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moisok
07 Jul 17 16:14
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Why do they mention it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/07/surge-in-acid-attacks-in-england-leads-to-calls-to-restrict-sales

Do you know which borough has the highest percentage of acid attacks in Landan??

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By:
alun2005
When: 07 Jul 17 16:48
The Criminal Republic of Newham?
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 17:37
Presumably they mention it as in the latest high profile case it was thought to be the motive.
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 18:27
alun go to the top of the class - winners by a mile

tober

there have been lots and lots of acid attacks but I do not recall a person's religion being mentioned

except - if you see where many of these occur you may be drawn to certain conclusions

the guardian has a pro islamic agenda to push of course
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 18:33
r ost of the attacks involve bleach ,ammonia and seem to be used in robberies / gang disputes

The worst ones use sulphuric acid and usually have some revenge/honour type motive .

The one with the 2 cousins has no known connection between them and the perpertrator . So they assume he attacked them because 'they looked like muslims'

It seems an unusual case so the motive is more noteworthy
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 18:36
but how about the hundreds of others - any mention of religion

actually we all know why don't we

it is the wrong religion to mention if THEY have carried out the attack

GET IT?
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 18:39
As said  , robberies / gang disputes are 90% of these cases and so religion is presumed to be irrelevant to those so why would it be mentioned
By:
alun2005
When: 07 Jul 17 18:48
alun go to the top of the class - winners by a mile


It may have seemed like a lucky guess on my part, but I used 'profiling' techniques to work it out.  Something that the police, intelligence and security forces would be wise to do at all times when investigating crime and planning 'stop and search' actions.   

I simply asked myself which vibrant borough has often shown itself at the cutting edge of terror, crime, FGM, rape incidents and by means of this intelligent profiling action  I made a Holmes-like 100% correct deduction.
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 18:51
whilst others thrash around to find other excuses for this imported behaviour

like a friend of mine says about politicians/civil servants etc etc

- it is not intelligence or knowledge - they are just plain stupid
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 19:00
Anyone who does this is scum. Looking at the worst recent cases seems plenty of indigenous people here are involved.

This sort of thing began in Britain in the 1800s . That was because it was the first place that was producing large quantities of acid for industrial purposes.

The correlation is how easy it is to get hold of the stuff , rather than 'cultural'
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 19:07
still no answer to my question why the gurnard bangs the muslim victim line

ooops  - there I have provided the answer

while others cast around into history in an attempt to excuse it

pathetic
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 19:12
The Guardian - like all news sites - certainly has a 'narrative'it promotes .

In this case though it was quite pertinent to the article to mention the motive in that case , as it is unusual . I'm not aware of other cases where someone has had acid thrown at them for being a muslim or a christian etc

If that was the motive ( another possibility is that this stranger was hired by someone who does have a grudge against the victims)
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 19:26
The full list of acid attacks by borough is:


1 - Newham - 398

2 - Barking & Dagenham - 134

3 - Tower Hamlets - 84
By:
treetop
When: 07 Jul 17 19:51
I reckon it is more likely to be muslim against muslim women,usually seen as a punishment for rejection or disrepute to the family. It happened several times while I was in Saudi,seemed to be a typical punishment attack.
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 19:59
do not mention the M word - you are out of order

it is the fault of emerging capitalist enterprise in the 19th century

thankyou
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 07 Jul 17 20:01
It is a known fact that it is used within a certain religion when they feel the family has been shamed, usually a daughter who has chosen someone from a different culture.

Tobes is just trolling the original question.
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 20:02
So most of these acid attacks are muslims doing it for religous reasons ?

They aren't though are they . Gangs squirting ammonia at each other appears to be the overwhelming majority .
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:04
but why mention muslims in the article  - what has religion got to do with it

nearly 400 in one borough alone -

it is a well known cultural method for retribution etc

wonder where that comes from

is it a british cultural custom?
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 20:10
As explained several times , because that was presumed to be the motive in that case , which is pretty unique unless some other examples can be found of someone throwing acid at people because they were from the wrong religion.

