Trump cites incident "last night in Sweden"

In other news....

In 1975, the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the former homogeneous Sweden into a multicultural country. Forty years later the dramatic consequences of this experiment emerge: violent crime has increased by 300%.

If one looks at the number of rapes, however, the increase is even worse. In 1975, 421 rapes were reported to the police; in 2014, it was 6,620. That is an increase of 1,472%.

Sweden is now number two on the global list of rape countries. According to a survey from 2010, Sweden, with 53.2 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants, is surpassed only by tiny Lesotho in Southern Africa, with 91.6 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.

Yes, official figures show that you are 33 times more likley to be raped in Sweden than in India. So if you have any attractive teenage daughter who wants to travel to Sweden this summer, send her to India instead! Very safe! We all know that statistics like that never can be false or misleading. Also beware of travelling to Canada or Australia. They top the list of countries with a high kidnapping rate! Kidnappings are about 27 times more common in Australia than in Colombia. Official figures from the UN. If you want to be safe on your holiday go to India or Colombia, and avoid Sweden, Canada and Australia!

Lots of spiders in Australia too !

"The Swedish embassy in Washington has asked the U.S. State Department for an explanation of a comment made by President Donald Trump that suggested there had been some sort of security incident in Sweden on Friday."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-sweden-idUSKBN15Y0QH

Don't need an excuse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeXd9b01uY

America is a multi cultural and multi racial society, these societies are less stable and more violent. Democracy is not possible in a multi cultural society, multiculturalism is the opposite of democracy.
its like this, democracy can work but only when people share the same values and beliefs.

There is no need for President Trump to give any explanation to anyone from Sweden

Seems it was a bombing in Sehwan , which is in Pakistan .

Trump heard this as Sweden ans so we have this

even the Sun joining in

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2902647/donald-trump-appears-to-invent-refugee-terror-attack-in-sweden-during-florida-rally/

Trump what an absolute clown

no one in the Swedish government can be trusted to take good advice from the US president.

curious the pleasure it gives when Trump annoys the Swedish people.
and the British also.

when the sun is mocking it must be bad

TRUMP IS RIGHT: Sweden’s refugee policy has led to problems it never imagined
Tove Lifvendahl


19 February 2017

(Fraser Nelson writes from Stockholm:) During a rally in Florida yesterday, Donald Trump said that Sweden ‘took in large numbers’ of refugees and is now ‘having problems that they never thought possible’. He is being justifiably criticised and mocked for a bizarre claim that some (presumably refugee-related) event happened “last night” in Sweden. Nothing happened of any note, save for an unusually bad episode of the Melfest song contest. But Sweden has grown used to refugee-related crime stories, from attacks on asylum centres to gang-related killings. I met a journalist in Stockholm a few days ago who told me that such stories – shootings in Malmö, even suicides of unaccompanied child refugees swallowed up by the burgeoning underworld – don’t make the news in a way they should because such stories have become commonplace. Thousands of kids showing up with no parents, then being sold into prostitution or trafficked – and the authorities are hopelessly underequipped.

The awful truth is that Trump was right to say they are dealing with problems that they never imagined. And problems that the police admit they simply cannot handle because no one thought that they were possible.

When a British boy was killed in a grenade attack in Gothenburg last summer, we decided to lead the magazine on this issue. Tove Lifvendahl, political editor-in-chief of Svenska Dagbladet, wrote a Spectator story about the problems that the government never expected and still doesn’t know how to deal with. I understand that her newspaper will have a fairly harrowing story about child refugees tomorrow. This tragedy is still unfolding in Sweden and it should be getting far more attention. Anyway, here’s Tove’s cover story.



For a British boy to be killed by a grenade attack anywhere is appalling, but for it to happen in a suburb of Gothenburg should shatter a few illusions about Sweden. Last week’s murder of eight-year-old Yuusuf Warsame fits a pattern that Swedes have come slowly to recognise over the years. He was from Birmingham, visiting relatives, and was caught up in what Swedish police believe is a gang war within the Somali community. Last year, a four-year-old girl was killed by a car bomb outside Gothenburg, another apparent victim of gang violence.

