are religous people mentally ill??

They've got psychological issues when they have to believe in something where's there's no scientific proof it exists.

Whether they've got MH issues I wouldn't know, but not rational.

Wouldn't (ideally) want to be treated by a doctor or nurse that was religious, if I had a choice.

For me, logic and religion are opposite sides.

for a lot of people religion is a comfort whether they truly believe in in or not, and in such a big bad world who are we to take that away from them. For many others it's a part of culture, something you're born into, not much to do with mental illness.

Sheesh! Look into LIFE and see the mystery of biology. Then have a good think

SH, I was born into a mildly god fearing family ... Sunday school, no footie on Sundays sort of thing.

I grew up and naturally started to look for evidence of god and when I saw a Sunday Times article (Colour Supplement) showing the horrors of the Vietnam War, at 17 I realised there was no god, or if there was he was an evil fooker.

He's an evil **** if he/she/it exists.

not mentally ill - it's a way of coming to terms with things that are beyond human understanding

He's and evil w...@...nker FFS Betfair, grow up.

I'm not intelligent enough to understand the complexities of life as A_T says, so I don't believe in religion based on simple reasons such as what mememe has given, but understand why certain people are religious.

The worst kind of pain is when you've lost a family member either too young or in horrific circumstances, that can include slowly dying of cancer, I will never understand the point of that and it would make me resent any God if there were one.

I also don't understand the point of worshipping a God, I'd rather not worship anyone.

But in my experience, most religious people are peaceful people who do good, it just might not seem that way beause of the extremely loud minority starting wars in the name of religion.

Many people believe strange things, it doesn't mean they are mentally ill. Most of my friends and neighbours, including my wife, have religious beliefs of one type or another and they are perfectly normal people.

Zorro explained through the use of glove puppets the concept, but I just cant see who/what/where/how you can love something that is so cryptic as to not even know if they exist.
Like do you have to pray kneeling down, are thoughts as good as prayers, to what extent was an act acceptable during life, which sins have been absolved and if you become 'born again' then does it set the original sins right even if you then loose your faith later?
All a mystery innit, but zorro will be along shortly...

If parents did not inculcate their children there would be no religion.

well said Saddo.

religion is an evil concept.
Believing in a god is understandable (but I don't)

santa, ghosts, aliens, loch ness monster, tories wanting nhs

I had a looksee at those commandments just in case and think I scored around 7.5 out of 10 which is pretty fookin good in my book.
Way I see it if you keep on the good side of those just in case......

I just cant see who/what/where/how you can love something that is so cryptic as to not even know if they exist.

I'm just as mystified, Dusty. I've visited many churches and great cathedrals when there are few people about and I see a vast empty space with nothing there apart from a few decorations and statues. It's like an empty theatre waiting for an audience and actors in fancy dress to appear on stage. Sure enough, at regular intervals a performance takes place, there is audience participation and they go home content, but that's all there is.

these big empty buildings are full of history , find a local to
guide you to points of interest, before or after the audience participation bit

climb to a high point and gain a view of the area

Brainwashing and fear contribute immensely to some people believing.
Brainwashing in as much as being born into a family of believers and being taken to church regularly from a very early age.
Fear in the message preached from the pulpits if you don't live by the word.

I remember being taught in Sunday school of a God of love. Very hard to accept that as you grow older and see the misery that exists.

Very hard to accept that as you grow older and see the misery that exists.

Because we were given a choice of how to behave. Nothing is meant to be easy, why should it be?

^ There are billions of planets with intelligent civilisations on them......you think there is one 'God'  juggling them all ?

Much more likely are the theories of Darwin, Evolution and survival of the fittest.

The universe has been in existence for 14 billion years, that is where all the diversity of life comes from

There our theories that we may be in a virtual reality simulation but I doubt that, but I would wouldn't I.

Most religious belief comes from indoctrination from families and passed down the generations.

Are you difficult to break out of that indoctrination.

