Erdogan. Another election con.

All over the civilised (?) world, politicians have worked out that lying to rednecks and rural people and those easily swayed who will believe whatever they're told, works!


Perfectly put, STUDYFORM

It's worked for donkeys years with Hollywoods rednecks..

Great news - the new Ottoman Sultan has need of 'Christian' Janissaries. I've volunteered all of you - if not circumcised this will be an interesting induction.

Studyform - I've been thinking about this stuff for a while. The egg is complicated. Still, change or die, eh?

Now that was no comfort at all, was it?

We know we can do better.

And the rednecks know more than 'we'/you think.

Slivovic now, talk later. Much later.

Apr 16, 2017 -- 11:16PM, annie. wrote:

All over the civilised (?) world, politicians have worked out that lying to rednecks and rural people and those easily swayed who will believe whatever they're told, works!Perfectly put, STUDYFORM

You are surely not stupid enough to think that Politicians aim just for 'Rednecks' in their daily propaganda, Jeremy will be horrified. .

Jasus annie I never had you down as so simplistic, please tell me it's an aberration due to the Easter festivities.

Study, (or lack of it) please get a Brain, then an education, then some real world experience, and then come back with something useful, it doesn't have to be erudite, or even clever, simple common sense will do, just unshackle yourself from your 'Bleeding Heart' blinkered libbbtarrd world view HTH>

Annie I've PMd you about another matter.
Don't be frightened, I'm not asking for a date.

Yes he is,

I'm asking on behalf of a friend.

Just to put this in perspective annie, we are all bombarded by the agenda driven media, extreme, left and right, and all shade between, the trick is to see through them all.

Apr 16, 2017 -- 11:56PM, akabula wrote:

I'm asking on behalf of a friend.

Not me!, annie and myself have shared many wonderful nights together. bugger!!

Did I press the post button.

Annie told me about those dates in between singing to me  Nothing compares to you.

You're toooooo kind.

Hold on!! she sang to you while seeing me.

I just banged her

I'm off aka, big day tomorrow, hoping to wake up again in the morning.

G2D, you Slaggggg, Gn mucker.

Nite mucker..

Found out at work that the Turks were having some vote today and thought when i go back home, there must be a couple of threads on the forum kicking Erdogan's ass. I was right. But will we ever get to a point where we dont have to take the massive responsibility of worrying about each and every contry in the world, especially now that the Brits are out of EU and dont even have to cave in to Erdogan's refugee threat? Surely you guys shouldn't give a feck about what Erdogan does? Just wondering...

GN Foxy.

One of the biggest electoral cons was Blair's mob getting in and flooding the country with the EU's poorest. I'm guessing the op thought that result was ok.

The wisdom of Un-study........"I can't think of a good dictatorship, anywhere, ever.
Can you?".................. Below is mostly copied and pasted, as I can't waste a perfectly good Bank holiday on fools like you, get your head out of Jezza's ahole there's a good chap

Try this on for size dopey, It's called 'Benign Dictatorship'........."I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn’t be here today,” he said in 1987

Lee Kuan Yew came to power in 1959 and led Singapore to independence from Malaysia in 1965. A tiny land with no natural resources turned into a global economic powerhouse under his guidance. "I was trying to create, in a third world situation, a first world oasis,” Lee said in an interview in 2008.

The economy of modern Singapore is known as one of the freest, most innovative and business-friendly, according to the Asian Century Institute. It was ranked the second freest economy in the 2011 Index of Economic Freedom behind Hong Kong. The Global Competitiveness Index 2012-2013 ranks Singapore as the most competitive country in world.

With an average per capita GDP of just $427.9 in 1960, Singapore surged more than a hundred times to over $55,000 in 2013, making the country one of the  the planet. As for crime, forget it, they know how to deal with it, 'Bleeding Hearts like Un-study wouldn't be tolerated for a second.

