Tommy Robinson .. is he a Fraud ?

common knowledge that his real name tbh.

Changed his name when he started to get death threats.
Real name made known years ago.
Puts himself in too many dangerous situations to be a fraud.

yes i know .. but seems many may be taken in on here .. he seems to have some kind of 'Agenda'

real hooligans take no prisoners .. Tommy seems to just cause trouble & get punched a lot .. then gets a lot of air time for his troubles

Gets a lot of grief from the police as well.
This is a clip of him and his mates along with their kids getting thrown out not only a pub but the town centre.
Reason given, they may cause trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVOGpdAz7Lk

Tommy was born into a family of irish republican immigrants.
Albeit he was born in Luton I always found it strange he joined the EDL.
His mother remarried when he was quite young so maybe his background up til then was irrelevant.

have you noticed that the very few who do not follow the agenda and speak out, are vilified by the authorities, politicians, tv news media etc etc and howled down on public programmes

I wonder why. Especially when they have been proven to speak the truth.  Look at how corbyn was treated for starters.  Then anyone who mentions immigration.  Anyone who questions Islam.  Look at the bias in favour of the eu and how brexiteers were attacked and so on!!!
Basically they want to keep the ship level and afloat.  Unfortunately there is one group that is hell bent on changing all that.

5,000 football fellas (I've heard as many as ten thousand) had a peaceful march through London Saturday with no trouble what so ever. A large group saying enough is enough, a mention on the main stream news.........not a word

changed his name to sound more quintessentially English working class

what's his job btw?

He gets paid by some right wing US or Canadian broadcaster to turn up and call the end of civilisation whenever a muzzie farts.


Oh, and he has his book to sell of course. Got to monetise his followers and get them to buy his book.

actually don't think he's even changed his name just likes to call himself "Tommy Robinson" - in the same way the actor off Rainbow called himself "Bungle"

Oh, and he has his book to sell of course. Got to monetise his followers and get them to buy his book.

Yeah what a cretin. Imagine becoming an author then having the audacity to actually sell your books for money.

just like the gambler said, read it and weep.

Tommy Robinsons life is the book, and the novel he is writing is always the same one.

that makes him the opposite of a fraud, in my book.

disagree with robinson, but this video is worth a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtEzCrXbaX0


horrible how the police state has treated him, and many other activists across the board like him.

his experience raises serious questions about the state.

yeah break the law and you end up in prison. how unfair is that?

Jun 27, 2017 -- 5:46AM, A_T wrote:

yeah break the law and you end up in prison. how unfair is that?

please review the video and review the impartial evidence elsewhere

robinson has been targeted to be silenced, just like many other activists both on the left and the right

please dont be ignorant

As was pointed out by Douglas Murray Tommy Robinson's conviction for mortgage fraud was bought up after the Old Bill went through his life with a fine tooth comb to find something, funny how some of the extremist preachers don't seem to receive the same scrutiny from the state

and there was me thinking he broke the law

No one is saying he hasn't but I'm sure there are many out there that preach hate towards this country who probably have a few dodgy dealings in there past. It's about fairness

Who would you prefer to be hassled by the establishment Tommy Robinson or someone glorifying the magnificent sight of those planes flying into the towers ?

He admitted his guilt and there were about 6 others ivolved in the large scale fraud so doubt the comb needed to that 'fine toothed' as it was hardly some trumped up charge tbf.

Put in solitary for months on end for abs no reason...and the police have been been a disgrace towards him!

oh and yes the media ignoring the 10,000 peaceful march was disgusting!

A_T
yeah break the law and you end up in prison. how unfair is that?

Yet those of the religion of peace avoid prosecution despite breaking the law under the nose of the police.

Tommy Johnson (Danny Dyer ) football Factory

This is where he got the name

He was a Casual/Hooligan so adopted the name easy

I'm sure I've just seen him sat outside a beer store in Amersham having a drink.

this black guy tells you how racist tommy robinson is           7.30 mins in

   https://youtu.be/7yRrz_5ivZM

PorcupineorPineapple
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He gets paid by some right wing US or Canadian broadcaster to turn up and call the end of civilisation whenever a muzzie farts.


Oh, and he has his book to sell of course. Got to monetise his followers and get them to buy his book.

........

Interesting you think he only started talking out against Islam to make money.

