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The Old Testament advised against it.
Are they Christians in disguise?
No, THEY ARE NOT.
Are they Christians in disguise?
No, THEY ARE NOT.
Burning hairs on your arm smells like bacon ... maybe that's their gripe.
So, no people eating. That's good 
Unless you live in Uganda .............................
Unless you live in Uganda .............................
Muhammad stole the old testament, changed what Jesus did? Jesus never died? remember that the new testament was around 500 years at the time he was telling his followers what Jesus really did?
The old testament has a lot of rules what not to eat, a lot is because some foods in heat quickly go ff and get contaminated by parasites. Pork is a notorious food which even today is tricky. Always wash your hands thoroughly frying up bacon.
Muhammad even took Pegasus and renamed him Buraq. He took stories from a lot of sources.
What really gets me is he never sets foot in Jerusalem. But he has a dream? (this is a dubious account) a dream where he visits Jerusalem on Buraq and ascends to heaven from there?
Because of this dream Jews are denied the Temple Mount Their primary religious site.
This seems like sour grapes from the Muslims to stymie the Jews. A poisoning of the waters.
"they traveled to the "farthest mosque". The location of this mosque was not explicitly stated but is generally accepted to mean Al-Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) in Jerusalem even though the Al-Asqa Mosque did not exist during Muhammad's lifetime, as he died in 632 and the Mosque was not constructed until 691 AD" wiki
the Rashidun Caliphate
The Muslim Arab army attacked Jerusalem, held by the Byzantine Romans, in November, 636. For four months the siege continued. Ultimately, the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, agreed to surrender Jerusalem to Caliph Umar in person. Caliph Umar, then at Medina, agreed to these terms and traveled to Jerusalem to sign the capitulation in the spring of 637. Sophronius also negotiated a pact with Caliph Umar, known as the Umariyya Covenant or Covenant of Omar, allowing for religious freedom for Christians in exchange for jizya, a tax to be paid by conquered non-Muslims, called "dhimmis." Under Muslim Rule, the Christian and Jewish population of Jerusalem in this period enjoyed the usual tolerance given to non-Muslim theists.[3] [4]
The old testament has a lot of rules what not to eat, a lot is because some foods in heat quickly go ff and get contaminated by parasites. Pork is a notorious food which even today is tricky. Always wash your hands thoroughly frying up bacon.
Muhammad even took Pegasus and renamed him Buraq. He took stories from a lot of sources.
What really gets me is he never sets foot in Jerusalem. But he has a dream? (this is a dubious account) a dream where he visits Jerusalem on Buraq and ascends to heaven from there?
Because of this dream Jews are denied the Temple Mount Their primary religious site.
This seems like sour grapes from the Muslims to stymie the Jews. A poisoning of the waters.
"they traveled to the "farthest mosque". The location of this mosque was not explicitly stated but is generally accepted to mean Al-Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) in Jerusalem even though the Al-Asqa Mosque did not exist during Muhammad's lifetime, as he died in 632 and the Mosque was not constructed until 691 AD" wiki
the Rashidun Caliphate
The Muslim Arab army attacked Jerusalem, held by the Byzantine Romans, in November, 636. For four months the siege continued. Ultimately, the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, agreed to surrender Jerusalem to Caliph Umar in person. Caliph Umar, then at Medina, agreed to these terms and traveled to Jerusalem to sign the capitulation in the spring of 637. Sophronius also negotiated a pact with Caliph Umar, known as the Umariyya Covenant or Covenant of Omar, allowing for religious freedom for Christians in exchange for jizya, a tax to be paid by conquered non-Muslims, called "dhimmis." Under Muslim Rule, the Christian and Jewish population of Jerusalem in this period enjoyed the usual tolerance given to non-Muslim theists.[3] [4]
I had a few friends from Iran at University in Nuremberg a few year back and they had no trouble eating pig. And drinking. I remember I asked one girl about it but i dont remember her answer(I can only recall her lovely smile when i asked her that question). One reason why it could be so hated is because it is, as per my knowledge, explicitly mentioned in the Koran. Any meat on whose slaughter Allah's name is not taken is haram, but then there is pig. That is why you see many people who were born in Europe, that they will eat at a mcdonalds that is not halal, but they wont eat the McRib, because its pork.
Similarly it says anything that makes you drunk, or lose control of yourself, is not allowed. But then it explicitly mentions alcohol, which is why you see people doing drugs, weed, ciggerets but wont even touch alcohol. THis is what i understand at least.
Similarly it says anything that makes you drunk, or lose control of yourself, is not allowed. But then it explicitly mentions alcohol, which is why you see people doing drugs, weed, ciggerets but wont even touch alcohol. THis is what i understand at least.
@zorrorstrikes
The site definitely existed at Muhammad's time. That was where they faced during prayers for a few years, before they changed it to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The farthest mosque was 'one' of the mosques at Temple Mount. There are 4 i guess inside the walled boundary. The ones that existed before the construction of Al-Aqsa mosque do not exist as independant mosques now as they serve the Al-Aqsa mosque(school, library, office/residence of imam etc).