Like I said get an education dopey. Oh and yes I have Lived there. HTH, but I doubt it.

why dont the likes of studyform  move to one of the countrys where theres no democracy,seens they hate it so much at least they hate it when they lose,before they layed into turkey saying the result cant be believed and must be fraud 2 libtards ,snowflakes reviewing  the papers on sky today ,picked out a story not about n korea,syria etc but the government might give barrista servers some sort of special visa,s to enter the uk and serve the snowflakes their coffee,slagging of the uk unemployed who wont serve them coffee in the process,not that they are interested in finding out but the reason the jobs are no good to some people is the pay wont cover housing costs,travelling to work costs, etc,but when your living 20 to a house,4 in a bedroom,2 in a bed living in a garden shed,garage,etc, your housing costs arnt that big a worry

^^^ Wouldn't last a day, 1st time, enjoys the freedoms, granted by others, and sneers at them, he is the worst kind of so called thinkers.

boxingthefox starts his posts with insults, then proceeds to show his ignorance, by cutting and pasting something he read somewhere.  Singapore isn't a dictatorship.

Dopey Dave, right on cue, have you ever been there.?

Have you even met one Singaporean of age who lived through those times?

It isn't a dictatorship, you are wrong.  And once again resort to insults.  Were you a school bully by any chance?

Answer the questions!!...Sorry dopey, my allocation of talking to fools on this fine Bank Holiday is all used up, shouldn't you and Un-study be visiting various prisons to bring relief to the suicide cult believers.

Have a great day guys....no not you and your dopey mates..........Laterzzzzs

You know they've nowt to say once they start flashing the bully card.

Just off out, have a great day, saddo.

Apr 17, 2017 -- 11:19AM, saddo wrote:

You know they've nowt to say once they start flashing the bully card.

why should I have to say anything?  He said Singapore was a dictatorship.  It isn't.  Rather than admitting that he was wrong, he asked me if I'd ever been there or talked to anyone who lived there.  I don't need to go to the moon or have talked to Neil Armstrong to know that it isn't made of cheese.

boxingthefox has done nothing itt but tell lies and insult posters.

Yes.....dementia.....a terrible scourge !

Apr 17, 2017 -- 10:32AM, 1st time poster wrote:

why dont the likes of studyform

Have you reported these people to their landlords if they exist 1tp? After all I'm sure they will be very interested in their 5 or 6 bedroom houses being populated by 3x the amount of people and tenancy agreements being broken all over the place

boxingthefox,
A - dave is right, Singapore is Not a dictatorship. In terms of population and world standing is a poor example anyway.
Just for the sake of arguing you take an opposing stance to everything I write, to the extent of trying to prove dictatorships are a good thing!!!!

B - WHERE??? Did I ANYWHERE, say ANYTHING that can be regarded as "Bleeding heart"?
and what does this refer to?: Wouldn't last a day, 1st time, enjoys the freedoms, granted by others, and sneers at them, he is the worst kind of so called thinkers.

C - In terms of brain and its use, there isn't a single thing your brain can do which mine can't do properly.

D - This is a step too far. I suspect you can't go past C.

detraveller, I cant see what's wrong with "worrying" about Turkey, or the US or Syria or North Korea or even Rwanda come to that. It is an interest in world news and events. Not tainted by a right-wing or left-wing view, but caring about ordinary people all over the world and how unfair things can be for them. Just because of Brexit and that we live on an island shouldn't make us insular.

1st time poster,
you really should leave a little space after each punctuation mark (commas, full stops, etc).
The whole point about Turkey is that it is about to lose its democratic status so your democracy statement is pants. I never said the result can't be believed either. Did you actually read my OP, or understand it?

So many of you brownshirts (on this thread let alone the forum as a whole) seem to want to make EVRYTHING some sort of tribal event. You seem to be in the 'Trump, Brexit, Bliar, call everyone else a libtard, snowflake - and all the other names' tribe. Even when its unrelated.
Stop it and grow up.

I'm guessing you really mean all those rednecks and rural people and those easily swayed. Anyone who doesn't share your questionable values in fact.

Just popped back for a mo, then you cowards will have the rest of the day to insult me.