Fraser Nelson and Ivar Arpi discuss the Swedish model for migration on this week’s Spectator podcast:



For years, Sweden has regarded itself as a ‘humanitarian superpower’ — making its mark on the world not by fighting wars but by offering shelter to war’s victims. Refugees have arrived here in extraordinary numbers. Over the past 15 years, some 650,000 asylum-seekers made their way to Sweden. Of the 163,000 who arrived last year, 32,000 were granted asylum. Sweden accepts more refugees in proportion to size of population than any other nation in the developed world — when it comes to offering shelter, no one does it better. But when it comes to integrating those we take in (or finding the extra housing, schools and healthcare needed for them), we don’t do so well.

It may be news to the rest of the world, but gang warfare has been a feature of our country for years now. Stockholm has been witness to Dickensian scenes of young pickpockets and thieves playing games of cat-and-mouse with the police, who feel powerless. Until fairly recently, Sweden was admired for its progressive social policies. Today, one in seven voters supports the Sweden Democrats, a populist party until recently reviled in polite Swedish society.

The problems relating to immigration have been building up for years, but the country’s left and right were united in maintaining employment regulations and rent controls that kept immigrants unemployed in ghetto-like suburbs. As a result, we lost valuable time. Three years ago, there were riots in socially deprived areas of Stockholm, and it’s only got worse since then. A parallel society is emerging where the state’s monopoly on law and order is being challenged. ‘Today, the gang environment is — well, I don’t want to exactly call it the Wild West, but something in that direction,’ says Amir Rostami, an authority on Swedish organised crime who teaches at Stockholm University.

Integrating adults into Swedish society has been tricky enough, but a much more difficult problem is how to deal with all the unaccompanied children. During the Iraq war, about 400 children arrived without their parents each year — and all of them needed a place to live, social support and proper schooling. In 2014, when the number of children arriving annually hit 7,000, there were serious questions about how Sweden would cope. Last year, just over 35,000 unaccompanied children registered with the authorities.

The children are every age and arrive from all kinds of countries. Afghans and Somalis are currently the two biggest groups. Then come Syrians, Ethiopians, Iraqis, Moroccans and Eritreans. Some are fleeing war; many are fleeing poverty and misery. Strikingly, boys outnumber girls by about five to one. And it’s far from clear how many may in fact be adults — unlike other countries, Sweden doesn’t test for age. Whatever age the applicant gives is accepted, unless it’s ‘obviously’ untrue. The definition of ‘obvious’ is unclear. During one recent interview on Swedish radio, several asylum-seekers confessed to lying about their age to improve their chances of settlement. One, called Dawood, put it bluntly: ‘If I say I’m grown-up, they’ll deport me.’

The cost of accommodating our child refugees is enormous: £160 per child per day. That could be money well spent, if it worked. There are serious concerns, though, about children falling victim to predatory adults who have lied about their age. Earlier this year, a boy of 12 was raped in refugee accommodation by another refugee who claimed to be 15. A dental X-ray suggested the attacker was closer to 19. Later that month, a 22-year-old Swede (herself the daughter of immigrants) was stabbed to death by one of the refugees she was caring for — another adult claiming to be 15.

Such horrific stories raise the fear that the authorities have lost control. This is reflected in the extraordinary rise of the Sweden Democrats. There have also been a spate of attacks on refugee centres, some of which have been burnt down. For many, this seems like history repeating itself — similar attacks occurred in the 1990s, after a rapid influx of Balkan refugees. Such acts cast a dark shadow over our reputation for tolerance.

A while ago, I spoke to Lasse Siggelin, a social worker living in Gotland, who is alarmed at how many unaccompanied children are being placed in refugee care homes that seem hopelessly unfit for the task. Carers are instructed not to talk about the asylum process, or even to ask about the children’s backgrounds. ‘We can’t ask about their home, or about their parents,’ says Siggelin. ‘But such things occupy 90 per cent of their thoughts.’

