Is our time and place of birth random - yes Are we lucky to live in a place where democracy and decency prevail - yes Can democracy and our ideas of decency be compromised by a vociferous minority with alternative views - yes.
Is our time and place of birth random - yesAre we lucky to live in a place where democracy and decency prevail - yesCan democracy and our ideas of decency be compromised by a vociferous minority with alternative views - yes.
The Poles The Indians The Bangladeshis The Irish The Germans The Romanians The South Africans The Italians The French The Spanish The Portuguese The Lithuanians The Bulgarians
and loads of others who come from peace-loving and tolerant cultures.
They all integrate well into British society because they share most of our values.
They are all welcome
The PolesThe IndiansThe BangladeshisThe IrishThe GermansThe RomaniansThe South AfricansThe ItaliansThe FrenchThe SpanishThe PortugueseThe LithuaniansThe Bulgariansand loads of others who come from peace-loving and tolerant cultures.They all integrate
"you see what tommy toes says is wrong, we are not born as a totally random chance. We are born into a certain time and place, if what he was saying was true it wouldn`t matter where we were born, and who we were born to. But it does."
lfc1971, do you really believe each and every one of us are not born entirely by random chance?
Do you think there's a great big ante-natal unit somewhere in the sky where all babies about to be born are planning which parents, colour, creed and nationality they'll belong to?
Did you ever as a child think to yourself "Thank God they aren't my parents" or "I'm glad I wasn't born there" when you saw something on tv?
Well, it could just as easily have been the fact.
Random is random.
We don't choose.
lfc1971 13 Jun 17 08:49 "you see what tommy toes says is wrong, we are not born as a totally random chance.We are born into a certain time and place, if what he was saying was true it wouldn`t matter where we were born, and who we were born to.Bu
Tommy is clearly right about the random thing btw. Not sure how you can really argue with it without turning to reincarnation or some rather contrived version of theism or something.
Tommy is clearly right about the random thing btw. Not sure how you can really argue with it without turning to reincarnation or some rather contrived version of theism or something.
Chinese Triad gangs hold enormous control over Chinese immigrants which goes virtually unreported to the local Plod. Extortion, kidnapping, prostitution, protection money rackets, money laundering, human trafficking, beatings within their own communities are never reported out of fear from their own.
Chinese Triad gangs hold enormous control over Chinese immigrants which goes virtually unreported to the local Plod.Extortion, kidnapping, prostitution, protection money rackets, money laundering, human trafficking, beatings within their own communit
You couldn't have been born in a different country, and neither could I or anyone else. So in that sense it isn't random . As we were talking about immigration that was my point.
It wasn't random the way countries came to be. Our forefathers died for our freedom, they worked hard to provide a safe and free country, are we fortunate? yes, but it is not random
There is nothing random about being born to particular parents in a particular country. It is the only way you could have been born.
Tommy ToesYou couldn't have been born in a different country, and neither could I or anyone else.So in that sense it isn't random . As we were talking about immigration that was my point.It wasn't random the way countries came to be. Our forefathers
Chinese I'm taking about ain't been near the traided
There offspring of very rich industrial magnets
That brought up 1000 posh pads rd docklands
Chinese might even own large chucks of that area anyway
Chinese I'm taking about ain't been near the traided There offspring of very rich industrial magnets That brought up 1000 posh pads rd docklands Chinese might even own large chucks of that area anyway
Now if you accept that individuals can be born in only one place, and not anywhere. Then it must follow that where you are born is not random, it is the opposite of random . It is very specific.
Now if you accept that individuals can be born in only one place, and not anywhere.Then it must follow that where you are born is not random, it is the opposite of random .It is very specific.
A few miles from me is a dump called Ravensthorpe. It was colonised and almost wholely populated by Pakistanis in the 70s. The Blair stampede started a rapid influx of East European/Balkan people, including a lot of troublesome Albanians and Romanians. There were riots against the newcomers after a while and the area is once again mainly Pakistani. A part of England being warred over by different groups of foreigners.
A few miles from me is a dump called Ravensthorpe. It was colonised and almost wholely populated by Pakistanis in the 70s. The Blair stampede started a rapid influx of East European/Balkan people, including a lot of troublesome Albanians and Romanian
Triads are extremely localised (and lets face it very small in number) and don't affect the general public. There's no religion or ideology behind anything they do, its just a bunch of criminals motivated by money. There are criminals from every nation, what about the Romanian pick pocket gangs ? They're petty criminals, but do they pose a major threat to our society? NO, of course not. You can't compare a few pesky ants with hordes of elephants.
Triads are extremely localised (and lets face it very small in number) and don't affect the general public. There's no religion or ideology behind anything they do, its just a bunch of criminals motivated by money.There are criminals from every natio
The Chinese I know are great they have always been very friendly towards me and never have any problems integrating with the people round here in Leeds.