It makes sense that the muslims considered it their holy mosque because it was under christian control at that time and Muhammad claimed to be a prophet of the same God that the christians believed in, and prayed to. So unless Muhammad built a new mosque to celebrate his prophethood, it was understandable that his followers faced the same mosque while praying that the christians faced?
The site definitely existed at Muhammad's time. That was where they faced during prayers for a few years, before they changed it to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The farthest mosque was 'one' of the mosques at Temple Mount. There are 4 i guess inside the walled boundary. The ones that existed before the construction of Al-Aqsa mosque do not exist as independant mosques now as they serve the Al-Aqsa mosque(school, library, office/residence of imam etc).
It makes sense that the muslims considered it their holy mosque because it was under christian control at that time and Muhammad claimed to be a prophet of the same God that the christians believed in, and prayed to. So unless Muhammad built a new mosque to celebrate his prophethood, it was understandable that his followers faced the same mosque while praying that the christians faced?
Because the pigs keep catching and arresting them.
So Zorro, you say that much of what Muhammed done and said was attributed to stymied waters? Yet you take your own book verbatim when it was written many years after your leaders death?
Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.
So Zorro, you say that much of what Muhammed done and said was attributed to stymied waters? Yet you take your own book verbatim when it was written many years after your leaders death?
Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.
shouldn't it read ...
why is it islam eats pig?
But they don't.
Nutters
why is it islam eats pig?
But they don't.
Nutters
Pigs and foreskins are health risks in dry/desert climates when there are a lack of hygiene protocols.
Unsurprisingly these sensible customs became enshrined in the dominant social system these societies subscribed to, namely religion.
Unsurprisingly these sensible customs became enshrined in the dominant social system these societies subscribed to, namely religion.
You dont have to eat something for it to be a health risk.
Pigs are beautiful creatures, have great personalities. My parents used to keep nearly 100 in wood near there house, watching them being born and then growing into massive things was a joy. Real shame they gave it up.
Feb 5, 2017 -- 10:47AM, DStyle wrote:
Pigs and foreskins are health risks in dry/desert climates when there are a lack of hygiene protocols.Unsurprisingly these sensible customs became enshrined in the dominant social system these societies subscribed to, namely religion.
Sensible replies are wasted on here DStyle, particularly when the questions aren't really questions.
I'm lately understanding even more what it must have been like to have been German and Jewish in say, 1934.
Jews and Muslims followed God's teaching on not eating animals with split hooves that don't eat the cud.
On health grounds I guess.
On health grounds I guess.
"This seems like sour grapes from the Muslims to stymie the Jews. A poisoning of the waters."
(that's what i wrote.)
ovalman wrote - So Zorro, you say that much of what Muhammed done and said was attributed to stymied waters?
to stymie someone means to block them.. to create obstacles. How you can apply that to waters, is beyond me.
chinese whispers anyone.
(that's what i wrote.)
ovalman wrote - So Zorro, you say that much of what Muhammed done and said was attributed to stymied waters?
to stymie someone means to block them.. to create obstacles. How you can apply that to waters, is beyond me.
chinese whispers anyone.
Muhammad took a book that was around for 500 years and still exists intact in original condition. Carbon dated. thousands of original fragments exist fro the first century in collections around the world.
If I take Harry Potter, off the shelf and change some names and try and republish... what happens to me?
I'm called a thief, a plagiarist.
Buraq is Pegagus. a white winged horse. he's obviously hearing tales told by travellers and just co opting them. It's sad that anyone believes a man with little imagination of his own.
Muhammad is a proven liar. By the timeline. Jesus 33AD - Muhammid seventh century.
If I take Harry Potter, off the shelf and change some names and try and republish... what happens to me?
I'm called a thief, a plagiarist.
Buraq is Pegagus. a white winged horse. he's obviously hearing tales told by travellers and just co opting them. It's sad that anyone believes a man with little imagination of his own.
Muhammad is a proven liar. By the timeline. Jesus 33AD - Muhammid seventh century.
Muhammad may be a proven liar but unlike jesus we know he was a real person
A more interesting question would be why don't we eat horse meat?
Because there are less strict rules about what medication can be given to horses which would be bad health wise for people
I have always thought this whenever people have questioned Muhammad.
If Muhammad was a liar, and wrote a book of fiction, the humans would have to be really stupid to actually believe, follow, memorize, and safeguard the book in a way that not a word has been added to or deducted from it. Even if we were to say all his followers are stupid, surely someone from the non-followers would have done something over the course of 1450 years to prove it wasn't real? I have heard of people trying to find mistakes in the Koran and have at the end themselves converted. But I have never verified these stories, so cant say if they are true. And lets not forget, his religion is still the fastest growing in the world, especially in Europe and America.
So if it is all a work of fiction, or copied, surely the guy deserves even more credit to actually take his work so far and influence so many people for centuries? just with a work of fiction? Do you people realize that calling his work fiction or calling him a liar actually makes him even more impressive and powerful? Is there anyone comparable to him in this regard? Just wondering...
