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Anyone who investigated this knew it was true !
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238188/Sir-Edward-Heath-paedophile-says-police-chief.html
Sir Edward Heath WAS a paedophile, says police chief: Astonishing claim is made that the former PM is guilty of vile crimes 'covered up by the Establishment'
More than 30 people have come forward with claims about the former PM
And they are said to have given 'strikingly similar' accounts to Wiltshire Police
The county's chief constable has said that the allegations are 'totally convincing'
Pictures have emerged of Heath driving - despite it being claimed he didn't have a car
By Simon Walters Political Editor For The Mail On Sunday
PUBLISHED: 22:00, 18 February 2017 | UPDATED: 01:29, 19 February 2017
The police chief investigating claims that Sir Edward Heath was a paedophile is convinced the allegations are ‘120 per cent’ genuine, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
More than 30 people have come forward with claims of sexual abuse by the former Conservative Prime Minister, according to well-placed sources.
And they are said to have given ‘strikingly similar’ accounts of incidents to Wiltshire Police – even though the individuals are not known to each other.
The Mail on Sunday has been told that Wiltshire Chief Constable Mike Veale regards the allegations as ‘totally convincing’, and plans to publish a report in June.
Detectives have established that, contrary to claims that Sir Edward could not have committed the crimes as he ‘never drove a car’ and ‘always’ had a police driver with him, he did drive – and did have a car.
They have photographic evidence that shows he is a driver, and have established that he had a driving licence. He also bought a Rover 2000 after being deposed as Tory leader by Margaret Thatcher in 1975, when he was 58.
Astonishingly, Mr Veale is also understood to support claims that Sir Edward’s alleged crimes were reported to police years ago but covered up by the Establishment.
Some of those who said Sir Edward abused them are believed to have told police they went on to commit sexual abuse crimes themselves as a result.
The investigation into Sir Edward, called Operation Conifer, was set up in 2015 in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.
Mr Veale came under pressure to abandon the inquiry last year after separate claims of a paedophile ring at Westminster involving former Home Secretary, the late Lord Brittan, and former Defence chief, Lord Bramall, were found to be groundless.
Allegations that Sir Edward was involved in satanic orgies have been dismissed as fantasy by an expert asked to review the case.
However, The Mail on Sunday has been told that Mr Veale believes the paedophile allegations are genuine. A source said: ‘Mr Veale believes in them 120 per cent and thinks they are totally convincing.
‘There are very close similarities in the accounts given by those who have come forward. The same names used for him, the same places and same type of incidents keep coming up.
‘What stands out is that the people giving these accounts are not connected but the stories and the details dovetail.
‘It contains disturbing stuff. Investigators have been shocked by what they have learned.’
Another source said: ‘The police were initially sceptical about the allegations, but now believe them. And they have come round to the view that they were covered up in the past because of who Heath was.
DO THESE PHOTOS UNDERMINE EX PM'S DEFENCE?
(My edit : Photo of Heath getting into driver's seat of Rover car )
These are the photographs that appear to disprove the notion that the allegations against Sir Edward cannot be true because he ‘never drove a car’ and was always accompanied by police.
Both were taken in October 1975. In the main picture on the right, Heath is standing by the driver’s door of the Rover 2000 he bought after Margaret Thatcher ousted him as Tory leader in February that year. In the picture on the left, he is seen arriving at the Tory Party conference in Blackpool – in the driver’s seat.
The Mail on Sunday has learned that Wiltshire Police has also obtained photographic evidence of him driving.
The issue was first raised by former Cabinet Secretary Lord Armstrong, who worked with Sir Edward in No 10. Lord Armstrong said Sir Edward – whom he described as ‘asexual’ – had a 24-hour police guard and driver from the day he became PM in 1970 to his death in 2005, and did not have his own car.
‘When he was at home he had two policemen on the gate, he had the personal protection officer from Scotland Yard in the house, he never drove a car himself, he always had an official driver,’ said Lord Armstrong. ‘It seems highly unlikely he could have escaped all that to do the kind of thing that is described.’
