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By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 11:39
Saying Trump and his goons committed a Terrorist act by making up the terrorist story about Sweden.

He has terrorised people.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 11:44
Verbal Terrorism !
By:
ZenMaster
When: 20 Feb 17 13:13
No wonder the luvvies are constantly hysterical with O'Brien as their spokesman.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 13:18
If a terrorist act was not publicised, then it would not be a terrorist act...... as it would not have terrified a significant number of people.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 13:19
Logically all terrorist acts should not be publicised, then there will be little incentive to commit the terrorist acts.
By:
broadsword
When: 20 Feb 17 13:31
COFFEE HOUSE
James O’Brien spreading ‘FAKE NEWS’ via the BBC is a must-watch
Douglas Murray



Douglas Murray
17 February 2017
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The row about ‘fake news’ and the ‘crooked media’ appears to be ongoing.  And every time the BBC and other mainstream media mention it they present themselves solely as the victims of such phenomena.  So let us turn to just one edition of the BBC’s Newsnight.

On Wednesday of this week the programme was presented by James O’Brien.  Now in the first place Mr O’Brien is a strange choice to present this programme.  Not just because his awkward, cut-out, Lego man gait makes it obvious why he has made his career in radio, but because he is the sort of hyper-partisan figure who, if they came from the opposite political side, would never be hired by the BBC.

But back to Wednesday’s Newsnight. Just after a ‘Viewsnight’ slot given to Tariq Ramadan – dauphin of the Muslim Brotherhood – it was back to the studio for a discussion about President Trump with two guests down the line from Washington.

Here is how O’Brien introduced them: ‘Anne Gearan from the Washington Post and Asra Nomani who has written for outlets such as Breitbart and The Hill.’  To say that the way in which O’Brien introduced the latter was acidic is to understate matters.  Even on the Cathy Newman scale of ‘ostentatiously introducing someone as though they are a bad smell’ O’Brien excelled.  ‘Here’ – he was clearly saying – ‘is a really reputable woman.  And here, by comparison is a lowly, nuts-oid blogger lady who we can all interrupt and laugh at.’

Unfortunately for O’Brien the technology failed and we lost Anne Gearan.  Then, even more unfortunately for O’Brien, Nomani used her opening moments to politely correct the BBC’s introduction of her.  An introduction that had indeed been fake and crooked.  For as Nomani informed O’Brien, she is not just some broad who has ‘written for outlets such as Breitbart [lemony face] and The Hill [expectorate]’.  On the contrary, as she had to waste her opening moments explaining, not only has she never ‘written for Breitbart’, the more pertinent fact about her life is that she spent fifteen years at the Wall Street Journal.

So why did Newsnight’s James O’Brien – in a discussion about ‘fake news’ – spread false information about Nomani before he had even begun his first question?  Why did it not concern him that any fair-minded viewer might easily come away with the impression that O’Brien knew nothing about his guest and that he or someone else from the Newsnight team had simply spent the period before transmission lazily searching Google for the most hostile intro they could put together?  Might precisely this type of media ‘bias’ be one of the things that fuels the perception that the mainstream media are intent on bringing down everyone and everything associated not just with Trump but with any of the arguments he makes?

For her part, Nomani went on to calmly explain her concerns about ‘The vilification of both the Trump administration and anybody who might say that there’s any rational discourse to be had about the administration and its policies.  That’s what really concerns me as a journalist.’

As it happens, I am fairly sure that the reason why Nomani came across the BBC and James O’Brien’s radar would have been for a piece she wrote in the Washington Post after the election titled ‘I’m a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant.  I voted for Trump.’  The piece got a justifiable amount of attention and a disgusting amount of vitriol.  But there is something I would like to add about her.

