The Labour Party has betrayed us.

sorry anxious but it was blair et al that started this ball rolling a very large ball of several million

hope this helps

IT IS POLICY

Momentum on tour.Bullying and intimidation is their stock in trade. Ask Angela Eagle.

What is clear now is that what little chance Labour had in the general election has now been extinguished, they are gonna get smashed now on June 8th.

All political parties court any vote they can get

Why are they going to get smashed ? , absolute nonsense being posted on here

The best we can hope for is to rebuild Labour from scratch after the election with genuinely decent people who will represent the ordinary British worker. Completely disassociating from Momentum needs to be a priority.

The Tories have been in power for the last 7 years and done SFA about anything

Hey !! Say I am completely wrong.   

Could you imagine Labour criticising Islam.

Imagine the voting carnage in east london for starters

I will leave you with that thought.

we have a local london councillor 'vibrant' apologist firing away on sky now!! 'resiliance - spirit of london'

I wonder if our friends in east london have the same spirit?

The Home secretary is key in this. Who do you want dealing with police matters, Amber Rudd or Dianne Abbott?

Corbyn and Abbot. The dynamic duo of appeasement.

Indeed im sure getting rid of 20 thousand Old Bill is a great policy

It is this omission by denial that gets me.  Talk about head in sand etc.
Talk about police, bravery, stand together etc etc - pure diversion

Getting rid of 20,000 Muslim fundamentalists would be a better policy.

Jun 4, 2017 -- 11:33AM, anxious wrote:

The Tories have been in power for the last 7 years and done SFA about anything

True, but May has now come out and pointed the finger at Islam, that is going to resonate with many, many voters, whether you question her integrity or not after recent incidents that will win the election, easily.

Stick to the policy if you can have the Tories cut the Old Bill by 20 thousand Yes or No ?

Diane Abbott wants to erase terrorist records to wipe the slate clean and curtail the powers of our intelligence agencies. She also said any victory for the IRA over the British State is a victory for all of us!

Of course she will do because she knows she is losing and now is pleading for voted

anxious    04 Jun 17 11:17 
In Manchester the Labour Party has always campaigned over the years for the , Jewish Vote , Irish vote , Muslim vote because the city full off immigrants and always has been




No surprise that Labour bangs the drum for freedom of movement and more immigration then, more votes in it. They have been happy to give the country away for short term self  interest. Shameful.

no - Labour have had a specific policy for getting the 'asian' vote

There are probably only about 20 Labour MPs (backed by Momentum activists) who are rotten. The trouble is they are on the front bench and have hijacked the Party.  Most of this situation can be blamed on Miliband's naive stupidity in opening the door to extremism. Labour are no longer the party of the British worker, they are extremists and extremist appeasers.

What absolute drivel you post Saddo in Manchester there have been for a hundred years large Irish, Jewish , communities , there as never been a problem with anything in this City

there is just one cult there is a problem with

they hide amongst their own who will not report them

not much of an issue with any other 'asian' group, jews or irish  - don't try to bury the issue in with the rest

We have a terrible problem with Islamic extremism in Manchester. That much is dreadfully obvious.

Look no further than the industrial scale of sexual abuse perpetrated by Muslim grooming gangs against white teenage girls as evidence that our cultures are not compatible.

The Asian vote in the 2015 General Election was about 53 percent Labour 45 per cent Tory

It's not an Asian problem, it's an Islam problem. Not all Asians follow Islam.

Correct K.Louis.

Correct K.Louis.

The Indians and Chinese in Manchester integrate very well into the British way of life.

We are not talking about dangerous Jews, anxious we are talking about Muslims. Blair/Labour gave them the impression that the country would be run to suit them, ie we now have halal meat forced on everyone.

I know what we are talking about , did I say that there wasn't a problem , no I never said that , but to blame One Political party for the present dreadful events is simply wrong

anxious -  are you dianne abbotts husband by any chance

the Labour party set the tone and got the ball rolling

never betrayed me.

free education growing up.
NHS
housing.

all due to Labour.

bradford , luton , tower hamlets

Rochdale, Rotherham, High Wycombe...

no no no  it is all to do with bombing syria etc - nothing to do with the islamic community

you are such silly boys

Agreed moisok ISIS only punished the Yazidi's after their successful bombing campaign

IT is hard to stomach what the Labour Party has become, the founders will be turning in their grave. Labour has abandoned us.

Emily Thornberry has resigned from Labour's front bench after sending a tweet during the Rochester and Strood by-election which was branded "snobby".

The shadow attorney general apologised for the message, which showed a terraced house with three England flags, and a white van parked outside.

UKIP said she had "sneered, and looked down her nose at a white van in Strood with the cross of St George on it".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30139832     2014.

