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Keep calling a crash and you're bound to be right one day.
It's calling the rises as well as the crashes that separates the knowledgeable from the guessers. Where did the writers stand last June when the FTSE bottomed and has risen 20% since? |
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reading the telegraph at the weekend someone was saying the bull run has a way to go yet
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A significant part of the FTSE rise has been due to devaluation of sterling. None of the problems have gone away.
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Lots of the positive comments originate from brokers, whose companies profits and their jobs depend upon telling people to keep on buying!
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Having said that the price action last Friday is a cause for concern.
Let's hope it's was merely a bit of profit taking and nothing more. |
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But for central bank intervention, I presume we'd have had the biggest crash ever in 2008/9. I can't see how America ever hope pay it's debts (19 trillion). In the UK, they very largely talk about deficit (Government borrowing) and conveniently forget to talk about debt.
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btw we owe 1.64 trillion, 29.5K per citizen or 50.7K per taxpayer and are continuing to borrow
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Yes and my garden is full of tulips.
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Of course there'll be a crash at some point and thereafter the market will recover and eventually go on to break another record high.
Any sensible person knows it's practically impossible to accurately predict the timing of troughs and recoveries;all that can be done is protect yourself by ensuring you keep 5 years worth of expenditure in cash to ride out the crash.....wealth is lost by being either a paniced or forced seller. The younger you are the less important a crash is;on the other hand to be short of cash when you're retired could be a real problem. |
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People won't be short of cash. Only problem tin of beans £100+. And it has to happen soon. Rising interest rates will bring EVERYTHING down except PM's.
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oh to be a baby boomer waltz intoany building society sign a few forms tie your money up for 5,10 years and get 8,9 10%,now you have to pay some spiv to make you 4% when the markets booming,
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One of the reasons they do not want to raise interest rates, is the effect it has on debt repayments. For each 1% interest rate rise, the annual federal deficit rises by $190 billion.
Under current law, Congressional Budget Office projects that net interest costs will more than double over the next 10 years, soaring from $270 billion in 2017 to $712 billion in 2026 and totalling $4.8 trillion over the period. Interest costs are expected to continue climbing beyond the next 10 years and are projected to be the third largest category in the federal budget by 2028 (after just Social Security and Medicare), the second largest category in 2046, and the single largest category in 2050. |
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The weakness I mentioned last Friday has followed through today, but has met the hoped for support at bellow 7382 finishing a tad below at 7378.
The next support level is 7368 if it dips again tomorrow. |
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7368 is wrong, should have said around 7302.
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One l in below as well.
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ft only includes the great unwashed when it suits
in the days of huge saving rates,inflation busting pay rises,cheap housing costs,gold plated pensions etc ft was sub 2000 |
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forgot to add 15 grand annuity for a 100 grand pot
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imaine getting 15 grand annuity for a 100 grand pot and living into your 80,s and 90,s,
,whilst your 50 grand house is now worth a million and your state pension is tripple locked,and governments have been pandering to these pensioners for 40 years |
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Yes 1tp, I've mentioned before the opportunity legacy that was left to the baby boomers.
In comparison to the legacy the baby boomers are leaving behind as they snuff it. It all started to go wrong in the late nineties. It just gets worse every year now. |
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There are too many people in the country.
The politicians have ruined it for us. |
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how many outsiders are living off benefits whilst on low wages
and of course those simply scooping up their whole costs paid for by taxpayers money |
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i,m 58 this year got my yearly pension statement from standard life this week 145/150 grand would just get me 5 grand a year if i wanted to turn it into an annuity
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your alternative is not to buy an annuity but to keep investment in equities and drawdown what you need;bear in mind you'll be getting a guaranteed state pension.
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None of us will experience like what we did back in 2008/9 again, thankfully.
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All the countries debts are worse than in 2008/9. We should certainly be suffering a much worse experience when this lot unwinds.
1tp. I'd think the way to go is take your 25% tax free and your limit each year (12K I think), ensuring you pay no income tax. Put your max in an ISA, carry on investing & withdraw from your ISA. Legislation can change, so you never know what they might do. (e.g. remove the 25% tax free element of your pension) |
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"All the countries debts are worse than in 2008/9"
Every debit has a credit. It's a zero sum game. If the banks are in record debt, the public is in record debt, and the govt are in record debt in "all the countries" then they just owe it to each other. The real return on cash at the moment is negative, and has been close to zero for years, and looks like being close to zero for several more years. In such an environment the dividends from shares are more appealing. Share prices are high but when returns on cash are negative they should be. Land prices and gold prices are high too. People predict crashes all the time, hoping to get lucky and call themselves a guru backing just one winner. These predictions are always one sided arguments. |
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I don't buy that. The interest payable on each nations debt that has risen has gone up. It is not sustainable past a certain point.