Nelson Mandela wrote a book called 'Long walk to freedom'.

Do reckon the only reason he spoke out against against white rule was to make money?

Oh my god, you went there. You compared Robinson to Mandela.


Betfair - you can wrap it up now lads. The chit chat forum just ate itself.

PP,

You claimed he was only does what he does for the money.

I pointed out he is not the first person who has been put in solitary for opposing the state who wrote a book to expose the truth.

You threw your toys out of your pram.

I bet you have have not even read his book.

What exactly is it you dislike?

Nothing, I love the violent thug. Lovely guy.


I hope my kids grow up to be just like him.




Well him or Mandela. Easy to get them mixed up to be honest.

Mandela was no Christ nor even Gandhi nor Martin Luther King. He was for decades a man of violence. In 1961, he broke with African National Congress colleagues who preached non-violence, creating a terrorist wing.

He later pleaded guilty in court to acts of public violence, and behind bars sanctioned more, including the 1983 Church St car bomb that killed 19 people.

Mandela even suggested cutting off the noses of blacks deemed collaborators. His then wife Winnie advocated "necklacing" instead - a burning tyre around the neck.

Mandela argued the apartheid regime left him no option but to fight violence with violence, but it is too easy to claim events proved him right. His legacy is not yet played out.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/the-dark-side-of-nelson-mandela/news-story/68f4acdbf2b0b4e6c799e458a55e6cb2

And Tommy Robinson? What he do? Defended himself.

What exactly is it you disagree with him on?

oh

my

word

No argument so you don't bother to engage in debate.

That is the problem with people in complete denial.

What has TR said in anything he has written or any unedited video that you disagree with?

It's saturday night, if you think listening to you repeat (and I do mean repeat) how much Robinson means to you is the best I can do then you're mistaken. Been there, done that thanks. I might be taking some bedding to the launderette on monday so I might let you bore on a bit then but no ta.




Just popped in to laugh heartily at you using Mandela as a reference. Got it down to a smirk now though.

Mandela was a violent thug who transformed himself albeit it took a lengthy prison sentence.

PP you aint letting the left down with your replies here.
Always the same. Have no argument so resort to attacking the OP.

pp,

You sound like you use CNN, BBC and Corbyn to get your views on the world.

Do your own research. Think about things for yourself.

If you disagree that is healthy.

But to have to just smirk at people who have different views without bothering to back yourself up with an argument is pathetic.

Mandela's is an acceptable reference. Tommy Robinson is an activist who wrote and released a book and sold it for money. Bizarre that you would take umbrage at anyone writing a book and selling it to people who follow them which in your initial post you did. Why is Robinson any different from any other activist who wrote a book and sold it for money?

Unfortunately anyone taking a radical viewpoint about Islam hasn't a chance. I can never understand how such a right wing group under Islam can be seen as good?  Given their record.  As a friend of mine says. People in this country are plain stupid.
Expect much more of this pro Islamic stuff.  You have to realise that it is not to be challenged and the vast majority have fallen for it.
We are far too nice people.

OwnBrain
28 Jun 17 07:51

Tommy Johnson (Danny Dyer ) football Factory

This is where he got the name

He was a Casual/Hooligan so adopted the name easy


I thought his name was Dorian

PP showing the classic colours of the left, don't like the debate. Close it down Think if Corbyn and his cronies especially McDonnel ever got power you could wave general elections goodbye as their right and we're wrong ! If you think it's far fetched think about it especially with Momentum in the background Female Tory MP "stab the Cxxt" Nice democracy at its finest

I'm back now Dan.


As for debate, I'm not interested in talking about the thug right now. Not shutting it down. You all carry on if you wish. I've read about him and read and seen plenty by him to have formed my own opinion thanks. Doubt his fanboys will agree with me. And frankly the idea of going round that particular roundabout one more time is not appealing.

Mandela is a fantastic advert for the rehabilitative effects of a quarter-century in prison.

Entered a violent terrorist, emerged a man of peace. Heart-warming really.

Now we just need Trump to accept the therapy.

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PorcupineorPineapple
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I'm back now Dan.


As for debate, I'm not interested in talking about the thug right now. Not shutting it down. You all carry on if you wish. I've read about him and read and seen plenty by him to have formed my own opinion thanks. Doubt his fanboys will agree with me. And frankly the idea of going round that particular roundabout one more time is not appealing.