What part of BENIGN dictatorship, do you fools not understand,

"So many of you brownshirts (on this thread let alone the forum as a whole)...Oh dear Un-study resorting to Nazzzi insults, Look up Godwin's law you classless fool. Byyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeee

aaronh    17 Apr 17 12:06 
Have you reported these people to their landlords if they exist 1tp? After all I'm sure they will be very interested in their 5 or 6 bedroom houses being populated by 3x the amount of people and tenancy agreements being broken all over the place Confused

I have.

Surely it's eminently sensible to worry about Turkey given its position as the gateway between Europe and the Middle East.


I understand Erdogan has been quite canny in how he's been a very populist leader: there's been a huge influx from the poor in the east into Istanbul and the promise of making a better life and he's also won a lot of Syrian refugee hearts in how the Turks have been very generous in helping out their neighbours. Sadly, he's also wasted billions on white elephants in the process and run down local services and now seems to be turning his back on democracy and handing over power to anyone else.

Why would a Landlord care about sub letting? As long as he pretends ignorance and gets his rent all is well.

think someone said on tv last week we,re short of 2 to 3 millions housing stock,where do all the luvies,libtards thinks these people are currently living,garages,sheds, bridges,subways, are all places for the homeless to lay their heads,1000,s of properties run by gangmasters,nightshift in the bed in dayshift out of the bed,you really ought to get out more

WTF does this have to do with Turkish anti-democracy elections?

That was my fault for engaging 1tp further in his ramblings [

You are very selective in the parts of a post you reply to, boxingthefox.
The main insults are from you. And, what cowards?

aaronh

Apr 17, 2017 -- 12:55PM, boxingthefox wrote:

Just popped back for a mo, then you cowards will have the rest of the day to insult me.What part of BENIGN dictatorship, do you fools not understand,"So many of you brownshirts (on this thread let alone the forum as a whole)...Oh dear Un-study resorting to Nazzzi insults, Look up Godwin's law you classless fool. Byyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeee

"cowards" "fools"

nothing offered but insults again.  Singapore has never been a dictatorship, benign or otherwise.

if the luvies and libtards could only believe in democracy there,s nothing to discuss regarding turkeys refferendum,its only because once again they dont like the result of a reff ,election,thats its brought up, there like sunderland desperate for a win somewhere ,anywhere

Apr 17, 2017 -- 12:39PM, saddo wrote:

I'm guessing you really mean all those rednecks and rural people and those easily swayed. Anyone who doesn't share your questionable values in fact.

Not my questionable values at all.
Politicians all over the place are using patriotism, populism and above all, outright lies to gain the votes of people who would otherwise not be remotely interested in voting and whose votes are just as valid as yours and mine.
They've learned, quickly, to appeal to the base instincts of people to gain power.

Divide and rule rules!!

erdogan represents a dilemma for Euro rednecks. How do they balance their support for populism with his islamic fundamentalist tendencies?

in fairness, the rednecks and rural people once more caused this vote while all the big Turkish cities voted against it I believe

The Spectator Index‏ @spectatorindex  6m6 minutes ago
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BREAKING: International electoral observers criticise Turkish referendum and say safeguards against electoral fraud were undermined

Even if the vote was close, it's an Islamic country and always will be, the Ataturk dream is long gone. They have no place in the EU, yet just months ago Merkel was promising them all sorts to try and reduce the damage she did in 2015.

You only have to realise that the I word and the M word is involved to know there is going to be trouble.

The Ms with their I culture our like a rash all over europe and on the offensive. Until you know this you will realise absolutely nothing.
hope this helps

They have no place in the EU

I don't think we have to worry now, Erdogan has always had his eye on total rule and dangled the EU carrot to keep some of the metropolitan Stambouli off his back. Now he's got what he really want's just watch him give the EU the digit..

selling daesh oil makes money

But the timeline from joining europe and going dictatorship, one minute all |Brussels the next minute all North Korea. Just shows what a joke the eu are.

