Hospitals and GP surgeries could be targeted by terrorists.

I seriously doubt they will kill 1% of the people killed accidently by doctors and surgeons every year.  They learn by killing us. It's a silent contract, so to speak.

If the country didn't kick off big time when these bastards killed kids then I very much doubt it will kick off if they target sick people. Stiff upper lip eh?

It's amazing that other people give terrorist's ideas all the time.

wit-ham....it's ridiculous that they do!

I'm going to post a whole string of heinous suggestions, to do my bit to help.......


......on second thoughts, maybe not!

We've already bombed 4 of their countries what exactly do you mean by 'kick off'? Nuclear weapons flying in every direction?

So far, ISIL here and in Europe has targeted people having fun -- tourists, concerts, carnivals, and the like.

In theory they could target hospitals -- but they could also target supermarkets or well, anywhere else. Mass murder is surprisingly easy if you do not care about being caught. We must try to keep a stiff upper lip and hope the authorities have learned from the recent outrages by terrorists who were already on watch lists.

detraveller 11 Jun 17 09:17
We've already bombed 4 of their countries what exactly do you mean by 'kick off'? Nuclear weapons flying in every direction?

Could you please clarify what you mean by "their countries"?

I wasn't aware IS had any countries.

I hope you aren't mixing up IS and the vast majority of "peaceful" Muslims.

Isn't that what you warn everybody else about doing?

No that's not what I preach.

Jun 11, 2017 -- 5:04AM, Ramruma wrote:

So far, ISIL here and in Europe has targeted people having fun -- tourists, concerts, carnivals, and the like. In theory they could target hospitals -- but they could also target supermarkets or well, anywhere else. Mass murder is surprisingly easy if you do not care about being caught. We must try to keep a stiff upper lip and hope the authorities have learned from the recent outrages by terrorists who were already on watch lists.

I have always said that its strange how terrorists choose a method that kills less people when even a brainless idiot can tell yo uways that will kill more people more easily. Its almost like they have bets on number of casuaties. And the bomber himself backs one as insurance for his family and then he chooses a method that kills people in the range he has backed.

The 3 burqa clad women armed with knives the other day pinned down a woman and screamed Allah. The victim received minor cuts on her arm. They probably backed 'no casualties'. Because they were certainly armed to kill but decided to inflict a minor injury after having pinned down the victim.

Let me repeat the question detraveller just in case you missed it and answered something else.

Could you please clarify what you mean by "their countries"?

I meant muslim countries

detraveller 11 Jun 17 12:07
I meant muslim countries

I see. You meant countries that are not tolerant of freedom of religion.

detraveller tying himself in knots here.

^ If only

?

While I was in the middle east in the 90's they had reports then of islamists plalnning to poison reservoirs and bomb westerners,mowing down tourits visiting the pyramids,etc. This was long before Afghanistan,Iraq and Libya. It is a complete misunderstanding to think the hatred has stemmed from 'attacking these countries'. The global media attention has aggravated all that but the hatred existed well before,Blair and Bush made it worse but they didnt create it.

Detraveller's hatred of America and its Western allies also stems, coincidentally enough, from a time long before Afghanistan and the Gulf War.

yeah it was pope urban 2 that started it

The thing is, people have a very different point of view when the war is at home compared to when it is abroad. When our soldiers were sent to other countries, it was to spread peace, liberate the people and install western style democracy. When their people came here as refugees, the purpose was to spread their religion and install their type of rule. When I said its only fair that the enemies hits back in a war, I was labelled an islam apologist. Pretty soon I was a liberal as well(Both words were not a part of my conscious English vocabulary before this). Then there were a certain type of people who wanted a ruthless solution and they were labelled right wingers. Also not a part of my English vocabulary(because I never followed politics i guess). In short, we are just busy labelling each other, instead of solving any issues.

My point has always been this. What will we achieve when we have convinced the entire world that Islam is a dangerous religion? Once we've done that, we'll realize a quarter of the world is themselves muslim. Once we ban Islam, we'll have a billion and a half people to deal with. Today you complain about them not standing up against their fellows who bomb in the name of their religion. Tomorrow you'll be looking at them as active participators. In 2001, we went to Afghanistan because 60 odd Brits also died in the attacks. Today, we've managed to kill Brits many times over, both at home and abroad, and in addition to that we have a solid base of islamic fanatics who will cotinue killing many times more in the future. Even today we could decide to solve our issues, remove these people, and live the way we have always lived. But that's not possible. Because unless you were sleeping the last 3 years, you will realize that your own people have done exactly the opposite of what they were supposed to do. They've invited peope to your hometowns who have started killing you. Tomorrow you'll not even be safe inside your own home. And the only worry you have s that a 1400 year old religion wants to finish you all, when your own govt has done everything it can to bring that same religion to Europe. Your govt breeds the very people you hate, yet you refuse to blame the gvt, but want a solution to Islam.

