When does trump commit to regime change in N.Korea?

see the thread `I watched German concentration camps - factual survey last night.

I've seen it, now what?

I don`t know, it doesn't bother me. Things that happened 70 years ago don't bother me,
I insist on being unbothered by that.

does it bother you dusty, the concentration camps, the millions of deaths, the terror, the starvation, the repression?
I don`t know

Yep can't be blamed what our ancestors did, this country is hardly blameless regarding concentration camps, chemical warfare, mass executions etc. You don't take over two thirds of the world by being nice ! Today though we benefit from past actions being one of the richest countries in the world and for me there is place I'd rather live..............and as a dual national I do have a choice

we should be grateful to America, grateful that they destroyed that evil regime and stopped the madness of its brutal dictator.
who could deny that?
the concentration camps were liberated and we should all say a little prayer of thanks everyday we live.

Agree funny though lefties from the free western world always demonstrate against the USA, you never see them plotted up outside the Russian or Syrian embassies

though lefties from the free western world always demonstrate against the USA

They seem to hate the entire west. Particularly USA, UK and Israel.

LFC - you say you're unbothered by the Nazi atrocities but within 10 minutes also say we should say a little prayer of thanks.


Not for the first time, you've left me confused.

It's very true that both concentration camps and eugenics were both British inventions that were emulated by others trying to do what Britain did, destroy opposing views and rule.
This has nothing to do with helping percieved injustice in another country, it's about opportunism and using an action to appear powerful to garner support at home, and create a homogenised planet where all fall and suckle from the American breast.

English monarchy used similar tactics when enforcing their rule by appearing strong in the face of claims to the crown, it's just there are no avenues nowadays to crush their own at home so they pick and chose who to invade next.

My point was that trump got elected on the domestic first ticket, which he's s hit all down.
N.korea might not be Americas cup of tea but it's not for them to choose....like I said, other than shooting missiles into the sea what have they done?
America hold annual events on their boarder just the same.

In N. Korea there are vast concentration camps and state abductions, public executions and the enslavement of entire families. Former prisoner Shin Dong Hyuk was beaten , tortured and forced to watch the execution of his mother and brother at the age of 13. When he eventually escaped he was 23.
A woman was forced to drown her own baby and entire families  tortured and imprisoned for watching a banned foreign soap opera.

Young Soon told amnesty international
My mother and father were over 70 years of age
my 9 year old daughter, my 3 sons 7,4 and 1
When my parents starved to death I didn't have any coffins for them
I wrapped their bodies in straw and carried them on my back to bury them
When asked what the conditions were like she replied
"It is a place that would make your hair stand on end "

Well pp, it's a bit hypocritical to be bothered about what happened 70 years ago and not be bothered about what is happening today . It's easier of course .

So emperor trump will decide what is and isn't acceptable.
After he's finished worshiping money.

Is dustybin bothered about what was done by the nazis 70 years ago, and the murder if millions of innocent people , whole families ? I don't know .
He will claim to be worried about Britain and its role in concentration camps .
That doesn't bother me either .

You see what is it is not acceptable? Well no ones perfect that is true.
But i like living in England, I am grateful to England for its freedoms

I lived and worked in America, and I was grateful for its freedoms also

I don't quite see how what I made of nazi concentration camps has any bearing on how opportunistic foreign policy is used today.
I understand the sentiment of some sort of comparison to a dictorial regime but there's always a reason.
Many turn out to be untrue after the event lest I remind you.

If it's as bad as assumed then wait for them to overthrow the rule.

It's just like the ngo's flying illegally into Libya with that well known Tory politician along with 6 SAS crew stirring up s hit right before the proxy war....
Or like that well known son of a well known Tory woman leader in Africa......

Why do we have to worry about NK at all? We've worried so much about Afg, Iraq and Libya and most people here still whine about the after effects of that. The refugee crisis has clearly shown that people are fine as long as the war is at another place but really p1ss their pants when the war coems home, even if that's in the form of refugees.

Let's not bother about other countries for a change and let the americans take care of it alone.

If the US was to invade N. Korea it would be one of the greatest and most noble acts of any country in history .

you do talk some ****ing b0llocks,you really haven't a clue ifc

There are two basic reasons why America will never attack NK.

1. NK has almost guaranteed its safety against bullying by achieving nuclear capability.

2. Half the South Korean population lives in the Greater Seoul region. That is all NK have to hit in case of a war.

And war is never a noble act lfc. I know you love the americans because according to you any country should be thankful the americans invade it. Americans have a really bad record of actually liberating people from tyrant govts. A couple good examples yes but that's not worth the misery they bring on the rest of the world.

Interesting discussion on the subject on Daily Politics with Andrew Neil interviewing Sebastian Gorka.

no idea how the world is run,actually proberly better off not having a clue

If they do what America tells them that will be a step in the right direction.

Yeah like Europe's been doing what america tells them

...and cleaning up the mess too like an obedient slave.

don't have the first clue what detraveller is talking about.

Look at it this way, the last time America invaded Europe it was because they deserved it, especially Germany
Who would deny that ?