How was she ever brought back in to the Shadow Cabinet??

Ps I voted Labour once....when they were Labour.

Your threads seem to be following a pattern, King Louis.

Whatever the subject you seem to blame Labour.
You seem to have an idea from somewhere (and it's done all the time in the media) that if you say "I have always been a Labour voter, but this time I'm voting Conservative, people will follow suit.

Trouble is you've suggested Labour are bad too many times....
The misinformation is too much for most people to believe, but you seem to want to keep suggesting it, in the guise of a sort of naivety you don't possess.

Just to be confirm what I read from you over the last few days:

Appreciation for Bigmo's ridiculous list of 50 terrible things that Labour are responsible for (I'm surprised it didn't include Jimmy Saville).
Corbyn et al are IRA sympathisers/supporters
Labour is now somehow a defender of Muslim terrorism (or has this thread got a different meaning?).

Your earlier apparent need to be swayed one way or the other is surprising since you're now mentioning 20 "rotten Labour MPs" and "momentum".

Be a bit honest mate - even though most of this nonsense is derived from the Mail, Telegraph and other Tory supporting lying journalists.
There is NO WAY on Earth you'd ever vote Labour.

It's the way Tories generally campaign.... You can vote for US - and we're good!!!! OR YOU CAN VOTE FOR THEM

Can't speak for Louis but I doubt many think the Cons are 'good'.

Just a slightly better option. I would guess many would agree we've been sold down the river by politicians of all colours..

I can't vote for my Con candidate (we don't get along) here so I'm a floater.

All political parties are to blame for this mess, it didn't happen over night.

White western guilt for empire and wars going back 100's of years creates a feeling that all that is wrong in the world is some how our fault and anything bad that happens to us is deserved.

This creates a climate of appeasement and apology from politicians and the media.  This is seen as a weakness to be exploited.

Jun 4, 2017 -- 10:43AM, King Louis wrote:

Because I'm a Labour Party voter, but I've had enough. They have taken my loyalty and thrown it back in my face and I'm angry. They no longer represent my views, I feel they have betrayed the British working class. The great British working class.

And This ^^^^

Really?
The Conservatives represent which of your traditional working class values exactly?

I don't believe you one bit.
This country has a radical right wing government, austerity has crippled most 'working class' people.
There is a right-wing press fuelling hatred of opposition and basically a Labour party which is more like that of 60 years ago than any time since.

Injera, I would agree with that.
They have been so busy looking after their own interests for the last 40 years, they really have sold us down the river.
I wouldn't want more of the same myself, whatever my traditional allegiance.

TheBaron, The people doing this awful stuff don't care about who's in power. They've been doing it for ever and are not open about it, which why it's hard to stop.

I haven't heard your apology for slavery yet Baron!!??

People are being imbued with a sense that they are a victim of white Europeans   and  the cause of  whats wrong in their life can be found in a  quick history lesson, framed in the right way, that shows them that peace and harmony abounded until the evil white western Europeans arrived.

This was quite interesting.... Just in case you think Labour are to blame for any current grief and it's not policy.....

https://twitter.com/IamalrightJack/status/871309223258447872

Studyform.
I have never voted Tory in my life. And never will. I always thought of you as a decent bloke, so am really taken aback by your sudden attack, especially as you seem to be keeping some sort of record of my posts. Really really disappointing. How dare you question my word and my values. I have voted Labour all my life, as did my father before me. I no longer will because they are no longer the Labour Party. I either won't vote at all (probably) or I'll vote Greens.
Unless you want to apologise don't bother replying to me, you can get lost as far as I'm concerned. Apparently you're just like the rest of the cyber bullies and that is sad.

it is better to keep silent if one is going to be rude, keeping silent is easy.

if anxious and studyform were to keep silent they could avoid causing the least damage or harm.

The greens ? they are more left wing than Jeremy

Why i thought you warmed to my posts lfc

I'm posting anti Labour threads now because I'm really angry with them. They have encouraged unlimited immigration and cravenly canvassed the Muslim vote. Some cities and towns are virtually no go areas in places and now the evil has murdered 22 of our my fellow Mancs including kids. I'm angry. I feel Labour policies, the Labour I voted for in the 90s, has helped to bring this about. I won't vote for them again. If you can't understand or respect that then just get lost and leave me alone.

yes that's true anxious, I must admit. I tell lies elsewhere, not here in front of myself

Don't worry about Studyform, King. He sees himself as superior to all beings, his views as unquestionable.

louey, did you ever think blier was a labourite at heart.

I am simply responding to all the stuff you have written, king Louis, nothing more, nothing less.
I suggest you have a read through them to see what I've got wrong.