I am not remotely interested in protecting Islamic interests on this forum, though I know I always sound like that. Yes I am against foreign invasions. That's not because I think foreign invasions cause islamic terrorism(they don't like treetop pointed out). Its because I believe we need to do more at home instead of in other countries. There is a very simple solution to our problems. We could ask the govt why they are constantly promoting one religion and inviting their people in, instead of finding problems with those people and wondering why they dont integrate. But no one wants to stop inviting these people, all are interested in correcting their religion. That's the same with Brexit. People think border control will stop refugees from coming in. They dont know that all it takes is a 20 pound ferry to cross over, and border control doesn't even bother to check(which they should according to current laws too).

Is it too much to ask your own government to stop promoting Islam in Europe? isn't it a better solution instead of whining all day about what Islam is and how its followers want to kill us all, a religion you have zero control over?

@jed I was not even a teenager at the start of afghan war and dont have a clue about the gulf war.

The foolishness of your opinions and your purblind knee-jerk statements on these matters gave away your relative youth detraveller.

I knew you will say that once i mentioned my age. Thats my point. We are busy proving each other wrong while the people who will eventually kill us are being invited to live among us. You didn't tell me though if my opinions make me aliberal, conservative, right-left winger, or just a jerk?

Oh he's used 5000 words to make his point, that must mean he knows what he's talking about.

detraveller you raise from time to time many good points but your use of the term sheep to refer to our troops is offensive. I am an ex service man although not for this country and I'm a big boy so say what you like about me, not really bothered. However my son is currently in the military and joined for his reasons, many join for the job training, some for adventure etc etc but what ever the reason they all know and accept that if a conflict comes along then they are likely to see action which they accept. I'm sure you will not change your views because of anything I say nor would I want you too but out of respect for those who've served or are serving please have a thought of your use of the word sheep.


As its dropped down I've copy and pasted this from the Helmond post. At the start of this post you will all note I said that detraveller raises some good points and I think he has done here however detraveller I again would ask you to refrain from calling our servicemen "sheep"

I love how someone like traveller preaches to us from a foreign country.

However here is an excellent article of the fight back and changing scene in another wonderful culture and country.  (actually Iran is a lovely place in parts)

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jun/12/girls-ride-bikes-iranian-women-defy-cycling-fatwa-tehran

Jun 12, 2017 -- 8:33AM, moisok wrote:

I love how someone like traveller preaches to us from a foreign country.However here is an excellent article of the fight back and changing scene in another wonderful culture and country.  (actually Iran is a lovely place in parts)https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jun/12/girls-ride-bikes-iranian-women-defy-cycling-fatwa-tehran

Yes I do preach from a foreign country. Because most of your problems do 'sneak in' and claim benefits from a 'certain foreign country in your neighborhood'. And I did happen to be working at one of those arrival lounges for our vip guests. But you clearly think it's some magical islamic powers that make it happen and not yours and mine politicians.

@ufcdan I dont take any pleasure in insulting anyone(and would take back the use of the term if i could). But regarding soldiers, my basic point was, they sign up knowing pretty well they'll be a pawn for the politicians. Your son will be too, sorry to say. Feelings of patriotism will overshadow that but people need to know most of our problems and their solutions are political and there is no military solution to them. Your son may be saving britain from inside threats very soon but he has signed up for the people who are nurturing those very threats that he'll be asked to fight.

Jun 11, 2017 -- 1:37AM, Ovalman. wrote:

If the country didn't kick off big time when these bastards killed kids then I very much doubt it will kick off if they target sick people. Stiff upper lip eh?

Pick bits of shredded children out of your face and people talk about 'Unity', 'Solidarity', and 'Standing Together'.

Claim there's been an attack on the NHS however and you'll end up getting 268 seats in Parliament

This was a communication sent to numerous places telling them to be on their guard.
The media have cherry picked what they want to sensationalise the story.