[i]paulypaul
Very hard to accept that as you grow older and see the misery that exists.
Because we were given a choice of how to behave. Nothing is meant to be easy, why should it be?[/i]

The hundreds of thousands of babies born in Africa each year only to suffer a slow painful death from malnutrition hardly chose that.

of course there is scientific proof of god.
thermodynamics rule number 1=nothing creates nothing
rule number 2=energy can not be created or destroyed.
so I ask,where did the energy of the universe come from it had to be there before the big bang even if it was in a dot the size of a pea,and it had to come from something.

brassneck........3 yachts and a religious expert

hI CARDIFFFC,how are you my good man,? I did not make the Thermodynamics rules.If the rules do not work they would have to chuck all the science books in the waste paper basket.The God I speak of is a God of nature,a type of Spinoza God,not the biblical God but a GOD no the less.Even Spinoza himself and the great man Albert Einstein would agree with me if they were alive today.
So its my guess that anyone who does not believe in God has not looked hard enough for him.the amazing thing about it is that he is all around you.

So where did God come from?

brass.........how did your footie get on today.......were then any odds on away from home??.......I like the idea.....whats the most winners you have layed on the trot.......I like your staking plan as well

einstein would be a non believer if he was alive today ..that's for sure

I have two guys who get the coupons (midweek and week end)I give them 300 each per week to lay odds on away teams only and have showed them my staking plan starting at 20 quid.i never look at the results,last year one account showed 22 grand profit and the other showed 20 grand .they both got payed there 300 each per week out of each account account so the 42 grand was net profit but the only get paid during (august to may)and they are not allowed do any other bets for me.they play my system for me and im happy and they are happy.

Have faith or have some faith or have no faith...just be a decent human being...but what does that mean???

seems reasonable - Cardifffc, did I hurt your feelings.

who created God?
why does evil exist - or why does suffering and corruption exist?
Is there scientific proof of God?
famous scientists that believed in God? were they mentally ill?
Sad men in life without knowledge of God.
The bible.

Answers
God is eternal and perfect - nobody created him. He is spirit(jesus said this) he is not physical. He speaks and matter comes into being. He is a higher dimensional being. He created time and the physical universe which all exists within four dimensions.

As part of true freedom, the choice of evil exists. To teach mankind why evil is not a valid choice, the knowledge of good and evil was placed in the garden. Corruption was introduced into creation. The creation is now cursed with death and pain. To redeem those that are within this life, God gave us Jesus and the holy spirit. The Jews are the proxy people. the middlemen that God speaks thru. They tried for thousands of years to be good by the law. They offered animal sacrifices. They had weird cleansing rituals to take away their sins. All of this was short lived. Because men sin again and again. So God stepped in as it was his plan from the start (the word was with God) No action by man can redeem him. But God's Action can. 
Jesus stepped in after 4000 years to save by GRACE - law became the inferior method.
By claiming Christ as your savior your sins past and future are on him. He took all of the sins of the world with him to the cross and hell. For three days he was in hell.
Then God returned and ascended to prepare a place for those that would believe and be saved. He left the holy spirit with his followers and the holy spirit can be anyone's helper if he is invited in.

Science - Matter from Nothing? Is that scientific.
The Goldilock proposition - if one factor of hundreds of constants are out - we don't exist.
Yet the constants are shifting all the time? this has been recognized by scientists.
Life needs life to exist - all life feeds off other life? We need plants. Plants need microbes. Microbes feed off other life. So for life to start to exist - it needs food.

Ernst Boris Chain (nobel Prize winner) debated Darwinists in his later years. Co worker and friend to Florey who created antibiotics.
As concerning creation, he said, “Apes, after all, unlike man, have not produced great prophets, philosophers, mathematicians, writers, poets, composers, painters and scientists.  They are not inspired by the divine spark which manifests itself so evidently in the spiritual creation of man and which differentiates man from animals.”

Louise Pasteur wrote many times about Darwinism being twaddle.

The three top physicists voted by global poll - all believed in a God.
Sir Isaac newton - wrote over a million words about the bible, he did some science in his spare time. These writing are now made available for the first time by Cambridge and other prestigious universities.(all mentally ill?)
http://www.newtonproject.ox.ac.uk/texts/newtons-works/religious
James Clerk Maxwell - possibly greater than Einstein, created a lot of the language of physics. Albert Einstein said without him he would have came up with nothing.
Devout christian.
Albert Einstein - mentions God a lot. Many quotes can be found. Although not a christian.