All I'm seeing is vitriol and blind hatred towards a Labour Party which is more in touch with the 'working class' than at any time since Atlee.

I have never bullied anyone in my life and you're right, I AM a decent bloke.

I have kept no records of anything. Just read (as I did) what you have written and tell me where I misunderstood anything, (With the exception of your voting history - which I'd have thought would have made you more anti-tory than anti-labour).

They haven't helped terrorists what you're suggesting is ridiculous. Blaming an opposition party you have "always supported" - They have NOTHING to do with the Blair administration, btw.

Read this, for a slightly more balanced view. And I'm not suggesting Tories support it either.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia

Saddo, I don't. Compared to you I am though, yes.

Louis please think carefully about voting Green. Dont they believe in more immigration and more expensive energy bills for all. The leader suggested she wants to ban all encryption on the internet last week meaning the end of the commercial internet.

UKIP is a party that has different views on immigration and terrorism.

1.01 landed there Studyform, ta. Knew you wouldn't be able to resist, your vanity will be your undoing one day.

Me vain?
I don't think so.

Oh and for the last 7 years, immigration hasn't changed very much has it?
How is that Labour's fault?
May was in charge of the borders.

We are in serious trouble in this country. There are people on here, just chit chatters I know, who are part of the problem as with nearly all politicoes/establishment and what have you.  There is an apologists agenda for what ever reason. You would think if there was a danger  there would be an appropriate response.  There isn't and there won't be.

KL i am from Manchester too and i am very sad and angry about the bombings too , but if you start a thread do not expect evryone to agree with you, some people will do and that is their right and some people might not agree with you and that is their right to , yes the Labour Party are far from perfect but they do not and are not responsible for Islamic state killing people all over Europe

Some are happy to continue giving the country away. It's a problem right enough.

blair started the ball rolling - just saying - rub the right's noses in it and all that

all for the 'asian' vote

Anxious. What you and Studyform have said about me on here goes beyond disagreeing with me, that would have been perfectly fine as YOUR right as you say. You have both questioned my integrity about being a former Labour voter and totally dismissed MY rights to have my views respected. That is the truth of it and the facts are still above us in black and white. I have never chatted with you before so had no preconceptions. I HAD chatted with Studyform and considered him a better man than that. Apparently he is only nice to people who share his views 100%.

saddo, i am not sure what you mean, the brexit vote was a wake up call to anyone thinking that the majority of folk in england

are happy with things as they are.

anxious
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KL i am from Manchester too and i am very sad and angry about the bombings too , but if you start a thread do not expect evryone to agree with you, some people will do and that is their right and some people might not agree with you and that is their right to , yes the Labour Party are far from perfect but they do not and are not responsible for Islamic state killing people all over Europe

..

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't IS a direct result of the lack of planning by Blair and Bush before the Iraq war? Blair had the intel and chose to back Bush anyway. No one outside Labour had the full intel so could only back the war because they believed what they were being told about the intel.

Anyway I'm off to watch the concert.

KL i have not questioned your integrity at all , i have merely suggested that you didnt sound like a ex Labour voter because of the way you viciously attacked them , i accept that people do not always agree with my views and that is their opinion , if you feel that strongly about this matter then ok i apologise if have caused you distress

KL, you managed to ignore just about everything else I wrote to and about you.
But, I believe you, you've always voted Labour. Sorry!

It's hardly bullying, is it?
Suggesting your statements might be over the top and unreasonable?

Don't worry King Louis I'm with you I won't vote Labour either

Mind you I'd give Liz Kendall a shot if that counts

Does your missus know your on here again Dan

Anyone voting for Jeremy and Diane need urgent medical attention

If the tories get in again nobody will be getting medical attention

I did tell my missus anxious, she assured me that Liz would be happy about that but I think she might be fibbing

Careful anxious your so sharp you might cut yourself

Quite good that, anxious.

Quite good but untrue.

.. quite right, some of us have private medical care, not me i might add.

Maybe not in your area foinavon, but it certainly is in this area.

anxious -

Decent line!

C'mon chaps - I think we all want the same. A govt to be proud of. Not sure we'll get that on friday whoever wins...

A Government of National Unity is what our country needs thats for sure , i might be a dreamer but im not the only one , hopefully this  might happen

Which area is that, studyform? Both my wife and I have been able to see a GP when needed and my wife must have had three or four hospital visits over the past year.

I'm still wondering which area studyform was referring to. Does anybody know?

If anyone believes the NHS is safe in Tory hands they really have got their heads in the sand.