Nearly two years ago Nomani and I shared a platform in Brooklyn in a debate against a number of Islamists including the vile (apparently now leading feminist icon) Linda Sarsour.  I already admired Nomani and her work, but nothing prepared me for the woman herself.  I trust readers know I’m not given to overpraise.  But as I related in a column at the time, Nomani and I appeared that evening under somewhat strained circumstances.  Our event took place just days after two jihadists had attacked an event in Garland, Texas, and as a result the third member of our team – Ayaan Hirsi Ali – had been advised that it wasn’t safe to join us.  With considerably heightened amounts of security Nomani and I appeared as normal.  But one detail sang out.

In the days before the event Nomani had received a highly specific threat to her life.  And the person who had promised to punish her for her alleged ‘heresy’ turned out to have RSVP-ed as an attendee at our event.  Despite being warned off, Nomani insisted that she would still be there.  Near the start of the event, in the face of mocking opponents and a deeply hostile crowd (and with her young son in the audience) Nomani called out this would-be assassin.  She insisted that she would continue to say what she did, whatever they tried to do to her.  She did all this calmly, and without any ostentation.  It was one of the bravest things I have ever seen.

As I say – James O’Brien doesn’t know any of this, or doesn’t care about any of this.  He saw a woman he felt he could belittle and diminish as though she were calling in to one of his daytime phone-in shows.  O’Brien and Newsnight don’t need to ask why people are losing trust in mainstream media.  Programmes like theirs on Wednesday night – and their treatment of one guest in particular – are the reason.
By:
twizzle22
When: 20 Feb 17 14:12
Brilliant...really enjoyed reading that
By:
GoOnThen
When: 20 Feb 17 14:15
Thanks Broadsword. A great read and what most sane people who watched that encounter would concur with.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 15:16
Too long....didn't read it.....time is money Laugh
By:
donny osmond
When: 20 Feb 17 15:41
i havnt been instructed to spam the forum by saying i enjoyed it either
By:
digdeep
When: 20 Feb 17 16:31
Douglas Murray very good debater doesn't rant and rave or name call worth listening to.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 17:00
Wiki :

Murray is an atheist, having previously been an Anglican,
but has described himself variously as a cultural Christian,[41]  a Christian atheist.[42]

He is openly gay.[43]
By:
saddo
When: 20 Feb 17 17:13
The Leopard    20 Feb 17 13:19 
Logically all terrorist acts should not be publicised, then there will be little incentive to commit the terrorist acts.



Wonderful, keep the population away from the harsh truth and all will be well in the world.  Crazy
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 17:15
Good stuff from Douglas Murray. I've always got time to listen to him.

As regards James O’Brien, he's a self confessed champagne socialist.
I don't believe he's sincere in anything he says. I think he's purely motivated by cash.
And toeing the BBC line is where the cash is for him.

I think that's all that needs to be said about O'Brien.

If the BBC dropped him and the Daily Mail offered him enough money, I'm sure he'd change his politics overnight.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 17:24

Feb 20, 2017 -- 5:13PM, saddo wrote:


The Leopard    20 Feb 17 13:19  Logically all terrorist acts should not be publicised, then there will be little incentive to commit the terrorist acts.Wonderful, keep the population away from the harsh truth and all will be well in the world. 


You are not very good with logic.....are you ? Laugh

By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 17:29

Feb 20, 2017 -- 5:15PM, Dr Crippen wrote:


Good stuff from Douglas Murray. I've always got time to listen to him.As regards James O’Brien, he's a self confessed champagne socialist. I don't believe he's sincere in anything he says. I think he's purely motivated by cash.And toeing the BBC line is where the cash is for him.I think that's all that needs to be said about O'Brien. If the BBC dropped him and the Daily Mail offered him enough money, I'm sure he'd change his politics overnight.


James O'Brien's main income comes from his 3 hour prog  on LBC (10 AM to 1 PM ), he does not get much remuneration from Newsnight.

He's not a self-confessed champagne socialist, link?

You've obviously never listened to the LBC show.