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Just one example of something he has written or one full unedited video of anything he is SAYS you disagree with. Thats all I ask.

You have to understand they you cannot dispute what is in the great book.  Likewise one of the defenders, like porky, will not tolerate critique of what he seeks to support.

PP I am not a fan boy of TR, like him or loathe him you can't question his courage. I think it will end badly for him. People such as yourself though are content to let outsiders come into this country with a desire to take over/change our way of life. Now of course this country has been influenced by outside cultures. Take the Indians with their smelly food luckily for me I love a good curry however if I didn't they wouldn't want to force me to eat it. Then there's the Afro Carribean culture who came over here with their reggae music and their style of dress, again for me I loved the music and loved the clothes so I became a skinhead in the late sixties early seventies, however yet again the black lads didn't say I had to listen to their music or wear the same style clothes. Then we have the few and I mean the few who want to force us in this country to pray as they do, dress as they do etc etc. People like you PP you want to turn a blind eye, if this is not addressed now fast forward a few generations do you think Tommy Robinsons future relatives will fair any better than yours, as this bores you don't bother answering

Porky can't see the difference.

Disgusting comment from Facts.Should be ashamed of yourself fella

Seconded. Hopes for ill will on people because they have different political views than him.

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Interesting you cite recent history dan and mention the influx from Commonwealth countries in the 60s and 70s.

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Indeed in 1961 there were 2.3m foreign born people in the UK
in 1981 there were 3.2m.
An increase of 900,000 over 20 years. 45,000 a year.

2001 to 2011 there was an increase from 4.6m to 7.5m.

An increase of 2.9m in 10 years. Or 290,000 a year.

foreigners ?

we're all human, all global citizens.

Jul 2, 2017 -- 1:51PM, Facts wrote:

ufcdan    02 Jul 17 17:22  PP I am not a fan boy of TR,  I think it will end badly for him.One can but hope

nasty statement

please apologise and withdraw, why would you wish such a thing on a fellow human?

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foreigners ?

we're all human, all global citizens.

...

So you think anyone from anywhere should be allowed to come and settle in the UK?

e.g. 100m people from developing countries next year?

Where did I say that? I said we are all people.

It is people that you must fear, not everyone is equally human. that would be impossible.

unless there is seperation and borders mankind becomes less human and progress is impossible.
This is inevitable , history shows us, there is a reason why we are so different.
It is fundamental to progress and survival.

A really bizarre thread. The OP asks a question about whether Tommy Robinson is a Fraud and we have people coming on implying he's a fraud because he wrote a book and charged people to buy his book and then they can't explain why a person selling a book to someone is relevant to him being a fraud 3 pages later.   

Then we have some people wishing harm on the person mentioned in the OP. 

Then we have folk trying to justify their point because X,Y,Z posted about something 2 weeks ago on another x, y, z  thread. . No wonder chit chat and the art of discussion is
dead.

if he's been done for fraud, lying to swindle money, why would he not lie and exaggerate in a book to do the same, there's one born every minute, and there's a huge angry market out there atm to take advantage of.

SH no one is disputing that TR was done for Mortgage fraud, however he was prosecuted for that in pretty much the same way that Al Capone was done by the US authorities for tax invasion. The point I'm raising is that there are many radical preachers etc who didn't have the pleasure of the close scrutiny of our law enforcement agencies. Double standards like this are what generates hate and division. This continued path by our government will cause more unrest than the likes of Tommy Robinson could ever cause !

But the doubles standards aren't the things causing hate and division. The things the thuggish fraudster says and writes to his flock cause division. Similarly, the things radical preachers teach to their disciples will cause division. Two sides of the same coin.

As for those double standards, that really is the weakest form of being an apologist. "Yes he's a convicted fraudster but why aren't other people - the ones that we don't like - why aren't they being charged for crimes too."

Normally, I'd expect to see someone saying something's wrong, then trying to lay down some context to say the offence isn't so bad when you look at it this way, then maybe a bit of distraction on to something else entirely but the whole "yes, he's a crook but he's just unlucky because the police have spotted him being crooked and haven't looked at others" is spectacularly weak.

