are no longer a man or woman but are non-binary or cis or whatever's on Clouseau's list.  They then start to feel special again as they're no longer ordinary.  It's attention seeking that has crossed into insanity.
Report ufcdan • July 11, 2017 7:02 AM BST
Remember when being gay was being happy............I think it's all sick/bad ?????? Apparently that's good Crazy
Report pxb • July 11, 2017 8:17 AM BST
In the next Olympic Games athletes can compete under their chosen gender. This whole thing will be a financial trainwreck for women's sports.
Report ufcdan • July 11, 2017 8:31 AM BST
Could help Usain Bolt prolong his career, and then of course he could move on to the para Olympics. Mischief
Report saddo • July 11, 2017 9:56 AM BST
pxb    11 Jul 17 08:17 
In the next Olympic Games athletes can compete under their chosen gender




Shirley not? Laugh
Report jed.davison • July 11, 2017 10:09 AM BST
Already happening, they allow Caster Semenya to compete in the women's events.
Report moisok • July 11, 2017 12:43 PM BST
If you feel you are inadequate as a man, for instance, to dress as a woman and be more attractive to guys who are into that - you become the center of attention etc etc. (self perception and all that.  As stated above. So much of it is in your head as they say.
Report ufcdan • July 13, 2017 8:00 AM BST
Already happening, they allow Caster Semenya to compete in the women's events.


Yeah i remember when that first came to light. When asked her she felt when her sexuality was bought into question, her response was "Its a right kick in the b0ll0x" Mischief
Report Injera • July 13, 2017 3:28 PM BST
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40591750

Latest on this. It's official.

More evidence of paedos running the show? Nothing to stop the inevitable gender neutral toilets which is a paedo's dream. More than that the identity confusion being heaped upon our kids will leave them even more vulnerable to abuse.

Interesting how in Genesis it says 'he made them male and female'. Why bother saying that? God knew this day was coming..
Report moisok • July 13, 2017 3:45 PM BST
the big mo had the line on this one he who impersonates a woman and vice versa - just not on - know what I mean - chop chop!!
Report Platini • July 13, 2017 6:44 PM BST
The only problem for Mr Khan here is what does he do with the you know who community who won't play along with this new language game, in fact you'll be outright offending them by even suggesting that LGBTs might be human. Oh wait, do they get a fee pass on this one?   Alrighty, crack on then Mr Mayor Laugh
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