The Chinese I know are great they have always been very friendly towards me and never have any problems integrating with the people round here in Leeds.
I will have a Canadian lady of Hong Kong Chinese descent here this week BM. She is quite scathing of mainland Chinese. I'm sure she would be called a racist in this country.
I will have a Canadian lady of Hong Kong Chinese descent here this week BM. She is quite scathing of mainland Chinese. I'm sure she would be called a racist in this country.
The Chinese and the Japanese (in particular) don't take any sh.1.t from immigrants - they don't do self-loathing and virtue-signalling guilt for the sins of previous generations.
The Chinese and the Japanese (in particular) don't take any sh.1.t from immigrants - they don't do self-loathing and virtue-signalling guilt for the sins of previous generations.
Breedingmad 14 Jun 17 12:08 I don't get into racist gossip so wouldn't know who dislikes who,
Lots of people don't like others, burying your head and hoping it will go away won't change that.
Breedingmad 14 Jun 17 12:08 I don't get into racist gossip so wouldn't know who dislikes who, Lots of people don't like others, burying your head and hoping it will go away won't change that.
So talk about who you hate because they aren't identical to you try reinforce divisions seems sensible to some but doesn't achieve anything positive for society.
So talk about who you hate because they aren't identical to you try reinforce divisions seems sensible to some but doesn't achieve anything positive for society.
You could have come up with the same arguments when Catholic Irish came to England big families only a matter of time blah blah blah ..spread fear and loathing..The U.K. will never become a Muslim Country no matter how loud you shout.
You could have come up with the same arguments when Catholic Irish came to England big families only a matter oftime blah blah blah ..spread fear and loathing..The U.K. will never become a Muslim Country no matter how loud you shout.
The Muslim population rose by about 75% in England & Wales between 2001 and 2011 (census years!). Source - The Independent. I am not sure what the rate of increase of the percentage of the population that is Muslim was but it will be easily available on the Census stats.
The Muslim population rose by about 75% in England & Wales between 2001 and 2011 (census years!). Source - The Independent. I am not sure what the rate of increase of the percentage of the population that is Muslim was but it will be easily available
Diversion BM, you don't know who I like. Do you argue with the maths though? 4 million now = 64 million in 2057. Won't bother you, I know, but my daughter will still be around.
Diversion BM, you don't know who I like. Do you argue with the maths though? 4 million now = 64 million in 2057. Won't bother you, I know, but my daughter will still be around.
It is the fact that we are born and not invented that means we cannot be born anywhere, we must be born somewhere. If we were in invented , then yes, we could be invented anywhere.
Would I prefer to have been invented ? rather than born . I don't know, I think I may have preferred to have been invented .
It is the fact that we are born and not invented that means we cannot be born anywhere, we must be born somewhere.If we were in invented , then yes, we could be invented anywhere.Would I prefer to have been invented ? rather than born .I don't know,
It's not a matter of disliking Islam because a lot of its followers look different, or because their ancestors were born elsewhere. It's a matter of disagreeing with an ideology.
Otherwise you would have to argue that disliking Nazis is racist, because most of its followers were Germans and Austrians.
Put it this way. If certain radical preachers were white and wore a swastika while demanding the destruction of all Jews, rather than being dark-skinned and wearing pyjamas, would they be allowed to continue?
Islam isn't a race. It's an ideology. It's not a matter of disliking Islam because a lot of its followers look different, or because their ancestors were born elsewhere. It's a matter of disagreeing with an ideology.Otherwise you would have to argue
Numbers would dwindle if there neighbouring safe mulsim brotherhood countries excepted these refugees, like Saudi Arabia, Morrocco Algeria Tunisia, UEA, Kuwait etc. Saudi Arabia has a fully equipped tented village outside Mecca all air conditioned tents that can cater for 100,000 people easily, which is only used during Ramadam month. Saudi Arabia hasn't excepted any Syrian refugees so far since conflict started.
Numbers would dwindle if there neighbouring safe mulsim brotherhood countries excepted these refugees, like Saudi Arabia, Morrocco Algeria Tunisia, UEA, Kuwait etc. Saudi Arabia has a fully equipped tented village outside Mecca all air conditioned te
Saddo - where does the 4m come form. 2011 census shows 2.7m (2,8 including Scotland and NI). The Daily Mail reported in 2016 that ONS report that the number had reached 3m. I doubt the DM would underestimate.
Saddo - where does the 4m come form. 2011 census shows 2.7m (2,8 including Scotland and NI). The Daily Mail reported in 2016 that ONS report that the number had reached 3m. I doubt the DM would underestimate.
Islam is designed to spread around the world, stickyvicky. Pointless taking coals to Newcastle. The Suadi's, instead, build free mosques in any European country that takes em. They have offered loads of mosques to Germany, I don't know if they accepted the offer.