Child refugees are sent to Swedish schools, but they struggle to integrate and are sometimes placed in separate groups, because of their vastly different learning needs. It’s pretty hard to bond with your classmates if you have to return every night to a care home. Even if school staff want to help, they seldom have the time or capacity to offer a shoulder to cry on. Instead, the children are directed to scheduled appointments with a child psychiatrist. As Siggelin explains, ‘If we don’t acknowledge the hurt and sadness that is there, then there are always people queuing up prepared to lead them astray.’

Those ‘queuing up’ include drug dealers, pimps, gangmasters and even jihadists. Sweden’s care homes have become a rich source of vulnerable young men who are full of frustration and hopelessness and lacking in direction. They may be open to the temptation of easy rewards, or of a path that they are promised will bring new meaning to their lives. There have been reports of Islamic State recruitment drives, not just in public places, but inside Swedish government programmes. Last year my newspaper, Svenska Dagbladet, exposed how some official schemes had been infiltrated by jihadists.

But stories of shocking abuse, the kind that would be front-page news in Britain, are relegated to the inside pages of the Swedish press. Tragically, the reason for this is that there is so much of it. In the last few weeks, we have heard about child prostitutes being pimped out in parking lots, and a Palestinian 15-year-old who, it is feared, was forced into prostitution while living in a care home in Malmo. For some time now, children in care homes have been notoriously easy prey and many of them simply vanish — over the past five years, well over a thousand have done so. These children face a sickeningly high risk of being sucked into a life of crime or even sex slavery. As their abusers well know, there is virtually no chance of anyone coming to look for the ones who go missing.

‘There is basically nothing we can do,’ says the head of Skane border police. ‘In some cases, we don’t even have descriptions of the children. So there is no means of identifying them… no information about relatives. We have nothing to work with.’ Lisa Green, who monitors human trafficking in Malmo, has reported 40 cases of suspected child trafficking to the police over the past few years but says her complaints were not even recorded. ‘Nobody is dealing with human trafficking,’ says Mattias Sigfridsson, head of the police department that deals with missing persons. ‘We have no ability to do that right now — there are no staff.’

In response to the crisis that threatens to overwhelm it, Swedish politics has become more realistic, less romantic. Passports are now being checked on the famous Oresund bridge that links Sweden with Denmark. As a result, the journey time has doubled, horrifying Malmo residents who like to regard their city as a satellite of Copenhagen, and making cross-border business more difficult. These new checks have helped fight other crimes, such as drug dealing and drink driving. (Sweden’s minister for sixth-form education failed a breathalyser test and later resigned.)

And still the authorities struggle to deal with the problem of what to do with migrants whose asylum claims are rejected. Between January and April this year, the Migration Agency handed over some 2,645 cases to the police for deportation. Just 1,255 of these are classified as complete — two thirds were deported by force, while the rest left the country voluntarily. Police estimate they will deport 4,000 people this year, up a third from last year, but not much of a dent in the 22,000 cases currently under consideration. Many, of course, will have been summoned and then suddenly disappeared into the expanding Swedish underworld.

As the refugees have arrived, ordinary Swedes have responded in an extraordinary way; individuals and families have opened up their homes, donated clothes and supplies, invested time and effort. Businesses have also found ways to help child refugees to integrate properly into Swedish society by offering opportunities for work. But with the best will in the world, it’s still a race against time.

‘If you are not prepared, you are unprepared.’ These are the words of Fredrik Reinfeldt, our former prime minister, and perfectly sum up Sweden’s migration crisis. We still hear politicians defiantly claim that our country is a humanitarian superpower — but they don’t do so as often, and they sound distinctly less smug when they do. The Swedish Way might not shine quite as brightly as a beacon to the world. But anyone who wants to find out how not to handle a migration crisis is welcome to pay us a visit.

The Spectator a filthy tory rag

Swedish press wouldn't report it if anything had actually happened.

