scottish indyref2 - yes 51% no 49%

If the last 12 months have thought us anything it's not to trust polls.

*taught

we're going out next time round. project fear doesn't work any more.

Many people who are not sure which way to vote
will go NO because they'll think that there will
be another chance to decide in a few years time.

we're going out next time round. project fear doesn't work any more.

Neither will project $100 dollars a barrel am0ongst others.

whats the result when you take eu nationals and the 16-17 out of the mix???

If there was a independence vote in Autumn 2018, over 220,000 young people would have the vote who didn't get the opportunity in 2014.

ipsos Mori poll:

Yes: 50% +2

16-34 Yes: 63% +1
35-54 Yes: 51% +7
    55+ Yes: 40% +

PM savaged in Ipsos-Mori Scots poll. Just 24% think Theresa May doing good job rep'ing Scottish Brexit interests.

51 dollars today -
15 billion deficit.
What currency will they use.
  can't get into the eu.  Whatever will those poor people do?? Catch fish??
Don't think the nuke workers or fishermen will be too happy.  But who gives a fk about them eh?  The Sturge, the  fish, and tubby certainly don't.
Hope this helps.

oil reserved  to uk

deficit is in part with uk

Presumably HMRC will relocate along with naval bases and NHS staff losing Scotland tens of thousands of jobs following a yes referendum.

currency

scottish pound

HMRC already closed most of offices scotland

Scotland will keep naval bases

maritime control

Scottish NHS is already devolved to Scotland

UK gov already hinted giving away Scottish fishing rights for better brexit deal

How does leaving the trading bloc that makes up 80% of your trade to join one that makes up a fraction of that make sense.

your stopping trade with scotland?

But best of all is to HATE the english - that is the motivation of the SNP

scotland free to export whisky to asia

ever so popular

xmoneyx Im asking how it is in Scotlands interests to pay tariffs on all its trade with the rest of the UK just to have free trade with the EU assuming of course Scotland was to stay in the EU?

your saying every independent county HATES the English

how's it in UKs interests tariffs EU

In full-time work: Yes 53% No 47%
In part-time work: Yes 57% No 43% 
Retired: Yes 34% No 66%

no tariffs for the Irish chelt fest

just the 4 pint limit

Answer the question would you. How can it make sense to end up losing free trade to the country where the vast majority of your exports go just to remain in the EU.

No way is that plan going to win a referendum  It would be a disaster especially with Oil revenues so low.

may would do a deal with them and trumpy would love it if his scotland was free from
the nasty nasty english

Ireland - england no tariffs

scotland - England no tariffs

It's the arrogance of the woman that is truly eye-opening.

The voters of Scotland, with Braveheart resolution, voted (albeit narrowly) to reject Scottish Independence in a 'once-in-a-lifetime' referendum.

Far from upping sticks and going off to run 'The Andy Stewart Singing Shortbread Tin' rest home for unemployed Scottish Nationalists, she's now corralling her gang of gnomish inadequates at Westminster (how does that one work again, remind me?) telling us all how it's going to be, how Scotland -with the Union more enshrined now than ever - will reject Brexit when it happens because, um well, we're the Scottish Nationalists and are frightfully important on the European Stage and if I bang my rinky-dink little size sixes enough, someone will jolly well have to listen to me!

A load of short memories too. The (then) commission President saying EU entry for an independent Scotland would be 'difficult if not impossible' and a likely veto from Spain to stop Catalonia getting the wrong idea about democracy.

Fandabbidozie!

you can hear nigel farage having narrowly lost a brexit referendum taking that attitude roger

If Scotland is in the EU and the EU is trading with the UK and charging tariffs then Scottish and English trade will incur tariffs. That would be crushing for Scotland.

Scotland can trade with the UK tariff free but not if its part of the EU.

itll be same as ireland, and a way would be found

Maybe who knows? Scotland would be in a very weak negotiating position wouldnt it.

PM MAY going hard Brexit is a disaster

it would be hard for scotland but no reason they couldnt make a go of it

Mar 9, 2017 -- 8:43AM, donny osmond wrote:

you can hear nigel farage having narrowly lost a brexit referendum taking that attitude roger

My bet if the Brexit vote had gone the other way by the same percentage?

There'd have been a lot of harrumphing, a few 'outraged of Chiselhurst' letters to the Telegraph but Farrage et al would have upped sticks and gone back to the lucrative after-dinner circuit, hosting HIGNFY and taunting Junker in Brussels.

.....leaving Cameron to suck up a 'Hard Remain' imposed on the UK by the EEC,

dotch , I've been a lbdem until carmichael lied about French embassy document , FM Nicola

Nicola Krankie, welcomes refugees and muslims, she hasn't taken any into her own 4 bedroom house only she and her husband live in, she's as false as a Scottish £4 pound note, by the way, even the Pakistani shops up here give you **** looks if you give them any Scottish money. cheers.

uh oh - PANIC

DAVID Davis has opened up the possibility of a separate immigration policy for Scotland

indy ref 2 aint going to happen ...you lost ,get over it

does ruby get over annie power

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/cheltenham-festival-2015-annie-po...

SNP just try to whip up more hatred against the english

It is all rather unseemly is it not.

The nastier side of nationalism.
We all know how that ends up.

Scottish Green Party?

hatred ?


so you hate Europe ?

Scottish Greens now there's a great old conundrum!

Want independence financed by, what?

It wouldn't be oil for the internal combustion engine would it??!

