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Torquemada
05 Feb 17 01:22
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FFS! What pathetic excuses for men. Grow a pair, buttercups, it was fecking cringeworthy to see such a shower.
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Report Torquemada February 5, 2017 1:25 AM GMT
Do they put something in the water down there to turn blokes into pathetic wimps?
Report Howdi February 5, 2017 2:00 AM GMT
lets hope Donald continues the cull to include lefties and half wits - that will get shot of abother 50 percent
Report Torquemada February 5, 2017 2:11 AM GMT
Can you imagine if the country ever had to rely on these buttercups in a war!  Our grandparents and great-grandparent's generation must look at these jokers and think WTF happened!
Report Torquemada February 5, 2017 2:13 AM GMT
I AM SCARED FFS! Those blokes must have no self esteem or sense of shame whatsoever. Makes me sick just to think about 'em.
Report s.kenbo February 5, 2017 8:02 AM GMT
They're dyslexic. It was supposed to say I AM SACRED!
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 11:46 AM GMT
lets hope Donald continues the cull to include lefties and half wits - that will get shot of abother 50 percent
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 11:46 AM GMT
Can you imagine if the country ever had to rely on these buttercups in a war!  Our grandparents and great-grandparent's generation must look at these jokers and
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 11:48 AM GMT
can you imagine somebody culling people and then invoking our grandfathers in
defence of such nazism

get a grip
Report lfc1971 February 5, 2017 11:50 AM GMT
some if our grandfathers were Nazis.
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 11:51 AM GMT
thread going badly send in lfc .....
Report lfc1971 February 5, 2017 11:52 AM GMT
most people then were
Report lfc1971 February 5, 2017 12:07 PM GMT
is that so terrible ?
Report lfc1971 February 5, 2017 12:12 PM GMT
perhaps now we can watch freedom dying, if we open our eyes.
Report rogerthebutler February 5, 2017 1:31 PM GMT
I've Googled / Google Imaged and Google newsed this item (and several of its derivatives) and can find no mention of what the OP is talking about.

Tell me more?
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 7:44 PM GMT
Are you lot seriously working some kind of agenda, thread after thread, post after post - on threads with no other connection - about; muzzies, BBC, religion of peace, lefties, Trump, other bullplopp pseudo right-wing idiocy.
You DO realise that those you seek to obey/idolise/copy/preach from, won't ever thank you for it, don't you?

This happened a few years ago with all the BNP crape, and just a few posters using the forum to spread the message.

I mean FFS, you're either preaching to other idiots or being ignored and very occasionally contradicted by others who are probably as fed up with it as I am.

(Why bother asking, roger?)
Report mad mad moon February 5, 2017 7:54 PM GMT
Anyway, I would be scared in London.
It's been a miracle that we haven't had an incident since 2005, and it's only a matter of time
that someone with an AK47 shouts Allah Akbar.Shocked
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 7:55 PM GMT
how many murders in london since 2005 ?
Report itcanbedone February 5, 2017 7:59 PM GMT
Well said, Study, this relentless propogandist trolling of Chit Chit will be the death of what was once a happy go lucky, flippant, diverse, pun ridden, spaffing on chebbs emporium. 

A handful seem to delight in reducing it to Echo Chamber.
Report mad mad moon February 5, 2017 8:00 PM GMT
Loads probably but 90-95pc would be domestic or gang on gang related.
Very few innocent bystanders are murdered.
Report Des Pond February 5, 2017 8:09 PM GMT
I get scared every time I drive my car, seeing the way that too many people drive nowadays, and thank my lucky stars each time I arrive home without incident.
Report akabula February 5, 2017 8:19 PM GMT
Surely that's an irrelevant point without scale?
Report Shrewd_dude February 5, 2017 8:26 PM GMT

fwiw
In the US and Canada (probably here too), MOST - by a long way, shootings and mass murder attacks are carried out by white Christian males.


Source? I would be very surprised if most murders were carried out by whites in America. Mass murder yes but murders I'd be surprised.
Report mad mad moon February 5, 2017 8:31 PM GMT
Can only think of Hungerford and Dunblane in the last 30 years. We are lucky compared to America,
We have the much maligned police and spooks to thank for that.
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 8:36 PM GMT
Why is it irrelevant? what scale?
This is (yet another) thread started by someone with the now standard stance regularly seen on here.