Sir Edward Heath again pictured driving, this time leaving leaves the conference for the sea breezes of Weymouth +7
Sir Edward Heath again pictured driving, this time leaving leaves the conference for the sea breezes of Weymouth
Sir Edward bought the Rover after losing the chauffeur-driven car he was entitled to as Prime Minister, then Opposition leader.
A confidant of the former PM said: ‘He definitely could and did drive, though was a notoriously bad one. When he went to music concerts in Salzburg and hired a car, he was meant to drive it because his British police guards weren’t officially allowed to.
‘But they insisted as they were frightened he was going to crash.’
‘They will not be deflected by the rich and powerful trying to do the same now. Mike Veale is doing a great job and should be congratulated for his courage.’
The disclosures come after several senior politicians dismissed the allegations against Heath as absurd and unfounded. Former Tory Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind complained Heath’s reputation was being ‘besmirched’.
Heath’s sexuality has been the source of much speculation over the years. Some believed he was gay, others said he was ‘asexual.’ At one point, he was being investigated by no fewer than five police forces – the Met, Wiltshire, Hampshire, Kent and Jersey.
The claims, some of which have been proved false, include alleged links to a convicted brothel keeper known as Madame Ling-Ling. A paedophile dossier compiled by Labour peer Baroness Castle said he offered young boys trips on his yacht, and in a separate incident one man claimed Sir Edward picked him up hitchhiking in Kent as a 12-year-old in the 1960s and lured him to his Mayfair flat.
Labour MP Tom Watson also said he had received allegations about Sir Edward. However the claims Mr Veale is investigating, which date from the 1960s to 1990s, are not linked to the discredited evidence of the man known as ‘Nick’, who alleged a high-level paedophile ring.
One of the key counter-claims made when the allegations first surfaced came from former Cabinet Secretary Lord Armstrong, who worked with Heath when he was Prime Minister. He said Heath ‘never drove a car’ and always had at least one policeman with him from 1970 until his death in 2005.
Labour MP Tom Watson also said he had received allegations about Sir Edward +7
Labour MP Tom Watson also said he had received allegations about Sir Edward
The fact that Sir Edward could drive was confirmed last night by a friend, who said the former Prime Minister bought a car in 1975, although Sir Edward was later given a chauffeur-driven car and police guard after IRA death threats.
Asked if Mr Veale believed the allegations against Sir Edward were ‘totally convincing’, a police spokesman said the Chief Constable was determined to ‘ensure the investigation is proportionate, measured and legal’ and that the job of the police was to ‘impartially investigate allegations without fear or favour and go where the evidence takes us. It is not the role of the police to judge the guilt or innocence of people in our criminal justice system.’
Police refuse to call off the dogs after VIP child sex ring fiasco
Launched in 2015 to investigate allegations against Sir Edward Heath, Operation Conifer has been dogged by claims that it traduces the reputation of a Prime Minister who died more than a decade ago and could not be put on trial.
The operation, which has a staff of 17 and has run up a bill approaching £1 million, did not get off to a good start when Wiltshire Chief Constable Mike Veale had to apologise for launching it in front of cameras outside Sir Edward’s former house, Arundells, in Salisbury.
Demands to call it off grew last November when Scotland Yard was forced to abandon its Operation Midland investigation into similar claims of a VIP paedophile ring in Westminster.
After a flurry of false accusations, Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe apologised to former Defence chief Lord Bramall, ex-Tory MP Harvey Proctor, DJ Paul Gambaccini and Lady Brittan, widow of the late Lord Brittan.
A police officer stands at the gate of Arundells, the former home of Heath when the probe was launched +7
A police officer stands at the gate of Arundells, the former home of Heath when the probe was launched
Pressure on Operation Conifer mounted after this newspaper revealed how an expert, brought in by police to assess claims that Heath was linked to paedophiles who held satanic orgies, dismissed them as fantasy.
