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22 Mar 17
12:05
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Doubtless the Catholics in Northern Ireland were treated very badly. But, it was a different time - and in many ways a much worse time. In the rest of the UK there was rampant racism. And sexism.
While some racism and sexism will never be eliminated, so much of that has now gone. But it was not crushed by murders. It was crushed by awareness and enlightenment.
Who is to say that in Northern Ireland that a similar situation (or maybe better) would not have existed by now without the actions of the IRA?
While some racism and sexism will never be eliminated, so much of that has now gone. But it was not crushed by murders. It was crushed by awareness and enlightenment.
Who is to say that in Northern Ireland that a similar situation (or maybe better) would not have existed by now without the actions of the IRA?
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that's what the absurdity of religion does to people
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It was religion, but such a lot more.
And, if anyone wants to know why faith schools are a bad idea, they just need to listed to interviews with primary school children in Northern Ireland a few decades ago. |
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ah. the Catholics in N. Ireland were not treated badly. They were living in one of the most free and prosperous and peaceful and beautiful countries anywhere in the world
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Crushed ? all of the above are still about but just no visible hostility on the streets, except in the 'marching season' still simmering underneath if you go looking for it. Drive around belfast east and west to see the polarization between the two communities, Recent election results in the North was nearly a 50/50 split down the middle.
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they were living as part of a generation that was more free and more privileged than any that had existed in any country at any time anywhere in the worlds history
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you have not got a clue what the Catholics in Northern Ireland went through during the troubles
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but if religion had never been "invented" the history of Ireland would be totally different
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now this is what this privileged generation of Catholics and protestants enjoyed.
Free education in good schools, free health service, free democracy, free university education, the ability to go to university freely anywhere in Britain and Ireland, the ability to live and work anywhere in Britain and Ireland, a state pension and benefits ...and much more . thus same generation was one of the luckiest to have been born at any time or anywhere |
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Weren't treated badly? Had their language surpressed, put to live in second rate housing slums, political voice were censored from the media for decades, all the best jobs were held by protestants and were passed on from generation to generation.
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It's pointless arguing with that barely coherent fool, he has not got 1 clue about what went on in Northern Ireland
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really do you think so?, let's take jobs. Now it was the tradition for Protestant boys to go into engineering, perhaps as a legacy of the industrials of Belfast being mainly Protestant
This meant a tradition of Protestant boys leaving school and going to work as apprentices in factories etc. Their schools were geared to technical subjects Now catholic schools trained their pupils for the civil service and clerical work and university now who do you think got the better deal? I don't know regarding the Irish language , it's only my personal opinion but there are better ways to spend money |
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Put to live in housing slums? was there no poverty amongst Protestant families. although no poverty in any different way from many parts of England and Scotland
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How was their language suppressed exactly what language do they speak in the Irish Republic..I don't know
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Tradition ? Thats the whole problem, protestants are still celebrating a victory over the catholics in a war '400' years ago, Time to get real and come into the 21st century.
One mans tradition is another mans racism, if you will |
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yes, it might be s good idea to forget about the Irish language, perhaps that's part of tradition that is a waste of time and money, but then it might depend on the individual
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They might have marches in republican areas that we can look at also, perhaps even in Dublin?
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Why forget the Irish language and not Welsh, Scots Gaelic ?
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yes, of course sorry I would not want a penny of government money spent on any of those languages
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I think the the St Patrick days parade is about as triumphalist as the Irish get, celebration a national holy Saint.
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don't talk such tripe
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Most Irish republican parades are associated with the '16 rising.
Main one in the North is "Feile an Phobail". This commemorates gaelic and republican culture,it started off as a protestest of "internment without trial" (check that out lfc) Also there is a parade in memory of the hunger strikers(check that out lfc) These are small affairs and certainly not "triumphalism". |
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yes I remember the hunger strikers, weren't they members of the terrorist group that murdered and bombed , one of whom was Bobby Sands who was duely elected to government by those who claim they couldn't have a democratic vote
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now I am not impressed with any community, no matter how many st Patrick days parades they have which elects a murderer and bomber to represent them.
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that to me is not a 'small affair'
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The people of Northern Ireland have been named in surveys as being the happiest in the UK..probably because they got better things do do than spend their days on this forum.
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I think most on the thread have had a fair view and realise it was complex.
You don't seem to realise the IRA only existed in name until Bloody Sunday. No point in continuing here,you have your views in which you are entitled to. May i suggest purchasing a copy of Gerry Adams,"Before The Dawn",in order to have a nationalist viewpoint and not a daily mail one. |
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I think thebaron has said something true
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anyone who thinks the IRA didn't exist until Bloody Sunday is not aware of history
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were the IRA on the streets on Bloody Sunday ? were they part of the civil rights movement before then, did they sit in the organisation committes of the civil rights bodies, did they infiltrate them and use them as pawns to further their own agenda? That is the history if you care to look
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^"in all but name" that part is important. I'll leave you at it.
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Yes yes, a name what's in a name the officials , the provisionals, the real the reality
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I would be of the Ghandi non violence persuasion approach to politics, so I would put Martin McGuinnes in the same category as Nelson Mandela who both weren't shy of sticking a bomb under you either but changed their violent approach in pursuit of peace later in life.
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Ghandi was another troublemaker.
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Wasn't impressed with his tailor.
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I just keep thinking of poor old "Lord Mountbatten" did McGuiness sign off on that one ?
"Lord Mountbatten and one of his twin grandsons, Nicholas, 14, and Paul Maxwell, 15, a local employed as a boat boy were killed when a bomb planted by the IRA exploded on their leisure boat in Mullaghmore, County Sligo, Ireland" |
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Lfc you are spouting p I s h
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Lfc is a sectarian bigot
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now running you are in danger of getting this thread pulled, that is not what we want.
it is nice to hear differing viewpoints |
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You are making up story's to suit your own bigoted views
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