We have had enough of do gooders, if Tommy Robinson was leader of this country it would be a much better country.
He doesn't have the miserable desire to be more than he is .

Was he convicted of mortgage fraud ? I feel how little it concerns me.

It must be me and my lack of grammar so I'll try again. The hate and division comes from the government actions or lack there of ! They keep turning a blind eye to the Muslim extremists, how many times do we see on our news these people with "Death to non believers" with the Old Bill standing right beside them ! Imagine if roles where reversed and the EDL had placards death to all Muslims . That quite rightly would fly like a lead balloon. You've got Jeremy Corbyn with a little tear in his eye after the Finsbury attack but can't raise one for the poor little innocent kids in Manchester or the victims of London Bridge with one of the young women being stabbed to death all the time being told "God is great". We then have our courts protecting the Human (I used the term loosely) rights of the likes of Abu Hammza. Personally I couldn't give a flying fu ck if Jordan tortures people. AND this is the point this country IS tolerant allowing people to follow their faiths, love who they want to love and has welcomed people from all over the globe to live here only to see some come here and abuse the British nations hospitality. As I approach my later years I hope I have become more tolerant and thoughtful, thirty years ago I would of more likely of followed the Tommy Robinson route although I doubt I would of had the courage to put his head so far above the parapet as he has.

lfc I also would have to disagree with you, this country wouldn't be better if TR was in charge. He would not have the strength or power to take the country away from where it would go. For all its faults I still prefer to live is this tolerant great nation of ours.

My head ffs

great nation? look around, major exporter of terrorism throughout the world. How a nation is perceived can change surprisingly quickly.

Of course Britain is barely a nation, it is starting to crumble shot full of holes.

We have, as have all European countries been living off the power and wealth generated by America for the last 40 years.
Unfortunately times up.

As an American trust me lfc Britain is a far better place in many ways. Here we have "The haves" and the"Have nots" over there it's "The haves" and the "Have nothing's" I am in the fortunate position to have a choice and I choose Britain

That is all very well ufc, but in England we have too many people as it is , I know what America is like having lived and worked there.
They have led the way in science, technology , industry that drives and maintains the wealth we all enjoy.
That is changing .

Agree science, technology etc mind you only because of the brain drain from this country

Also we can't take to many more people in, mind you we only live on 10%of our land. The trouble is again I state it's the governments past and presents fault for not building the infrastructure and providing the services needed for an influx of people

Back to the original post, i think its important to put the conviction for mortgage fraud into context.

Its evident the police crawled through every part of his life trying to find anything to stop his political activism

The best they could find was mortgage fraud

In the context of mortgage fraud cases, it was at the lower end - something which has been commented on by several human rights lawyers


They also went through the lives of his close family and wider family and prosecuted some of them for the most trivial of offences to apply pressure on him to stop his activism and to come under their control

one of his family members ended up getting prosecuted for not paying tax on ebay sales of under £10k!

They also raided his home, his wider family and friends homes on numerous occasions often getting as part of the warrant the right to seize paperwork and electrical goods.

They took his elderly parents tv away on numerous occasions!

And on nearly all their warrant evidence and charges, they rarely prosecuted and if they did it was withdrawn a few days before the trial.


I am NO fan of the far right (or the far left for that matter), but when political activists regardless of what they believe are hounded and suppress by the state using laws and power perversely, then i support their right to fight back and expose such tactics.


People on the left who hate Tommy Robinson for political reasons need to be careful, when your opinion or point of view is considered 'extreme' because it doesn't fit with and challenges the status quo, there will be no one coming to defend and support your rights to freedom of belief, expression and speech.

everyone should be free to say and think what they like

https://youtu.be/n9nk1u9xWlc

Sunderland shopkeeper told to take down a sign saying 'Don't Fund Terrorism'. Plod came 7 times to hassle him and threatened him with withdrawing his licence. A muslim had complained.

Tommy has now secured a lawyer to fight the case.

In my book Tommy is the salt of the earth. Salt changes things and by God he's trying...

A leftie school ?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-40531321

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMgRB64JX7Q

Ibrahima Sonko    07 Jul 17 17:37 
A leftie school ?


There is no other kind.

It was once a fantastic idea.  It had very good intentions.  We all know how that saying goes .... the road to etc...............

somehow education has been twisted into an ideology - one that now lies within relatively narrow parameters