Days after The Mail on Sunday report, Mr Veale came out fighting and insisted Operation Conifer was not a ‘witch-hunt’.
In a surprise statement released on December 2, he said he refused to ‘buckle’ to demands to abandon the inquiry, and stressed his officers had not spoken to ‘Nick’, the man at the root of Operation Midland.
The Heath investigation was not a ‘fishing trip’, he said, adding that he was ‘duty-bound’ to go ahead with it ‘without fear or favour and go where the evidence takes us’.
He accused his critics of ignorance, and rebuked them for using ‘inappropriate and unacceptable pressure’ in an attempt to halt the inquiry.
Mr Veale said a ‘significant number of individuals’ had alleged abuse, but refused to say how many or give details of the only two people to be arrested.
He even said the findings of the investigation may never be made public, stating: ‘A confidential closing report will be written… and at that time I will take advice as to what I can legally put in the public domain.’
Police were ‘testing, checking and challenging the evidence and ensuring our approach is proportionate and justified’, he said.
Mr Veale argues that although Sir Edward died in 2005, other offenders may still be alive and victims could require support.
‘If the force had received allegations of non-recent child abuse against a former Prime Minister and done nothing, what would the reaction have been?’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238188/Sir-Edward-Heath-paedophile-says-police-chief.html#ixzz4Z7emgBIq
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238188/Sir-Edward-Heath-paedophile-says-police-chief.html
Sir Edward Heath WAS a paedophile, says police chief: Astonishing claim is made that the former PM is guilty of vile crimes 'covered up by the Establishment'
More than 30 people have come forward with claims about the former PM
And they are said to have given 'strikingly similar' accounts to Wiltshire Police
The county's chief constable has said that the allegations are 'totally convincing'
Pictures have emerged of Heath driving - despite it being claimed he didn't have a car
By Simon Walters Political Editor For The Mail On Sunday
PUBLISHED: 22:00, 18 February 2017 | UPDATED: 01:29, 19 February 2017
The police chief investigating claims that Sir Edward Heath was a paedophile is convinced the allegations are ‘120 per cent’ genuine, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
More than 30 people have come forward with claims of sexual abuse by the former Conservative Prime Minister, according to well-placed sources.
And they are said to have given ‘strikingly similar’ accounts of incidents to Wiltshire Police – even though the individuals are not known to each other.
The Mail on Sunday has been told that Wiltshire Chief Constable Mike Veale regards the allegations as ‘totally convincing’, and plans to publish a report in June.
Detectives have established that, contrary to claims that Sir Edward could not have committed the crimes as he ‘never drove a car’ and ‘always’ had a police driver with him, he did drive – and did have a car.
They have photographic evidence that shows he is a driver, and have established that he had a driving licence. He also bought a Rover 2000 after being deposed as Tory leader by Margaret Thatcher in 1975, when he was 58.
Astonishingly, Mr Veale is also understood to support claims that Sir Edward’s alleged crimes were reported to police years ago but covered up by the Establishment.
Some of those who said Sir Edward abused them are believed to have told police they went on to commit sexual abuse crimes themselves as a result.
The investigation into Sir Edward, called Operation Conifer, was set up in 2015 in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.
Mr Veale came under pressure to abandon the inquiry last year after separate claims of a paedophile ring at Westminster involving former Home Secretary, the late Lord Brittan, and former Defence chief, Lord Bramall, were found to be groundless.
Allegations that Sir Edward was involved in satanic orgies have been dismissed as fantasy by an expert asked to review the case.
However, The Mail on Sunday has been told that Mr Veale believes the paedophile allegations are genuine. A source said: ‘Mr Veale believes in them 120 per cent and thinks they are totally convincing.
‘There are very close similarities in the accounts given by those who have come forward. The same names used for him, the same places and same type of incidents keep coming up.