Sad sacks that don't believe in God. All they see is the material world. They deny the soul. They deny God any credit for his creation. They think they know stuff? but the scientists are always saying themselves the more they learn the more they realize they are just opening doors to new mysteries. They say they are related to Apes? but are always trying to impress their fellow men with what they know. Clever apes. They never will get off the mudball called earth. They'll just degrade it more with plastic and radiation.
Money is their God. "they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing"
they deny that emotions exist. That it's a chemical process. Their souls are ignored and wither. Their self imposed blindness is intentional. They cannot surrender to God. Because God is superior to them in every aspect. They cannot accept there is a higher authority.
They refuse that there will be a judgement put upon them. Yet they are judged by man all thru their lives. It's just God that angers them. They don't accept being tested. But accept scientific testing as good. Sad sacks.

oops the bible, the stumbling block
Here is a book that is 3000 years old. The old testament and the new. Sad sacks pick it up and read the words without the holy spirit and see the surface meaning. They don't understand it's encrypted. The book has weird number construction within it. Which cannot be explained. Please remember this book is thousands of years old, yet it still is regarded by many to be the most complex book in history.
It has Pattern, repeating concepts. It uses Paradox, something not used in literature until the 18th century. Idiots compare it to books written in this century? what book is it's match. Name one you sad sacks.
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it" (Matthew 13:10-17).

Finally God gave us 6000 years to choose. Do you love God or Hate him. All you sad sacks know God exists but you argue your petty trivial disputes out in forums with him. As if your opinion on the universe was pertinent. God created the universe to refine his creation. To drop the slag on the floor to create fine gold. Sad sacks don't make it into heaven because they don't love God, just themselves.

My thoughts on Religion follow those of the great Catholic Scholar ,DAVE ALLEN .

back to flippant commentary?

I'll take my chances mate.

eternity is how long? more than five years..

I start to read zorro said accounts but straight away the logic puts me away.
Jesus apparently said God isn't physical he's a spirit....yet clearly he's male and apparently created man in his own image, so that sounds a bit like willow the whisp.
Never starts well for me cos the father the son and the Holy Ghost and Jesus being the Lord to whom they pray rather than God himself all gets very confusing.....like they made it all up.

no mate - they made you up.

who created god?.................MAN (NAP)

I already answered this below Sad sack - learn to read young man, learn to read.

God created god, then God created god - it's called infinite regression - That's not God God is not finite. Eventually you realize something has to be eternal. God is not a created being. He is before TIME. God created time. The mind before matter. Spirit is pure thought, in higher dimensions.

If i ask you to make something like a cardboard box for a parcel on ebay? what do you do? you first think about it? you can sit and do nothing and therefore the box is never going to exist? or you might sit down and plan on paper what you need to do. or jump in and start to cut the card you got from a stationary store. the box is built and if you have paid attention it might be a sturdy box.

the thought is the parent to creation.

if you have the devil in you - you circumvent creation and steal a ready made box.

here is a link to a video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5lY0TcdAw

Is box thievery now a sin against God too?

Zorro excelling himself this morning. One thread is not enough!

Is anyone actually reading Zorro's posts ?

(on religion)

I quite like zorro, hes clearly invested in the theme and gets his jollies from it which isnt the worst thing in the world.

I wonder what his world is like interpreting every little thing as a sign or influence.
Its very nuanced and rather archiac, hes already found god whether its real or not doesnt really matter.

I'll read the short ones but that one at 4.38, no chance .

Poor chap must be suffering from insomnia.

Bi-polar (nap) .......I like his medicine/healthy foods/save the planet and nature themed musings.

Reminds me of a young sideshowbob.

or....older....oc

who created the creator ?

I bet I'm the first person to ask that

Sideshowbob suffered from haemorrhoids.

I don't think anyone's thought of that before, SH.

i'm always striving to be original, keeps chit chatters on their toes

We could do with some originality on these religious threads.

dark matter 26 percent of the universe.
dark energy 70 percent of the universe.
that's 96 percent of the universe that's missing fellas.

4 percent is all you guys are basing your lives on in science.

you can't see gravity but trust it's there?
you breath in all day, stuff you cannot see?

you ignore beauty and emotions - calling them synaptic firings and chemical reactions.

you collect songs, music, knowledge to feed a brain that will die. why? you are an animal. animals don't compose sonnets.

you forget miracles and wonders and focus on your belly button fluff.

sad sacks.

so you own dark matter now too?
Dont recall the bible covering it.....

zorro that is like saying if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it....does it make a noise?

you don't have to see or hear things to know they exist

But science has proved Oxygen exist, they even knew it's chemical properties

Some religious people may be mentally ill.  Absolutely, yes.  Especially those with weak constitutions and believe all they hear.