I said Mass murders.

It's right, if you want to look it up if you don't believe me.
It's a matter of fact and I don't care whether you believe it or not. Though I suspect, as you don't like it as a fact, you'll choose not to.
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 8:37 PM GMT
we also don't have readily available guns, mmm.
Report Shrewd_dude February 5, 2017 8:39 PM GMT
I said Mass murders.


No you never you said shootings and mass murders.
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 8:41 PM GMT
over 1,500,000 gun deaths in usa since bob kennedy was shot

no gun control

make america safe
Report akabula February 5, 2017 8:42 PM GMT
Firstly you said shootings and mass murders.
Secondly scale in that if that group makes up 90% of the whole you'd expect them to be responsible for 90% of the shootings. Are they?
Thirdly you say fact without supplying any numbers or links.
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 8:43 PM GMT
I think you get my drift.
I did say mass murders - I would imagine these are nearly all shootings, though I'll concede there is an occasional bombing.

The stuff that makes the news, the stuff which claims the most victims.
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 8:43 PM GMT
3% of americans are in jail, on parole or under probation supervision
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 8:44 PM GMT
22% of the worlds prisoners are in usa jails
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 8:48 PM GMT
I don't understand the 'secondly' and I can't be arsed to look it up, but like many things I know, I didn't make it up.

Here is one link, feel free to find your own.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/27/us/mass-shootings/
Report breadnbutter February 5, 2017 8:50 PM GMT
CNN Laugh
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 8:51 PM GMT
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shoot...
Report Shrewd_dude February 5, 2017 8:52 PM GMT
Just to clarify are we talking about shootings, mass murders or shooting mass murders now?
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 8:53 PM GMT
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-muslim-immigrants-haven-involv...
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 8:53 PM GMT
Does it matter?
Report akabula February 5, 2017 8:53 PM GMT
The 'secondly' was the most relevant to what you are saying.
I'm not saying you are right or wrong but without that info we'll never know.
Another point will be timescales. ie this will probably change the data the more recent the info taken.
Report Shrewd_dude February 5, 2017 8:54 PM GMT
Does it matter?

Obviously.
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 8:58 PM GMT
The facts are there, whatever the source.

They may not suit the agenda, or the Trump love-in.
People have a right to be scared.

And as I have just shown a little sample of, not necessarily of muslims or foreigners.

The biggest worry is sad, lonely men sitting all day on the computer in their rat-holes, whipping themselves into a frenzy (without the use of porn).

Many posters on here are more worrying than the stuff they keep harping on about.
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 9:00 PM GMT
everything you wish to know is on here

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

its been updated for 5 feb ....
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 9:02 PM GMT
62 children 11 or under killed or injured in 2017

make america safe
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 9:02 PM GMT
299 aged 12-17 killed or injured in 2017
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 9:03 PM GMT
mass shootings in 2017 ....30
Report Shrewd_dude February 5, 2017 9:10 PM GMT
Just to clarify are we talking about shootings, mass murders or shooting mass murders now?

Hello anyone there?
Report akabula February 5, 2017 9:15 PM GMT
STUDYFORM
The facts are there, whatever the source.
They may not suit the agenda, or the Trump love-in.
People have a right to be scared.


Study you are aware that Obama identified these 7 countries as the biggest dangers to the USA.
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 9:15 PM GMT
we ?
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 9:17 PM GMT
You could take "shootings and mass murders" my original phrase, as a general term and stop the pedantry and using your responses as deflection.
You could also show me where I'm wrong.

Source?
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 9:18 PM GMT
Akabula - How is that relevant?
Report akabula February 5, 2017 9:19 PM GMT
Do you mean as a general term for emm Shootings and Mass Murders?
That clears it up.
Report Shrewd_dude February 5, 2017 9:20 PM GMT
Well shootings would include any person who has been shot and mass murders would include 9/11 so if you think that it's pedantry then you really are clueless. Given your link you posted it seems you may be talking about mass murders by shooting but it would be helpful if you could at least clarify. I'm doing you a favour as well to try and not make you look like more of a muppet than your already do.
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 9:21 PM GMT
Incidentally, Obama was warning US citizens about VISITING the 7 countries, given the general anti-US sentiment in them.
NOT stopping them from travelling.