If Scotland leaves the UK then the UK ceases to exist. You can't have a "United" Kingdom with only one kingdom in it. Ireland is now mostly a republic and the half a dozen counties that aren't in the Republic don't even constitute the full province of Ulster. Wales is a principality, not a kingdom.

All of which leaves England struggling to find a name for the new country of which it becomes a majority shareholder.

little britain

united kingdom, not united kingdoms


we are not all paul nuttalls from ukips , thank yous

if they had another which they wont soapy would just say its not best of three its first to three and demand another roll of the dice,then it would be first to five ect

It was originally the United Kindom of Great Britain then the United Kindom of Great Britain and Ireland. Since 1922 it's been the United Kingom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

What's next? The United Kingdom of a Bit of Great Britain and a Bit of Ireland? (BTW, I don't think that "Bit of Ireland" will be in the box in six years' time.)

what was it before that?

around Shakespeares time.

england and cymru ?

m.c.c

there may have been other parts of Britain and Ireland before that, I don't know who they were

pagans

England had been taken over by the Welsh Tudors and both countries were usually called England. Elizabeth of England also claimed to be Queen of Ireland and France.

Scotland was ruled by Mary Queen of Scots until she was murdered by her cousin, Elizabeth. Mary's son, James, now became King of Scots. When his Auntie Lizzie (Queen of England, Ireland, France, etc) fell off her barstool, James, King of Scots, also became King of England and the other stuff.

That was known as the Union of The Crowns. Everybody (except Wales) had their own parliament. The French thought it was all a joke.

barstool

multibet king

No doubt that wee nicky will get the 'fracking' diggers in action to counteract the depleted oil revenues

Half Jock Trump will put a stop to it all.

When we had the Brexit vote, non-British members of the EU (apart from the Irish living in Britain) were not allowed to vote. British expatriates were also allowed to vote. That was deemed fair.

However, in the Scottish referendum, non-Scottish residents of Scotland were allowed to vote but Scottish expatriates were not allowed to vote. Somehow that was also deemed fair.

Without the votes of non-Scots who happened to live in Scotland at the time, there seems no doubt that the UK would have been dismantled. Interesting.

Where is the economic case for independence?
With a £15B black hole in our finances how do we fill it?
We have to increase taxation by 18% or decrease spending by 15% or a mixture of both.
Currently our deficit is about 10% of our GDP which is the worst in the developed world.

Very selective. And what about with the votes of all the non-Scots living outside Scotland at the time?

^^^^^^^ Thats right....

A vote by Theresa May's terms only could squeak it for the 'no' vote.

TheBetterBettor
No doubt that wee nicky will get the 'fracking' diggers in action to counteract the depleted oil revenues

A definitive decision is constantly being delayed.
You don't have to think too hard to realise why?
Wee Nicki has the Greens like puppets on a string just now but that would change if she gave the okay to fracking.
So because of that no decision will be made until after indyref2 if that happens.

The reason Scottish people living outside England were not given the vote might be because they are liable to vote for Scottish independence and continue living in England.
Now if they were allowed to vote, and they had to consider the consequences if that vote being no longer having the right to live and work in England that would be a different thing and yes they could be allowed to vote

*scots living in England

It's a bit much to vote for independence and think you can retain the rights of British citizens

.....and the answer to your looming question lfc is  YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

don't want to be British citizens is the point of the whole thing, so couldn't give a fiddlers

thank`s wallflower, that`s settled everything for me

It gets more interesting. Demographic forecasts for Northern Ireland suggest that in 2020 there will be a majority of voters there who are native to the six counties and who would vote for a united Ireland if given the opportunity. The hundredth anniversary of the partition of Ireland will be in 2021. A referendum about that time is almost a certainty.

Scotland is likely to seize the chance to demand an other referendum at the same time and under the rules that were used for the Britex vote. In five years, England, Wales, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and Gibraltar will be independent.

ah, i don`t think the rep. of Ireland is independent yet.

I live in Wales and I don't think the Welsh are stupid enough to vote for independence.

republic  voted No to the EU but were sent  back to do it again like silly school children

they have never had an indy vote and wont ever be given one

they don't deserve one after that sort of behaviour

JML 09 Mar 17 21:37 
I live in Wales and I don't think the Welsh are stupid enough to vote for independence.

My meaning must have been unclear. I meant to suggest that a new country that did not contain any part of Scotland or Ireland would have to be formed from the remainder of the UK. I don't see Wales ploughing a lone furrow.

it can`t be done, its impossible for the countries on these islands to be independent. they never have been at any time in history.

we could try an experiment, lets say with the rep of Ireland first.
maybe it might want to try independence, lets see.

u wifi see how good Scottish labour are - kezia on QT

Maybe we can get DONs wall Mob over to Rebuild Hadrians and a Little Higher

currency

scottish pound[/i]


So what would the exchange rate be against other major currencies? my guess is once the markets get a look at the finances of an independent Scotland it would be as desirable as a Zimbabwe Dollar.

I suggest a referendum in England to see if we wan't to keep

a) Scotland
b) Wales
c) N Ireland

we dont own them,

no wonder some want freedom

desirable as a Zimbabwe Dollar.

that's why wheelbarrels are selling

Not too long ago they were saying polls needed to show 60% support for independence for over a year to be sure they could win, long way off that.

My last one was a bit tongue in cheek, but, seriously, could we, in England have a referendum to leave the UK?

The last poll I checked said that Hillary was still leading.