Others may be ill through reading all they read.

I am a Christian chap and feel the Holy Spirit in my life regularly.

I get gassed from time to time, which I shouldn't really, but have my reasons.

All you guys dissing Jesus Christ should take a few moments to invite Him into your life sometime you have some time to yourself and are seeking a deeper meaning to life.

Sure, **** happens - such as African children being born into a life of poverty / slavery etc.

satan (with a small "s") was sent to rule Earth many moons ago.  he's doing a fine job ... but his time for damnation will come ... and it's getting less.

^imo

^ About as much sense as that which Daesh(Isis) comes up with.

be honest - you don't have a clue

Religion is just people trying to control other people.

any of you!!!

Like that Smythe cane lover.

some are promising soccerball players

others are Straight A students

so this religion thing can't be all bad   -  CAN IT????

"The Scriptures tell us that God not only created the universe, but that He sustains it.  That is, God did not “wind it up and let it go.”  Rather, He oversees its ongoing operation just as He oversaw its original creation.  Who builds something and does not maintain it?"
Hebrews 1:1, 2, 3  –  “…and upholds all things by the word of His power…”

so maybe the missing 96 percent is God in action.

an atom is all empty space - The diameter of a hydrogen atom is roughly 100,000 times larger than a proton. yet you think all your stuff is solid? it's just electro magnetic. it's what stops your arris falling thru your seat when you sit.

http://keithcom.com/atoms/scale.php

Is that you Stephen ?

H

so a bunch of MEN wrote down a load of words conjured up out of superstition and ignorance and that proves it all

excellent stuff  - well done.

leopard - Religion is just people trying to control other people.

what's politics?
want to join the army?
Your job? do you do what the boss says?
the police, lawyers, traffic wardens.
do you recycle properly, we can check you know?
Satellites are watching you.

I agree religion does that. But Jesus did not come to form a religion. That's a bustardization of his teachings. He tells us we are Kings and priests. We are the authority. No middle men needed. So the guy in the suit or the clown costume is not needed. They might occasionally have a good insight but it's about the book and you.
you read the bible and the bible reads you.

an atom is all empty space - The diameter of a hydrogen atom is roughly 100,000 times larger than a proton. yet you think all your stuff is solid? it's just electro magnetic. it's what stops your arris falling thru your seat when you sit.


I like this zorro and i often like to use it in deep conversation after a rum or two.

It is a fact that science has discovered and is discovering further that the universe is of hologram form and there are no solids as you point out.

Never the less, stargazers from the iron age knew feck all of this. The bible is talks nothing of this. The iron age version of God is far removed from the scientific version of events.

What annoys me is when for some reason i put a word into a sentence that has no reason to be there.

*The bible talks nothing of this

Let's invent an idea.  Then use it to control people.  Very clever idea to keep the proles in line.

what's politics?
want to join the army?
Your job? do you do what the boss says?
the police, lawyers, traffic wardens.
do you recycle properly, we can check you know?
Satellites are watching you.

Correct.
All man influenced based on desire. Just as God was likely his creation....just not a very good one so as to required euphemism and metaphor to encompass the meaning of everything.

Every man builds his world in his own image. He has the power to choose, but no power to escape the necessity of choice. Ayn Rand

Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. Ayn Rand


every corrupt man loves Ayn Rand.

Well, which fookin god should I be following then??

The mussie one, or the christian one, or buddist one (well they've got fookin 8, I'm told), or shinto ... wiki says they've got 8 million!! 8 million FFS.

Nah, I'll just not bother and see what happens.

No one has spoken to God, anyone who claims they have is either a liar or mentally ill.

Judaism and Hinduism are the oldest.

this is the year 5,777 on the jewish calendar - i'm tired of writing this.


hebrew calendar -
https://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2017&v=1&month=x&yt=G&nx=on&o=on&vis=on&...

Zenmaster - you are an idiot - almost everyone has spoken to God. It's whether God answers them.. that's the sticking point.

clearly choosy then eh zorro
but clearly thats the fault of the fallible creation and not the maker.

So what say you about the fact the secular saved the jews and artificially placed them back where they wanted to live?

Zorro, can you speak to me if i am not on the forum?