This afternoon in Montauban their was a knife attack, dont worry he was shot and had mental issues.

did all that happen last night ?

a bigly occurrence

I feel like this is going to be a pattern for Trump. Whenever he has some bad times as President, has bad news cycles of the kind he's getting, he'll hold a big rally somewhere so he can talk to a couple thousand of his most diehard supporters to convince himself that people still like him.

Because he's a delicate, thin-skinned, insecure mess of a human being that needs constant validation to sustain his ridiculous and unwarranted egotistical nonsense.

above from the comments in the graun

theres no reason to have these rallies now,pure narcissism,the man is a little puddle of a human being

10,000 at rally, just saying

he could probably fill the biggest stadium in the country every day to see his corny little lie-fest,doesnt mean it means anything

The liberals seem to get more fevered by a potential false claim of an attack,  than by the many actual attacks.

If Donald trump needs assessing for mental health issues, the what should we do with liberalism?

...and he won

anyone else worry about trumps mental stability ??

  " sweden, sweden of all places " 

   even feckin sweden dont know what hes on about...

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

My statement as to what's happening in Sweden was in reference to a story that was broadcast on @FoxNews concerning immigrants & Sweden.

Yes, because the Swedes are so mixed up themselves.
A swedish Judge has just approved a pregnant 14 year old Syrians marriage to her first cousin.
This means that Sweden now approves of Sharia law.

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.3723/swedish-court-approves-of-child-marriage.html

Lets hope he doesn't get into and argument with Kim Jong-un.

i dont know why the press bother repeating his guff for hours

the same guff seems to be an agenda for folk on a gambling forum

why are they so worried, its not like they walk around in trump tshirts
and red baseball caps looking for real bad people

or is it ?

Do people like glasgowcalling really not know what is going on in Sweden ?

The guy has been talking sh!te for years. It didn't prevent him becoming President, and it won't make any difference now. He will continue talking sh!te for years to come, and any dissenting voices will be denounced as "fake news". We may as well just accept it, and hope that he somehow manages to do more good than harm.

usa allows child marriage , trumpy could have band that by now

Sweden has taken far too many immigrants and is now suffering for it.
Just watched a docu which was a year old and they spoke of 64 no go areas because of migrants.
When ambulance or fire engines are required they receive a police escort.

   even feckin sweden dont know what hes on about...LaughLaugh


Sweden is a multicultural mess.  Liberals tend to ignore this.

I love it when people post something with words that leads to their view.

Why not just post your opinion.

Its not just Liberals that think Trump is potty , John McCain said today that once you lose a questioning press then democracy itself is in danger

how can the indoctrinated have an opinion sonko

they are looking bigly silly

mccain is a good voice yep,be good to see few others from the gop put their heads above the parapet

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, are you targetting fellow chit-chatters or American voters ?

trumps a hypocrite on everything,the leaks-he called on russia to spy on hill c and release to wiki,obamas trips-costing millions every week to get him to floridamguard trump tower in ny

McCains nose put out of joint after Trump called him out for leaking the false report about Trumps Russian ties and the famous false made up allegations of Trump with urinating prostitutes.

the media here and in the US are foaming at the mouth to jump on a comment Trump makes about Sweden, which turns out to be factually incorrect.

But the same media have a complete blackout (North Korean style censorship) in terms of reporting the hundreds of known atrocities that have been happening in Sweden for the last few years.

The people will not stand for censorship, they are not fooled by the mass propaganda. the genie is out of the bottle

is that why he went tieless at his rally

were them long red ties from russia

"Conservatives, especially from the far right, know that Sweden has welcomed more refugees than almost any other country in Europe, especially in proportion to how small the country is. Many of them have heard erroneous or heavily exaggerated stories about increases in crime and arson and things like that.

   .....   Do people like glasgowcalling really not know what is going on in Sweden ?


  wasnt really professing i did sonko, merely pointing out the bizzare news conference.

Remember that trump had the cheek to say that McCain who served 5 years in captivity in Vietnam was not fit to be called a war hero , who is this clown to judge somebody over that

How can it be bizarre if you know nothing about Sweden ?