What I tend to see with the conservative mentality whether 'neo' or 'traditional' is that they simply cant stop interfering in other peoples' business or try to tell them what to do or think, especially if they can make collateral doing it.
Its like they are programmed as mini meglomaniacs.

It's ok, you are allowed to think whichever way you want in America , and England
and even not to think at all. there is complete freedom to do that also.
If you think this is the case in most countries you are gravely mistaken
N Korea is one of the most extreme examples.

Then pick up your gun and you go deal with it then.
Instead of wormy politicians hiding behind false manifestos and mandates to rule pointing the place they want others to die for them.

The day we get invaded will be the day Ill help you lfc, until then you go tub thumping on your own.

I would consider it an honour and something beautiful to do so, to serve in such an undertaking to invade N Korea and overthrow that evil and brutal regime.

Exactly. But no matter how bad they are, it doesn't justify an american invasion. That is the point im trying to make. Remember how bad Afghanistan and Iraq was? Theya aren't better off. I know you blame the people for not willing to change, and their religion too. But that's the point. The world is not compatible with the western way. Sooner we realize that, the better it will be. Kim sh1ts on his own people should not be anyone's concern. If it was Belgium or Holland ill understand. But NK is another Iraq and Libya waiting to explode. The only difference is they have a million strong nuclear army and no matter how bad that army is, that's nothing to laugh about.

I don't believe the Korean people would behave in the same way as Iraq and other countries.
I may be wrong, but I believe it is something they would thank us for , all their life .

I do think it should be enshrined in law that every child of eligible age must be forced to go on the front line if their parent was an MP/Senator etc and voted to go to war.

Let's see how much the sabre rattling dries up then.

Whenever I see Mike Pence talking up conflict I think it had to have been a stone in the shoe of his father at every meal time refering back to the war they never won.

pp I think you will that in England it is the tradition that the British ruling classes are prepared to make these great sacrifices. now don't start that nonsense , in England everyone was prepared to do these things for our freedoms

@PP Never happening. Politicians know that the people know that but there are enough sheeps out there willing to go to war thinking its a noble cause and as long as we have enough of them, the politicians wont need to send their own. If it ever comes down to that, the same politicians will become anti war and continue serving the people. That's how politics works.

Also look at what you are asking them to do. You are asking the lawmakers to write it into a law that they'll have to send their own children to war :D What are the odds on that happening?

lfc
All those at sandhurst tend to be more in danger of paper cuts on their tongues sending letters home to grieving parents.
While recruiting stations tend to be in working class neighbourhood scooping up kids off the streets only for politicians to find reasons to give them things to die for.

Its true the last generation and the one before did join to fight a tyranny....one that was taking over countries at will, not simply shooting missiles into the sea.

detraveller • April 27, 2017 1:41 PM BST
Yeah like Europe's been doing what america tells them Grin

lfc1971 • April 27, 2017 1:47 PM BST
don't have the first clue what detraveller is talking about.

Lfc, I just came across a Boris interview where he says if the US needed our help in North Korea, it will be very difficult for us to say no. That's what I was talking about. British sheeps will most probably have to join, just like Afg and Iraq. Dont know about German sheeps but they'll probably be going too as part of NATO.

you get a million guys to arrive in donald duck masks on the coasts on North Korea on dingies. they just sit on the beaches. then move one foot an hour until they are in the capital. conquered. surrealist war.

They have just test fired a ballistic missile lol, his a very naughty man

Trump developing a big super magnet.

Pearly queens nk branch? Bet they make a racket in the washine machine.

oh dear.

it's seems as though Kim Jong-un is committed to starting a conflict.

He wouldn't last very long.

What have they to lose?

when all the pieces are in place - controlled mayhem by the big boss. A vs B. drawing us all into a fake conflict.

A few million more ordinary, if brainwashed, people set to be killed, maimed, starved, displaced.
Again.
For what?

Kim is calling Trumps bluff, the scary thing is that Trump will bite.

I posted a link 2 weeks ago that Trump is the sole person to call the shots: http://www.radiolab.org/story/nukes/

If he wants, he could press that button without question at any time and everyone will act, all because he has bigger balls than the North Korean Leader.

NK has nothing to lose over this brinkmanship while the World rests on one man (maniac?) who has control over that button.

the question is whether china will intervene before trump acts.

i refuse to believe that trump is diplomatically savvy enough to have deliberately engineered this situation but it seems as though that's where we're at.

It seems America are concerned that N.Korea will at some point develop missiles with enough distance that will reach America, so they want to move in now while they can only obliterate other countries closer....and not question the fact that N.Korea hadn't done so until America got involved.
But then that's the mentality....who gives a fook about anyone other than Americans?

north korea is on the 2000 list of countries that the americans want to take over for "regime change",Libya,syria,iran and saddems amonest others so no great surprise whats happening surely?

Lot of leftie ignorance on this thread. Love that photo of the generals.

It's like they're trying to secretly create a suit of armour. All those badges and not one Blue Peter or Kim'll Fix it.