‘What stands out is that the people giving these accounts are not connected but the stories and the details dovetail.
‘It contains disturbing stuff. Investigators have been shocked by what they have learned.’
Another source said: ‘The police were initially sceptical about the allegations, but now believe them. And they have come round to the view that they were covered up in the past because of who Heath was.
DO THESE PHOTOS UNDERMINE EX PM'S DEFENCE?
(My edit : Photo of Heath getting into driver's seat of Rover car )
These are the photographs that appear to disprove the notion that the allegations against Sir Edward cannot be true because he ‘never drove a car’ and was always accompanied by police.
Both were taken in October 1975. In the main picture on the right, Heath is standing by the driver’s door of the Rover 2000 he bought after Margaret Thatcher ousted him as Tory leader in February that year. In the picture on the left, he is seen arriving at the Tory Party conference in Blackpool – in the driver’s seat.
The Mail on Sunday has learned that Wiltshire Police has also obtained photographic evidence of him driving.
The issue was first raised by former Cabinet Secretary Lord Armstrong, who worked with Sir Edward in No 10. Lord Armstrong said Sir Edward – whom he described as ‘asexual’ – had a 24-hour police guard and driver from the day he became PM in 1970 to his death in 2005, and did not have his own car.
‘When he was at home he had two policemen on the gate, he had the personal protection officer from Scotland Yard in the house, he never drove a car himself, he always had an official driver,’ said Lord Armstrong. ‘It seems highly unlikely he could have escaped all that to do the kind of thing that is described.’
Sir Edward Heath again pictured driving, this time leaving leaves the conference for the sea breezes of Weymouth +7
Sir Edward Heath again pictured driving, this time leaving leaves the conference for the sea breezes of Weymouth
Sir Edward bought the Rover after losing the chauffeur-driven car he was entitled to as Prime Minister, then Opposition leader.
A confidant of the former PM said: ‘He definitely could and did drive, though was a notoriously bad one. When he went to music concerts in Salzburg and hired a car, he was meant to drive it because his British police guards weren’t officially allowed to.
‘But they insisted as they were frightened he was going to crash.’
‘They will not be deflected by the rich and powerful trying to do the same now. Mike Veale is doing a great job and should be congratulated for his courage.’
The disclosures come after several senior politicians dismissed the allegations against Heath as absurd and unfounded. Former Tory Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind complained Heath’s reputation was being ‘besmirched’.
Heath’s sexuality has been the source of much speculation over the years. Some believed he was gay, others said he was ‘asexual.’ At one point, he was being investigated by no fewer than five police forces – the Met, Wiltshire, Hampshire, Kent and Jersey.
The claims, some of which have been proved false, include alleged links to a convicted brothel keeper known as Madame Ling-Ling. A paedophile dossier compiled by Labour peer Baroness Castle said he offered young boys trips on his yacht, and in a separate incident one man claimed Sir Edward picked him up hitchhiking in Kent as a 12-year-old in the 1960s and lured him to his Mayfair flat.
Labour MP Tom Watson also said he had received allegations about Sir Edward. However the claims Mr Veale is investigating, which date from the 1960s to 1990s, are not linked to the discredited evidence of the man known as ‘Nick’, who alleged a high-level paedophile ring.
One of the key counter-claims made when the allegations first surfaced came from former Cabinet Secretary Lord Armstrong, who worked with Heath when he was Prime Minister. He said Heath ‘never drove a car’ and always had at least one policeman with him from 1970 until his death in 2005.
Labour MP Tom Watson also said he had received allegations about Sir Edward +7
Labour MP Tom Watson also said he had received allegations about Sir Edward
The fact that Sir Edward could drive was confirmed last night by a friend, who said the former Prime Minister bought a car in 1975, although Sir Edward was later given a chauffeur-driven car and police guard after IRA death threats.