Like it would make any fecking difference to anything anyway.

It's all a sop for the red neck to hoot and holler about and for some reason this seems to exteNd to this country and this forum, ad nauseum.
Report donny osmond February 5, 2017 9:21 PM GMT
we just need lfc to clear it up for akabula

he has no idea if it is true, or relevant, but he saw it
and likes to repeat it
Report akabula February 5, 2017 9:23 PM GMT
It was the basis for your post surely?
You call it a 'love-in for trump, why?
I admire his actions and wish this country would be as quick to react to a possible threat.
Remember it's not a whole scale ban but a temporary measure.
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 9:27 PM GMT
9/11 was ONE event. It may well have been the most devastating, but I am talking about the numbers of murderous crimes (killing many people in an event).

Count the events. You can include non-shootings if you like - if you can find any.... well, there was the Oklahoma bombing.


The 9/11 bombers were Saudis, not on the baznned list. Trump has business interests there. So the ban - not that it would have worked, wouldn't have worked then either.
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 9:39 PM GMT
The basis for my post was 2-fold, akabula.

First it is a part of the 'love-in' for Trump, so apparent on here.
Second, it responds to the ridiculous opening post, and several of the subsequent ones.

I admire his actions and wish this country would be as quick to react to a possible threat.
Proves my point.
WHAT possible threat? The one politicians keep going on about, to keep themselves in a job?
As I have demonstrated, most threat is from within.
And now from Trump.
Choosing to not believe this doesn't stop it being a fear for those who do.
Report akabula February 5, 2017 9:53 PM GMT
Where to start Study Laugh

Don't confuse taking the p1ss out of the lefties with a love for Trump.
And as regards dismissing a threat that would be laughable if it wasn't a serious matter.
BTW how does it keep politicians in a job? You saying if their was no threat some of them would be out of a job?
Report STUDYFORM February 5, 2017 10:05 PM GMT
Politicians.... Divide and rule. It was benefits claimants a few years ago, now it's immigrants. They create the threat, or at least make it seem worse than it is.
Gather the masses together with a reason to be as one, you get the votes. It's nothing new.

Both Brexit and Trump's campaign were based on fear of/blaming all ills on; immigrants and foreigners.
Even if it wasn't more than a few per cent of people who were swayed (and if you think people weren't influenced in this way, you're wrong), the outcome of the elections would have been different.

I'm not dismissing any threat, I'm merely saying that the bigger threat is already here. That most mass murders (Usually shootings) are carried out by indigenous perpetrators.
Report akabula February 5, 2017 10:29 PM GMT
How is it keeping them in a job, you haven't answered that?
Report saddo February 5, 2017 10:48 PM GMT
The Islamification of Europe is a threat, choosing to not believe this doesn't stop it being a fear for those who do.
Report zorrostrikes February 5, 2017 11:13 PM GMT
Are they scared of the western diet?
Report not allowed to bet February 5, 2017 11:21 PM GMT
We are going to get half of the new housing stock
Guess who gets the other half?
Report Coachbuster February 6, 2017 3:18 PM GMT
The biggest worry is sad, lonely men sitting all day on the computer in their rat-holes, whipping themselves into a frenzy (without the use of porn).
__________________

ha ha -   i think you've hit the nail Studyform - it's what happens to them when their   testosterone levels go down Laugh  - not looking forward to that day  Cry
Report CLYDEBANK29 February 6, 2017 4:07 PM GMT
We don't have guns and we don't have anywhere near the same level of inequality or self righteousness.

fwiw
In the US and Canada (probably here too), MOST - by a long way, shootings and mass murder attacks are carried out by white Christian males.

wrong ....