As also said several times ,  the vast majority are gangs using ammonia or whatever .

In terms of 'retribution' attacks  by jilted lovers etc , googling it for UK cases seems to throw up mostly cases of white men as the culprits , So maybe it is a 'cultural tradition' of white british men , or maybe nothing to do with culture
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 07 Jul 17 20:13
Tobes, you are just playing semantics.

You know that these acid attacks are frequent in a certain culture. You claim when this culture uses it to attack their own culture so it isn't or wont be classed as religious.

Im not sure all the daughters in a certain religion would like you on their side Tobes.
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:14
as you attempt to deflect away from the attempted down play of one culture you completely miss the point how this is an outside cultural custom and not essentially english - it comes from elsewhere

the number of attacks in landan are essentially particularly cultural ones

but like other excusers  for the cult you wish to muddy the waters

good luck with that

why does the paper raise the religious aspect ?

establishing one culture as victim is really what it is about

you want to deflect away from that
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 07 Jul 17 20:18
I think we have lost him to the google engine.
By:
Slicer
When: 07 Jul 17 20:19
Excuse me for butting in. May I remind you all that Islam is the Religion of Peace and NOT the Religion of Acid. I hope this clarifies the matter and enhances diversification on this forum!
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:21
keep your knows out chopper bouyAngry
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 20:21
Your original question is

What has someone's religion got to do with acid attacks?

The answer is : In most cases nothing at all . The great majority are of gangs of criminals spraying/ throwing it at other gang members without any thought about religion at all . A minority of cases individuals throwing it at a person they have a grudge against , again without any correlation with what religion they are.

In the particular case of the 2 cousins apparently it was the motive. So it was mentioned as it stands out from the others.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 07 Jul 17 20:21
I still cant believe he uses google for news.

CrazyCrazyCrazyCrazy
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:21
ps  oy oy   posts being removed?
By:
Slicer
When: 07 Jul 17 20:24
I SLICE- I do not CHOP. Slicing is skilful; chopping is brute force and ignorance. I hope this clarifies the matter.
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:24
I wonder how many attacks on people belonging to the wrong religion have been religiously reported by the freedom loving guardian.

You see, when you have an agenda, you have to assign victim status to emphasise your slant on news.
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 20:25
Use whatever news source you want and see if it backs up the notion that men throwing acid at women in britain is predominantly carried out by muslims
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:26
As a brute force and ignorant sort of guy I take a fence at that chopper bouy.
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 20:26

Jul 7, 2017 -- 8:24PM, moisok wrote:


I wonder how many attacks on people belonging to the wrong religion have been religiously reported by the freedom loving guardian.You see, when you have an agenda, you have to assign victim status to emphasise your slant on news.


Surely they'd have been reported somewhere though.

By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:27
tober  - no I don't

hope this helps

it is all about the agenda

victim status established

you really need to realise what is happening  in england

on many fronts
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 07 Jul 17 20:28
is that a question or a statement ?
By:
Slicer
When: 07 Jul 17 20:29
Well in that case Mr ok, I don't think I will bother to communicate with you in future. This is the second time you have disrespected me, and there won't be a third.
By:
tobermory
When: 07 Jul 17 20:32
I don't disagree with you that The Guardian will flag up 'Islamophobic Hate Crime' more than the number or severity of cases merits.

I just don't see that has happened with this article as the case mentioned is very severe and unusual , so noteworthy . And i don't think acid attacks are usually carried out with some religious motivation.
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:33
You must not take these things to heart. Sometimes you may make ereers.    It is nothing personnell but use have to be told.
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:34
to slicer
^
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 07 Jul 17 20:36
So you do not think that acid attacks are prevalent in certain religions ?
By:
moisok
When: 07 Jul 17 20:36
Or Mandoline man.
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