Asked if Mr Veale believed the allegations against Sir Edward were ‘totally convincing’, a police spokesman said the Chief Constable was determined to ‘ensure the investigation is proportionate, measured and legal’ and that the job of the police was to ‘impartially investigate allegations without fear or favour and go where the evidence takes us. It is not the role of the police to judge the guilt or innocence of people in our criminal justice system.’
Police refuse to call off the dogs after VIP child sex ring fiasco
Launched in 2015 to investigate allegations against Sir Edward Heath, Operation Conifer has been dogged by claims that it traduces the reputation of a Prime Minister who died more than a decade ago and could not be put on trial.
The operation, which has a staff of 17 and has run up a bill approaching £1 million, did not get off to a good start when Wiltshire Chief Constable Mike Veale had to apologise for launching it in front of cameras outside Sir Edward’s former house, Arundells, in Salisbury.
Demands to call it off grew last November when Scotland Yard was forced to abandon its Operation Midland investigation into similar claims of a VIP paedophile ring in Westminster.
After a flurry of false accusations, Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe apologised to former Defence chief Lord Bramall, ex-Tory MP Harvey Proctor, DJ Paul Gambaccini and Lady Brittan, widow of the late Lord Brittan.
A police officer stands at the gate of Arundells, the former home of Heath when the probe was launched +7
A police officer stands at the gate of Arundells, the former home of Heath when the probe was launched
Pressure on Operation Conifer mounted after this newspaper revealed how an expert, brought in by police to assess claims that Heath was linked to paedophiles who held satanic orgies, dismissed them as fantasy.
Days after The Mail on Sunday report, Mr Veale came out fighting and insisted Operation Conifer was not a ‘witch-hunt’.
In a surprise statement released on December 2, he said he refused to ‘buckle’ to demands to abandon the inquiry, and stressed his officers had not spoken to ‘Nick’, the man at the root of Operation Midland.
The Heath investigation was not a ‘fishing trip’, he said, adding that he was ‘duty-bound’ to go ahead with it ‘without fear or favour and go where the evidence takes us’.
He accused his critics of ignorance, and rebuked them for using ‘inappropriate and unacceptable pressure’ in an attempt to halt the inquiry.
Mr Veale said a ‘significant number of individuals’ had alleged abuse, but refused to say how many or give details of the only two people to be arrested.
He even said the findings of the investigation may never be made public, stating: ‘A confidential closing report will be written… and at that time I will take advice as to what I can legally put in the public domain.’
Police were ‘testing, checking and challenging the evidence and ensuring our approach is proportionate and justified’, he said.
Mr Veale argues that although Sir Edward died in 2005, other offenders may still be alive and victims could require support.
‘If the force had received allegations of non-recent child abuse against a former Prime Minister and done nothing, what would the reaction have been?’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238188/Sir-Edward-Heath-paedophile-says-police-chief.html#ixzz4Z7emgBIq
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Dunno about Heath, but I would press the police officer about how he came up with the figure of exactly 120%
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You know what he means.
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Heath was a Europhile who gave away your sovereignty
Leon Britton was European Commissioner and campaigned for Remain. Nothing would surprise me about these two treacherous gentlemen. |
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Leon Britton was European Commissioner and campaigned for Remain.
quite some feat seeing as he died in january 2015 |
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Defend him all you like but I saw him getting trounced by Nigel Farage in a debate on leaving Europe.
You seem to think there was no debate on leaving Europe prior to 2015. |
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This thread is about Edward Heath…… incredibly important as it could bring down the establishment that protected him.
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the brexiteers dug him up to debate the issue but he didnt have much to say....
 i think he was asking to remain in his coffin, to be fair |
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worrying allegations about heath though
and inquiries may not suffice |
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Only worrying you now.
Ye weren't worried when he was railroading your democracy. Ye weren't worried when he sold out to the European Elite. Ye weren't worried when he negotiated a deal so bad with his so called European friends it had to be renogotiated within a few years. A despicable creature in every way. Mind you the hypocrisy of Tom Watson is breathtaking,this man has defended the grooming gangs for years. Its only a certain type of paedophile he wants prosecuted. |
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why compare your hero to tom watson ?