Islam is designed to spread around the world, stickyvicky. Pointless taking coals to Newcastle. The Suadi's, instead, build free mosques in any European country that takes em. They have offered loads of mosques to Germany, I don't know if they accept
Millions will be if Turkish descent, Europe will have a country if 80 million Muslims in Turkey on its border, with links to a German population , the largest country in Europe . Who will Germany favour in case of war in Europe ? or from Europes borders
Millions will be if Turkish descent, Europe will have a country if 80 million Muslims in Turkey on its border, with links to a German population , the largest country in Europe .Who will Germany favour in case of war in Europe ? or from Europes borde
I am assured that the many uncounted illegals can still procreate, blackbarn. Maybe less than I said though, fair enough. At 3 million we'll only have 48 million in 2057, that will be a relief to my grandchildren.
I am assured that the many uncounted illegals can still procreate, blackbarn. Maybe less than I said though, fair enough. At 3 million we'll only have 48 million in 2057, that will be a relief to my grandchildren.
ah !!! the liberal thought has it they will eventually adopt western culture and there will be a steep decline in birth rate
good luck with that one
then add the hundreds of thousands coming here every year through various means
how about the million and half illegals ha ha!!!
ah !!! the liberal thought has it they will eventually adopt western culture and there will be a steep decline in birth rategood luck with that onethen add the hundreds of thousands coming here every year through various meanshow about the million a
Now that is where Christianity came from, and before stretching back to the freedoms and ideals of Ancient Greece and European civilisation. If you don't understand this you are a fool.
Now that is where Christianity came from, and before stretching back to the freedoms and ideals of Ancient Greece and European civilisation.If you don't understand this you are a fool.
It's interesting, these beautiful ideas of freedom and human liberties , do you know they hadn't been thought of before . Out of all people only a few, a handful of people in Ancient Greece had these thoughts . Why in that place, why and how did these few people change the world . No one knows.
It's interesting, these beautiful ideas of freedom and human liberties , do you know they hadn't been thought of before .Out of all people only a few, a handful of people in Ancient Greece had these thoughts .Why in that place, why and how did these
Jeez, how many times do we have to listen to this retarded comparison with other religions?
No Catholics, or any other Christians, or Hindus, or Jews, or any other religion you can think of is going round bombing the sh.1t out of civilians or inspiring individuals to go on the rampage mowing people down with trucks, vans,cars or slitting peoples throats or beheading them in the streets. There is no comparison, absolutely none.
Jeez, how many times do we have to listen to this retarded comparison with other religions? No Catholics, or any other Christians, or Hindus, or Jews, or any other religion you can think of is going round bombing the sh.1t out of civilians or inspir
what always puzzles me is why a 3rd generation british pakistani wants to go and fight in syria
since when has that had any relation to someone living in bradford and family originate from pakistan?
what always puzzles me is why a 3rd generation british pakistani wants to go and fight in syriasince when has that had any relation to someone living in bradford and family originate from pakistan?
They (generation) did not have the imported hate preachers imams, Mosques (Esp Saudi funded) stirring them up, plus we had not destroyed Iraq, Libya, and Syria, etc, etc.
They (generation) did not have the imported hate preachers imams, Mosques (Esp Saudi funded) stirring them up, plus we had not destroyed Iraq, Libya, and Syria, etc, etc.
Aha there it is, "the Crusades" response. Zzzzz BM, history not your strong point I take it?
Muslims had been massacring Christians way way before that - in fact more than 450 years before the Pope declared the First Crusade.
In any case, WTF has religious battles that took place a thousand years ago got to do with today ? Mankind has moved on, way way on. All but one group, that is.
Aha there it is, "the Crusades" response. Zzzzz BM, history not your strong point I take it?Muslims had been massacring Christians way way before that - in fact more than 450 years before the Pope declared the First Crusade. In any case, WTF ha
IRA ? Remind me again about the Irish caliphate / world domination objective and slaughtering of all non-catholics, enslavery and oppression of Irish women, and demand for Sh-IRA law in towns nowhere near Ireland. I must have missed that bit
IRA ? Remind me again about the Irish caliphate / world domination objective and slaughtering of all non-catholics, enslavery and oppression of Irish women, and demand for Sh-IRA law in towns nowhere near Ireland. I must have missed that bit
No Catholics, or any other Christians, or Hindus, or Jews, or any other religion you can think of is going round bombing the sh.1t out of civilians.
Was just pointing out that Part was Wrong Plat ,Infact what about the Unabomber he was complete Nutter with a cause
No Catholics, or any other Christians, or Hindus, or Jews, or any other religion you can think of is going round bombing the sh.1t out of civilians.Was just pointing out that Part was Wrong Plat ,Infact what about the Unabomber he was complete Nutter