I  think a lot of Trumps nonsense stem from the fact that even though he has got a lot of money a lot of people in New York always thought he was classless chav

The heat must have gone to McCains head while over there if he is now resorting to making up false allegations against his own party leader and President.

You favour the upper classes then anxious?

BIZZARE in the fact that the news conference was on the fri and it took till the sat for trump to clarify what he was

talking about ( as regards sweden ),

he could spend every penny and not buy class,grubby little sex pest,never read a book,never worked a day in his life,has a derogatory name for everyone/thing

I've got friends in Sweden, so that helps. but even if I didn't its easy to get to the truth - its all over the Internet - which isn't censored (yet)

fair enough glasgow.

trump has taken 2 days to think of an excuse for
his fake news

has he met joey barton on twitter yet ?

i am not on twitter donny... bit to old i feel, barton had no chance trying to explain his actions after the whole country

seeing them highlighted and replayed on motd.

trump has taken 2 days to think of an excuse for his fake news.


It's not been 2 days donny. Keep it real sunshine.

Akabula even though I am a boy from the back streets of Manchester I can tell the difference between the real McCoy and a bounder like trump

what was his excuse donny ?

Was only jesting anxious. Wonder how he feels. Getting put under immense pressure.
Tells you how much class TM has.

immense pressure is going home to wife and kids and telling them
you aint got enough money for food this week because you paid
the gas bill

any links for that quote ?

... think bill shankly said something about pressure and working down a mine. !!

But only if yer a miner Donny?

8. Pressure is working down the pit. Pressure is having no work at all. Pressure is trying to escape relegation on 50 shillings a week. Pressure is not the European Cup or the Championship or the Cup Final. That’s the reward.

He also said this, so whats it to be?

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."

Trump defeated,

Judd Trump in the Welsh Snooker Open Final on Eurosport just now

must have had AKA in mind with this quote..


    4. If you’ve got three Scots in your side, you’ve got a chance of winning something. If you’ve got any more, you’re in trouble.

   

The best English teams at that time all had a fair few Scots in their line-ups.
Tottenhams double winning team had Bill Brown, Dave Mckay and John White all starring.

Souey Hansen Dalglish

did the Scots ever thank England for that? I don't know.

Trump does not tell lies, certainly not about Sweden.
that must be clear to even the biggest lump.

irony ?

FOX news is where he got the info,his way of saying its false news I guess

He worded it badly.
He never said there was a terrorist attack,he just accurately said Sweden is in a mess.

My son lives in Sweden married to a Swede,many were the arguments we had over politics,she was so proud of how Sweden was the most humanitarian country in the world.
Over the years this has changed.
She used to cycle to work,not anymore.
She started to cover up to stop the harassment from the thousands of unaccompanied minors that control the enteric Malmo.
She now wears a headscarf,some of her friends are dyeing their hair.

The migrants are not adapting to Sweden,Sweden is adapting to the migrants.
The country is a year or two away from social and economic collapse.

a long post wildman

but not true, he was talking about an incident not a series of them.

hes just digging a hole, and you are helping dig

I wonder has trump ever been to Sweden ?

No he wasn't,he referred to a programme he watched on Fox which was about the chaos in Sweden.

Sweden is near economic and social collapse.

Donny do you struggle with posts of more than a few lines ?
You might have more in common with Trump than you think.

he was talking about an incident in sweden "last night"

he has since dug himself into a hole by saying he meant something else

his fan boys are bigly buying into his spin

why cant you just say he made a booboo instead of making
yourself look silly

You are straying into long post territory.

You know he mangles the English language,you know his speeches are rarely coherent  but that doesn't matter.
All that matters are his policies,the control of immigration,bringing jobs back to America,an awareness of the threat of Islam and a distrust of globalism.