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What happens if an individual debtor can't, or won't, pay an individual creditor? It's not a zero sum game then. If it were, then there would be no risk and no variation in interest rates to reflect that risk.
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People who have waited until the last minute to use their ISA allowance have had a right touch with most shares getting cheaper
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a few thoughts regarding pension pots,
yes i,ll be using drawdown but cant see the point in taking the 25% cash free to put in an isa paying next to no interest,you might as well leave it in the pot w,ith the company you,ve trusted for 40 yrs to build it up i,ll start accessing it in a few years if i,m not working i,ll be able to take as you say a grand a month out without paying tax, obviously theres more risks than in a cash isa |
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off course if you can manage ,emptying your private pot and deferring your state pension was a good idea when you were getting a 10% uplift for deferred years but alas this is dropping to 5% for people retiring after 2016
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I think the idea of robbing your pot to invest in ISAs is a long term idea.
If you can only get an annuity that pays 3.3% less tax, which takes it down to 2.64% at basic rate. Then you'll be locked into that rate until you die. You'll never get your £150,000 back. So you're not much worse off with an ISA anyway. And if interest rates rise you will be laughing going down the ISA route. And at some point you can start spending your capital, which would be impossible with an annuity. |
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1st time poster, take your pension and invest it yourself. It's a no brainer for these reasons:
1) You can hardly fail to outperform your pension provider. Look at your Annual Statements and compare the rise in the value of your pension pot compared to the performance of the stock market. Lazy City types have been dumping their worst trades in your pension for years. 2) One of the consequences of the Great Repeal Bill will be a loosening of pension regulations; to put it bluntly, you will get less. 3) The money you realise by taking your pension then belongs to you and, eventually, your children. You can buy a property and let it out and pass it on to your children. You can invest in AAPL, Facebook and Google and insure yourself against the damage done by the devaluation of sterling. Or you can invest in stocks that pay healthy dividends - the first five grand is tax free although that falls to two next year. The point is that you are taking control of your own fortune, which is healthy. It's just basic, at the end of your days, you end up with something instead of nothing. I shouldn't bother protecting your investment in an ISA, the same lazy tarts who leech your pension will charge you for the privilege. |
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in principle surely the idea of drawdown is to leave as much in the pot as possible in the hope your chosen investor has more chance of making a decent return for you,dont see the logic myself of trusting someone with your pot for 40 years and then trying to get it out as quick as you can to invest it yourself,you might as well have saved 40 years of fees and never had one in the 1st place,
i,m a pension novice but would this calculation be feasible or pie in the sky given fair wind my current state pension fcast is 145 if i get 4 more full nics in before 2025 i,d get the full 155 so if say at 61 i took 10 grand a year in drawdown out of my 150 grand private pot, 50 grand, would it be unreasonable to expect the investment to cover say 20 grand of that and still say have about 120 grand still left in after 5 years,then you can say lower the drawdown to say 5 grand ,to add to your 7 grand state pension keeping you under the tax threshold, i was told to get proffesional advice on a 150 grand pot could cost around 3 grand, ![]() |
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Would you mind sharing the value of your pension pot down the years? No worries if not, it's your welfare, but do please make the calculation for yourself.
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as a couple me and the wife already use up the 5 grand in tax free dividends with shares we have in a certain telephone company,its this years no 1 to do list to split these shares in name to still get 4 grand tax free in dividends, but although very nice and its been guarenteed for the next few years, you cant really rely on dividends as part of your pension as they can stop at anytime with little or no warning |
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You can buy a property and let it out and pass it on to your children.
Oh my God! Go wash your mouth with soap and water. Unitedbiscuits advising someone to BTL after the mountains of stuff he's written on Politics over the years condemning the practise. |
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i,m from the north east theres as much chance of the value of a btl going down as it is going up,and with the new tax rules its hardly the no brainer it used to be down south, imo
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Another consideration regarding the management of your own financial affairs apart from the added risk, is whether you need the agro of all that in your retirement.
I'd draw a line through BTL straight away in that regard. As for investing in the market. What if we have a long drawn out bear market? Would you be happy watching you lifelong savings slowly ebbing away day after day? Hoping and praying for the market to turn, and you worrying yourself sick every day pondering whether to sell and pull out. Then the moment you do sell the market turns. Or worrying about your investments when you're lying in the sun on holiday instead of enjoying yourself. You don't want that when your retired. |