Merkel showed that the EU is prepared to do anything in the name of short term expediency, whatever the long term cost may be.

apologies for my narrow view
I have not read the guardian for 4 days

I would have thought my mate erd the goon would have been an excellent example of how to behave as a brownshirt - just wot like I does

the fact that merkel thought he was ok speaks volumes - germans - brownshirts - nazis - ex communist  - wow does this not set the alarm bells ringing and explain so much what merkel's psyche originates from?
An 'I am always right and know what is best for the plebs'

Good man!.

For the terminally hard of thinking, a simple Google will bring up countless examples of the Benevolent Dictator. This from the 'luvvies favourite newsheet. The Guardian! just a sample.................

Lee Kuan Yew leaves a legacy of authoritarian pragmatism.

For some, Lee Kuan Yew’s death marks the passing of a ruthless tyrant. For others, it is the tireless leader’s final reward.

Of all the benevolent dictators in history, none deserve the title more than Mr Lee. For 31 years, he ruled as prime minister of Singapore, and for two more decades, he held a key position in the cabinet. Firmly entrenched, and with a free hand, Lee moulded Singapore in his own image and made it what it is today – a prosperous city-state with an intensely pragmatic people under the spell of a peculiar brand of “soft” authoritarianism.

And so he arbitrarily detained hundreds of alleged communists, chauvinists and extremists over the years using the Internal Security Act, a holdover from Singapore’s colonial past. It was detention without trial so concrete evidence wasn’t necessary. All you needed was a firm conviction that the country was under siege and the strategic brilliance to outmanoeuvre the enemy.

It was no coincidence that many of these alleged communists were Lee’s political opponents. In 1963, more than 100 opposition politicians and union leaders were deemed a threat to national security and arbitrarily detained, crippling the Barisan Sosialis, the biggest political threat to Lee’s People’s Action Party (PAP). By 1968, the PAP had won 58 out of 58 seats in parliament. The opposition never recovered and the PAP has never lost an election since.

Just a few of the Hundreds of thousands of words written about the place and the man, from all over the world.

I suppose 'YOUR' newssheet is lying just like me.

Apr 17, 2017 -- 9:33PM, moisok wrote:

apologies for my narrow viewI have not read the guardian for 4 days

Good man^^

Monaco ? Aspatria ?

how to spot a dictator... he's wearing an army uniform at some stage.

Got to accept election results or you are in trouble. What's out of order is loaded questions on the ballot papers.

ze child molesting opposition called labduro want yer vote - yes/no
ze dutiful government love you and freedom vote here amigos - yes/no.

If we go by the international opinions, Singapore is far from democratic. It has been generally known as benign or benevolent dictatorship.

Where do we go from here? We are now at a cross road having to re-position the past economic model to one that has to compete with fiercer competitions from China, India, Malaysia, Thailand, Korea, an improving Japan and rejuvenating Europe.

It would be common sense and simple logic that if all our talents so far cannot lead us to the next level of competitiveness, we will then have to mobilize our 4 millions citizens and our younger populations to give of their best through mass participation and practical knowledge application.

Many ordinary people have practical knowledge and given the right motivation in work places they will contribute beneficially.

What are the constraints? Too much controls, regulations and top-down management due to over-emphasis of the past on leaders or a few scholar talents under confucianist philosophy for political purpose.


Etc, Etc, I wont post any more, educate yourselves fools.

BTW those couple of searches took all of 3 minutes

Excellent article for anyone interested.

www.worldfinance.com/.../how-singapore-married-dictatorship-with-a-market-econo..

You don't half post some carp.
and as I said earlier, are (consistently) very selective about what you actually reply to and tend to ignore most of what's written.

Sort of makes you pointless to engage with really, so it's just as well you won't post any more.

I thank you, (Arthur Askey voice)

The whole world is wrong about Singapore, but not you. This is my final post on this fred, Can't educate PORK.

All lining up - Turkey slides to Muslim side away from west.

USA got missiles there? ? good idea to pull them out.

mrs may breaking her own partys fixed term parliament bill to call an unwanted election to give her more powers,will any of the luvies in the media call her a dictator

She would indeed be a dictator under boxingthefox's definition.