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
Report CLYDEBANK29 February 6, 2017 4:14 PM GMT
Mostly its Black or African America, Hispanic or Latino
Report CLYDEBANK29 February 6, 2017 4:15 PM GMT
Anyone who watches The First 48 would quickly conclude that without the need for FBI stats
Report jamesdean February 6, 2017 4:19 PM GMT
"Many posters on here are more worrying than the stuff they keep harping on about."



Laugh
Report CLYDEBANK29 February 6, 2017 4:39 PM GMT
The only time I've had a post removed that I can recall was on a Ched Evans thread.  I had no idea you posted that or the context in which is was posted.  I just saw the quote, thought it was misleading and tried to put some factual content on it.  I've always appreciated the time and effort you spent on the forum competitions and think you are one of the good guys.
Report STUDYFORM February 6, 2017 4:53 PM GMT
Thanks clyde, I am Wink

Not just this thread, where one post has disappeared, but also the Andrew Neil thread, where my 1st post has been removed.
Also, a few posts on other threads in the last week or so.
Report donny osmond February 6, 2017 5:04 PM GMT
dont let the bigots annoy you study

betfair banned a few folk and "their friends" were posting on here what
they were saying on some other forum

seems as if the highlight of their day is sitting reporting posts
on here in an attemt to get others banned

i suppose it takes all sorts
Report STUDYFORM February 6, 2017 8:45 PM GMT
Even my post saying my posts are being removed has been removed.
Whoever is doing this really needs to do something better with what is obviously a waste of a life.
Report donny osmond February 6, 2017 9:33 PM GMT
its odd they remove posts that are harmless

yet leave posts on politics forum about a libel case where
a betfair poster agrees with the loser in libel case

as the going rate today was £160k plus costs

you would think the mods would have better things to do
Report STUDYFORM February 6, 2017 9:53 PM GMT
It's a kind of trolling, really.
It's definitely members of the massed farage/trump/brexit/leftie inventing and bashing/anti BBC, pseudo right wing crowd who seem so prevalent here.

I don't know why they can't just bugger off to the politics forum. I'm guessing, as I said before and, in the same way the BNP operated, they are asked to infiltrate forums to spread the word.

Actually, when you think about it it's rather sad.
Also it is not good of Betfair or Paddy Power to allow the forums (a vitsl part of the site) to be manipulated like this, nor to take notice of the 'reporters' and ban the good guys!!!
Report Torquemada February 6, 2017 10:30 PM GMT
I think Betfair and PP should take a firmer stance in discouraging the buttercups from infiltrating the site. Men who walk around town with I AM SCARED signs around their necks are not likely to be valuable punters on a gambling platform. They should be encouraging normal blokes who like a swig and a bet, not a load of hand wringing petals who are afraid of their own shadows.
Report saddo February 6, 2017 10:32 PM GMT
Smug and smugger trying to poke the mods into action against inferior folk.   Laugh
Report Torquemada February 7, 2017 10:05 AM GMT
Ah, yes, Jurgen Whosyourdaddyz. He was a great player. Thanks very much.
Report STUDYFORM February 7, 2017 7:22 PM GMT
I don't know what you're talking about..... See what I mean?
Report Torquemada February 7, 2017 7:49 PM GMT
I'm as peeved about your above posts being removed as you are Studyform. Even though they were abusive and in clear contravention of forum rules, they both showed you up as a right precious fool who has hissy fits at the drop of a hat, so I'd rather they had stayed put for all to see.
Report Torquemada February 7, 2017 7:56 PM GMT
For those that missed them, Studyform called me the C word in two separate posts - one in anagram form and one referencing a retired German footballer. Both times he did so after falling back on the usual defence of a beaten man by prefacing it with something like "I can't be bothered to debate with you anymore, you're a blankety blank etc etc" A common tactic of the lefties on here - lose an argument, have a hissy fit, post something that crosses the line, post removed.
Report casemoney February 7, 2017 8:39 PM GMT
Shyte urself n London to go More than 20 mph(cameras)  ,and parking is daylight Robbery
Report casemoney February 7, 2017 8:40 PM GMT
Never Mind the Old Yellow Grid Boxes  ,the Greatest form of Money Box in History Laugh
Report STUDYFORM February 7, 2017 11:29 PM GMT
Be fair. One was a K.
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