Essex.
I had to have an Op in December.
I only waited 18 months. After it finished (2.5 hours), I was sent home within 2 hours.
Needless to say the various inevitable problems meant time and grief which would have all been avoided with a couple of days stay.

There are only 5 A&E departments left in the whole county. None in the north of it, so often a trip to hospital is up to an hour and try to find somewhere to park!!!
And the plan is to cut 2 of those.

Then there are the GP's. The last time I asked for an appointment which I didn't have to queue up at 8am to beg for. It was SIX weeks!

I have had to visit the hospital and various specialists many times throughout the last few years.
Only one consultant is any good and thankfully she travels to smaller regional hospitals occasionally. The rest do OK on the 4 days a week they earn fortunes for and demigod status. then leave all the work to nurses and underlings.

Much of the space is sold off to outside companies: M&S, WH Smith, Costa, Car Parks, vending machines, all ridiculously priced, they take money out of the NHS and it goes to the companies involved.

Cuts to services - without doubt - killed my mum and that was 17 years ago, and in London.
It has got worse since then and this isn't the worst part of the country.

Now (Check out the Naylor report) May wants more of the same. Just like Police stations, she wants to sell the buildings at cut prices to new companies who are....
well, who are they? You'll never know.

I'm happy for you that you have experienced only good things. Millions haven't. I definitely haven't.

Not a single public service is safe in Tory hands. They are so far in the westminster bubble, ordinary people (ie US) don't appear on the radar.

Where is Shadow Home Secretary Abbott hiding at this desperate time for our country?  A time when we have umpteen thousand Jihadists roaming the streets as they wish, no doubt protected by the hundreds of thousands of Peace-Lovers who we know are broadly in support of them.

Come Friday morning Abbott might be in charge of Policing and the Anti-Terror strategy.

I want to hear what she's got to say, for one thing, about Jihadists and ISIS fighters returning to the UK.

Perhaps she's been ordered to lie low after ANOTHER Labour car-crash comes back into glaring public view.

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https://order-order.com/2017/06/05/corbyn-mcdonnell-abbott-voted-to-allow-isis-fighters-to-return-to-britain/

Sorry to hear that you have had such problems. It seems to be better here in the West Midlands but I only have anecdotal evidence.

I was in he West Midlands until nearly 2 years ago, too. Russells Hall not marvellous, but the GP was very good, Foinavon.
The QE - recently built at a ridiculous cost imo, when the existing one wasn't so bad, is fairly typical though, of the sort of business enterprise I see round here!

Same place, alun2005, as Ian Duncan Smith.
Perhaps they're having a pint together.
The link you posted is a typical misrepresentation (twisting) of facts.

Clearly there are big discrepancies in the quality of service around the country and we can all only speak of our own experiences.

In my case, if I need to see my GP I call at 8.30 am and without fail I have been able to see them the same day.

I have recently been referred to hospital for test/scans and have only ever had to wait a few weeks. During my most recent visit two weeks ago, they decided that I need to go in for treatment. They offered me a date in July which I have had to get put back as I am going to America!

I realise that I am lucky to get this sort of service and am not doubting that others have a considerably worse time than me but I am posting this to show that not everybody’s NHS experience is bad.

It's 8.00 for my surgery, Gin. but it's virtually impossible to get through before every appointment is gone, what's left is a locum - so getting to build a relationship with your GP is tricky.

I had a heart 'stress test' 4 weeks ago - could only be done 15 miles away, in the middle of a working day. I'm STILL waiting for results.

The thing is NOBODY's experience should be bad!

Have a nice trip, btw :)

Thanks and sorry to hear that Study - I normally end up calling to get my results as although they say they will they never do (unless its a bad result).

I have to say that I don't really care which doctor I see so somebody is always available so that makes it easier.

It does make you wonder how some places can get it right so much better than others.

Numbers of hospitals and GPs for the amount of population.
It's the worst it's ever been.

That's what happens when you open the doors and build nowt to service the flow, good old Blair never gave it a thought.

It's what happens when you cut the service every year for 38 years.

from 350,000 beds to 142,000 beds. That's why there aren't enough beds.

So unilaterally letting in unlimited numbers of citizens from ten countries on the same day, may have been a less than good idea then?

The cuts made, in the NHS especially, but also in police, defence, education, welfare (and everything else except for MPs and their friends and family)
are far bigger than the numbers of increase you're so obsessed with.

None of this has happened overnight, it started with Thatcher, went on through her b'stard son Blair and hasn't stopped.

Everything has come together to make most people poorer than ever, more stressed than ever and now less happy than ever (despite Cameron's attempt to do happiness surveys).

We all argue, they all have a nice job, good income, 6 months holiday a year.

Get rid of all the liars, then the rest will get better, possibly quicker than it got so bad.