By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 17:48
he does not get much remuneration from Newsnight.

I don't how much he gets from the BBC, I'm not his accountant.
I've heard about the huge incomes presenters get on the BBC, so I can't see why he shouldn't be coining it in from them as well.

Look on Wiki.

I have listened to LBC.
When I do I usually switch the radio off when O'Brien comes on, because I don't like the way he constantly interrupts callers trying to throw them off their stride.

He's a bully.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 17:50
Politically, O'Brien has been described as "coming from the left"[2] and sometimes describes himself as a "champagne socialist" in jest.[3]

There you go - you can't miss it.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 18:07
....in jest .......means it is a joke and he does not believe it.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 18:11
LBC presenters are paid to have an opinion, it is not the BBC and they are allowed to be forceful.

He interrupts them to stop them getting away with nonsense.

He Is very good at debating would have a good chance at becoming leader of the Labour Party.

Possible future prime minister.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 18:12
You may go for Mayor of London first.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 18:22
O'Brien is not just good at debating he's brilliant.
He never gives his callers a chance to state their case.

He said on the One Show, ''As I tell my wife, you don't have to be in the right to win an argument.''

It's a funny call in show when he won't let anybody else speak.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 18:24
So you have to interrupt him interrupting you !
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 18:25
By the way.
I thought champagne socialist meant someone who gets rich from the capitalist system, yet believes in left wing politics.

That makes them a hypocrite as well. No wonder he jests about it.

Same as his buddy on Newsnight Evan Davis. Another wealthy capitalist who promotes left-wing politics.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 18:26
He'd be alright debating with Jeremy Kyle.

A contest between the one who could shout the loudest.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 18:27
Well, a contest to see which one could shout the loudest.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 18:31
They are not getting rich they are just making a good living (does not buy you much of a property in London)..... I'm not sure they call themselves socialists...... maybe more like social Democrats.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 18:38
The routine for O'Brien when he gets a call, is to let them get a couple of sentences in. So he can see which way they're leaning.
Then if it's not in line with his rant, he picks them up on a trivial point and harps on about that until all their time has gone.
So that they never get their points across, or get a chance to challenge the great man.

It's most annoying when you might be interested with what they've got to say.
Because we've already heard what O'Brien's got to say before they started calling in.

As they say on his mate's programme Dragons Den. ''And for that reason I'm out.''
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 18:44
It's always difficult arguing with someone who has a dump button.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 20 Feb 17 18:45
That Evan Davis off Dragons Den.

I'm sure he played Mr Barlow in Salem's Lot.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 19:13
Evan Davis is great...... being gay may put some people off him with his very short hair .......but he has a razor sharp mind
By:
ZenMaster
When: 20 Feb 17 22:03
Farage is much more courteous when taking in a call on LBC

O'Brien is the kid with the ball, the one who takes it home.
By:
twizzle22
When: 20 Feb 17 22:14
Yes Zen...Nigel shows how it should be done...listens politely and ACTUALLY converses with the caller..What Dr Crippen describes on his post at 18.38 is precisely what occurs and like the good DR i now  switch off at 10.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 20 Feb 17 22:17
Yes always very polite is forum hero Nigel Farage

To Herman van Rompuy

"You have the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clark."

Very personal.
By:
The Leopard
When: 20 Feb 17 22:20
Farage prog is pretty dull.
By:
ZenMaster
When: 20 Feb 17 22:20
Likewise, i find O'Brien nauseating.
He and loose women get me reaching for my remote.
By:
ZenMaster
When: 20 Feb 17 22:21
Scandy

What has that got to do with LBC and taking call from the public?
By:
twizzle22
When: 20 Feb 17 22:23
Are you a total imbecile haven?..the point is about how he conducts himself on his radio PHONE IN show compared to the obnoxious O'Brien..do try to keep upGrin
By:
twizzle22
When: 20 Feb 17 22:24
Beat me to it Zen
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