By the way ZENMASTER - I passed the message you left to the Queen and the rozza's are coming round to kneecap you. You might be aware the Queen mentioned God a lot in the Christmas message. She said - after the gang kneecaps the zenmaster spray paint his aarse red and lead him out to a field and let the bulls 'ave 'im. Nonce.

Those were her actual words. God won't be my judge on that, as I took the free pardon. you sad sacks.

My vocation is innovation zorro, I saw you mention once you were a graphic designer, well I am/was one of 'things'.
Industrial designer originally, and no matter how good you are the vast majority of stuff fails, the thought each of those failures is the fault of the product and not the creator sounds smashing...if fanciful.

People who claim to have spoken to God are mentally ill.

Zorro claims, almost everyone has spoken to God.

Can he elaborate on the few who have not spoken to God?

Gee Dustybin, did they really do that?

On August 29, 1897, the First Zionist Congress opened in Basel, Switzerland, a three-day conclave at which the movement that led to the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine a mere half-century later took its first organizational steps.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/.premium-1.739074

120 years

I know that Zorro believe God will forgive nonces, murderers and jockey's who consistently struggle to find a gap if they become born again/.

All is forgiven if you join the cult........you are forgiven for chopping up that family. God loves you.


Amen.

did you stub yer big toe and scream JESUS.

I often speak to god.

I lay horses and sometimes they win.  I ask god why, but he never gets back to me.

I also occasionally ask him for the winning lottery numbers, but he never answers.

But then again they say he works in mysterious ways.

But surely it's only polite to get back to me, even to say he doesn't know.  Seems a waste of time to me.

God forgave Paul for killing Christians.
He forgave the man next to him on the cross.
He forgives those with sincere regrets.
As God he can judge Genuine contrition.

Unlike man made justice which condemns the innocent with the guilty.

100 percent right - all of the time - guaranteed. sadsacks.

zorro
had it not been for the efforts of those who had no belief in god helping those that did in opposition of Nazism they would likely be no jews to house....illegally in Palestinian land

What you need MEMEME is a djinn, sometimes called a genie. You speak your wish list out loud for the universe to make it so. But the price is a small thing called a soul.
God isn't going to answer a selfish request. Did you pray for the blind girl to win the lottery? Did ye FK.

did you stub yer big toe and scream JESUS.


No, i tend to shout ' Derek Hatton is a ****' when in pain

whereas ethereal godly judgment judges those who were guilty of being born

Zen ... What you need MEMEME is a djinn, sometimes called a genie

I did suggest to Mrs mememe that we got an au pair now that the kids had grown up and left home, as we had a spare room.  But she said I had to make my own dinner when she went out.

But I like the idea of a djinn.  Where do they come from?  Are they nubile?

But they exist in the land. and the shofar will sound. Jesus will return and kick your moldy butts into the next millennium. you guys will be lining up to take an oath and a mark. before the creatures start to sting you. All evil will be scraped off the land and God's people will be left to eat some cake and discuss the extinct sad sacks.

a typical conversation might be like this -
Do you remember the sad sacks that lived a few centuries ago... They were so convinced that science had all the answers.. remember the steam train or was it the electric car... how funny were the sad sacks. I was thinking of asking Jesus if we could go to mars for a look see just for a few minutes. Do you think he'll be okay with that?

Do we have any medics on the forum ... Zorro might need some help.

They exist because they were saved from destruction, in many ways by the very people the pious have then maligned.
In every land there was somebody there before them, and that includes Jerusalem.
The jews wernt the first there they just chose it to fit their own agenda.

Reading what you write zorro is akin to reading proverb minus any fact.

Dustybin - accept the free pardon and you are not guilty of anything.
Jesus took the sins of the world, past and future.
only pride stops you accepting a free gift.

there are no scales of justice. no tally of sins. Jesus took all sins upon the cross and paid for them.

quite a concept for a two thousand year old messiah. God as Servant to mankind. washing feet out of necessity. loving man enough to take all that pain and endure ridicule from sad sacks who think he was gaming them.

well the game is ending - the shofar blast will come and all the ants will run underground to hide from God.

Dusty ...

Reading what you write zorro is akin to reading proverb minus any fact

I think you're being exceedingly charitable.

what a load of row lock - no one forgave anyone for anything - it is all propaganda

aww - your life sucks.