He may have got there in a roundabout way but he's dead right about Sweden.

no he was wrong

A few things about the infamous city of Malmö: Malmö is the most multicultural city in Sweden, and it is indeed also the most dangerous city in Scandinavia. Last year there were 11 murders in Malmö, and about 300 000 people live there, so a murder rate of about 3,67 (per 100000 people). This is below the average for the USA, and does not come close to the more dangerous cities over there. St. Louis for example had a murder rate of 59 in 2015. 59! And that city is of a similar size to Malmö. Chicago had a murder rate of 28 (in 2016). Makes Malmö look like a relatively safe city, doesn't it? Since a pretty large proportion of the people living in Malmö are muslims you do see a lot of women wearing hijabs, but the majority do not. Non-muslim women living in Malmö typically do NOT cover their hair in any way. (It's sadly well known that many girls from muslim families more or less are forced to do so by male muslims.)

In a crime survey 3% of all Swedish women said that they had been the victim of some type sex crime last year. This includes sexual harassment like walking up to a woman and grabbing her **** which mr. Trump has bragged about doing. A decade ago it was only about 1.5% of all women who said yes to the same question, so you have to say that sex crimes have sky rocketed in the last decade.

Oh, and the economy of Sweden will not collapse within the next couple of years. We're richer than the UK and that will at least not change in the next 5 years. It will take more than a few years of economic mismanagement for that to change.

Do I approve of the Swedish migration policy? -No, not at all. We have taken way too many refugees in recent years. I still think that Trump is an incredibly ignorant liar and generally unlikeable.

might be cleverer than you think,he,s openned a debate in sweeden that wasnt happening 72 hrs ago, ,the same as the one openned after cologne for which merkel now admits she was wrong and offering cash for refugees to leave

I thought Reagan and Bush were bad but Trump trumps them all

his attempts to explain the mistake only add to the hilarity. Fox News

Whites in the minority in St Louis, comparing it with Malmo is ridiculous, as both have nothing in common except population numbers.
Both have different gun laws, racial diversity, religous beliefs, justice systems etc.

Racial composition St Louis - 2015

White    47.1% (est.)   
Black    46.9% (est.)   
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 3.9% (est.)
Asian    3.3% (est.)

Feb 20, 2017 -- 12:15PM, 1st time poster wrote:

might be cleverer than you think,he,s openned a debate in sweeden that wasnt happening 72 hrs ago, ,the same as the one openned after cologne for which merkel now admits she was wrong and offering cash for refugees to leave

exactly

**** Sapien population St Louis 100%.

all the sweden debate is working a treat. It's leading the snowflakes into a cul de sac they can't get out of. You can't find any country in Europe more viciously effected by muslim migrants than Sweden. I hope the Dutch and French are watching the news now

Is Sweden richer than the UK ?

http://www.theinfofinder.com/top-100-richest-countries-in-the-world/

Seems like some people wish a religious war would start..

Trump's masterplan to create debate in Sweden

I think China is richer than Britain, and richer than the isle of Lewis. that's ok poverty doesn't worry me.

in Sweden you can watch freedom dying, if you open your eyes.

.
https://www.rt.com/news/378142-sweden-riot-rinkeby-fire/

that trump interview over 25 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKi5YeNtRI

All those lies told by Swedes and their government are coming home now.
Muslims rioting in a Stockolm no go area now shows Trump not only to be right but rather Nostradamus like.

he was talking about "last night" so was wrong

Nostradamus, lol .....even moneytree could have predicted problems in sweden

but trump did not !

Seems like some people wish a religious war would start..

Possibly the essence of this debate, many on the right want to limit mass immigration before a sizeable minority becomes emboldened whilst many on the left deny the possibility of such an event ever happening regardless of numbers. Just recognising this may be possible would settle a lot of people as long as the politicians managed immigration better. The danger is the reactive approach could swing too far the other way and inflame passions.

Wow....the usual suspects never disappoint

Thought I would pop in for a wee visit inbetween having a life....just gets better and better.

At least another 8 years of pointing and laughing to look forward to.

Some of the meltdowns on this thread are glorious

Keep fighting the fight comrades. I for one would like to thank you for "making chit chat great again"....now where did I put my popcorn.

rivers of blood treetop, same story innit,

some folk want to exaggerate to to understate

The Truth About Sweden - From The Horses Mouth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am7bEhv4y4A