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^ Nonsense
What country do you live in? And what nationality are you ? |
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^ Wild Ape
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Heath outed as a wrong-un by chitchat years ago
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If you read te post Donny you might have noticed this line about Heath.
" a despicable creature in every way " That also applies to the segregationist Tom Watson. |
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The Leopard your latent racism is being to show.
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and wilders compares to them in your mind
great stuff |
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Are you Dutch ? .......wildebeast
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Wild Ape
Wildebeest. Try to remain civil. I'm Irish,living in Tipperary but with a soft spot for te British who I admire. |
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Brilliant stuff from Wildmanfromborneo as usual.
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Easily the worst Prime Minister this country has had since the war.
From his confrontation with the miners and the three-day week, to his sacking from his shadow cabinet of potentially the best Prime Minister we never had in Enoch Powell. His term in office was dismal. Thankfully his replacement Margaret Thatcher did the job properly and the country went on from there. I've deleted my final sentence in this post which referred to his private life. You would have liked it, but I don't want to give the grubby ones another shot at removing me from the forum. |
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powell told folk to vote labour in 1974,
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Thatcher ....Peter Morrison ....google it !
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"Dunno about Heath, but I would press the police officer about how he came up with the figure of exactly 120%"
Probably maths was not his best subject at school.  It does not make sense to refer to more than 100% of a whole. Percentages over 100% can be used, but they should be used with care as they can very easily be misleading. It's like saying my mum was half Italian, half Spanish and half English, that is 3 halves.(She was a big woman !) But two halves make a whole, so it's the same thing. And saying 120% is not correct word usage. Hope this helps.  |
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Powell told people to vote Labour because at the time Labour were opposed to European membership. While the Conservatives were in favour of it.
That simply shows how passionately he was against the UK being in EU, and how much he thought of his country. Powell said what he believed in, not what would further his own interests. |
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Tell Dell - you are of course absolutely 100% correct!
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The Police shhould focus on the gangs of paedophiles across our cities who are active today rather than go on about someone who has been dead a decade.
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I'm old and the rumours about Heath's sexuality have been around for as long as I can remember.......Even if he is outed as a paedo and I suspect he was it'll make no difference to anything as it was all so long ago.The Establishment won't even feel a tremor.
Peter Morrison is worth googling if only to see to whom he is closely related. |
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read somewhere that heath loved demonic orgies where he"d turn into a lizard,p00p was course but this was written years before all this stuff about him now
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3 day working week
had plenty of free time |
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and the lights were all out
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Icke said this Years Ago ,no one listens to him .. But most of what he was spouting appears to be True
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I don't want to give the grubby ones another shot at removing me from the forum.
Welcome back Dr Crippen, I concur with that sentiment. Take care and keep posting, it will annoy the hell out of them. |
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young chap in the dressing room back in the 80s after doing the wogan show
"Id never met ted heath before but as he standing close to me I thought id say hello. what happened next I"ll never forget, his eyes turned black and he spanned me from top to bottom like he wasn't from this world,he never said a word"  |
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Could it be possible for a single, and if I dare say it, an eccentric old man just to be endearing to the general public and nothing more..
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It's long been accepted that Morrison was a wrong'un. He drank himself to death years ago and was closely connected to Thatcher not Heath. His drunken incompetence when running her leadership campaign in 1990 may have cost her her job. He was a member of the supermarket family.
I must admit that I had always assumed Heath was a closet homosexual ( which wouldn't make him a paedophile ) but it was not something a politician of his vintage would admit to even after it became legal. Icke may well have outed him as a paedophile years ago,but he has similarly outed most of the establishment not only as paedos but as shapeshifting lizards ffs. Once we start assuming everything he says carries some weight we might as well give up. |
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^^^^^ 'homosexual' How very dare you
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