If Muhammad was a liar, and wrote a book of fiction, the humans would have to be really stupid to actually believe, follow, memorize, and safeguard the book in a way that not a word has been added to or deducted from it. Even if we were to say all his followers are stupid, surely someone from the non-followers would have done something over the course of 1450 years to prove it wasn't real? I have heard of people trying to find mistakes in the Koran and have at the end themselves converted. But I have never verified these stories, so cant say if they are true. And lets not forget, his religion is still the fastest growing in the world, especially in Europe and America.
So if it is all a work of fiction, or copied, surely the guy deserves even more credit to actually take his work so far and influence so many people for centuries? just with a work of fiction? Do you people realize that calling his work fiction or calling him a liar actually makes him even more impressive and powerful? Is there anyone comparable to him in this regard? Just wondering...
and there is nothing impressive about getting people to accept dogma. our brains are wired to prefer it over a state of continued questioning and uncertainty.
history is littered with people following crazy ideologies and their common feature is their dogmatic nature.
history is littered with people following crazy ideologies and their common feature is their dogmatic nature.
and not only are we easily seduced by dogma, we're absolutely brilliant at not wanting to admit we're wrong once we've chosen to accept it. we are driven to avoid cognitive dissonance.
all of this has big evolutionary advantages in a group society. groups that were able to motivate large numbers of its members simply and with longevity would have had huge advantages over those that vacillated and ruminated.
all of this has big evolutionary advantages in a group society. groups that were able to motivate large numbers of its members simply and with longevity would have had huge advantages over those that vacillated and ruminated.
Islam tends to copy hardcore Judaism, and pigs were seen as being unclean animals, which, to be fair, they were, as pork harboured parasites up until the 1950s.
See....The Sources of Islam: An Inquiry Into The Sources Of The Faith And Practice Of the Muhammadan Religion by John C. Blair, published in 1925.
Generally available for free online.
Generally available for free online.
In the ancient middle east, dogs were associated with disease and dirt...they wouldn't have been like modern domesticated pets but would have been scavengers and half-wild...maybe some dogs had rabies?
Twice, dogs are talked about in conversations with Jesus...the dogs that licked the shunned man's sores...and the dogs that ate crumbs that fell from the rich man's table...U2 turned this into a song...
I had a female collie that used to roll in fox sh1t when I walked her in the countryside...again, dogs ain't that clean...
Twice, dogs are talked about in conversations with Jesus...the dogs that licked the shunned man's sores...and the dogs that ate crumbs that fell from the rich man's table...U2 turned this into a song...
I had a female collie that used to roll in fox sh1t when I walked her in the countryside...again, dogs ain't that clean...
Why is it that Islam hates pig?
They believe the swine to be a filthy animal that eats it's own faeces.
Possibly some truth in this.
On another note, many moons ago in England human waste was fed to the swine and then the swine was consumed by the human.
You are what you eat,
They believe the swine to be a filthy animal that eats it's own faeces.
Possibly some truth in this.
On another note, many moons ago in England human waste was fed to the swine and then the swine was consumed by the human.
You are what you eat,
Hey...Why is it that Islam LIKES XXXXX...?
Could be a short thread...
Could be a short thread...
Feb 6, 2017 -- 11:13PM, Velasquez wrote:
In the ancient middle east, dogs were associated with disease and dirt...they wouldn't have been like modern domesticated pets but would have been scavengers and half-wild...maybe some dogs had rabies?Twice, dogs are talked about in conversations with Jesus...the dogs that licked the shunned man's sores...and the dogs that ate crumbs that fell from the rich man's table...U2 turned this into a song...I had a female collie that used to roll in fox sh1t when I walked her in the countryside...again, dogs ain't that clean...
and thats the reason it doesn't fit with the people who pray regularly. But i know from my experience that in rural areas of the subcontinent, and areas of middle east too, its hard to imagine a household without a dog.
I lived with a family that cooked everyday for their dog, right after they had cooked their own food. But they never allowed the dog past a specific point in their house(im talking big rural house here). The dog knew that too. His sole purpose was security and its hard to imagine a household not having one. If you dont have a dog, you need to be extremely poor to ensure against robbery. And since people have big land, sometimes 4-5 dogs is common. Again, only for security.
Also, since most muslim countries are developing countries, lack of vets might be another reason. People aren't rich in the first place, so how much will it cost if you want to keep a dog, that too in an area with no vets? Basic health service is sometimes not available for humans so inviting a dog to live with you is allowing new diseases in.
but all these factors are secondary. Its an unclean animal for them and that reason alone probably results in over 80% of them not keeping the dog as an indoor pet.
Detraveller - I had another collie that was brought up on a farm in Loch Maben, and the farmer got rid of the dog when the dog was six, due to the dog's pancreatic disease. He could no longer function as a working sheepdog.
When the dog came into our house, he refused to go into the kitchen. After about 2 weeks, I eventually coaxed him into the kitchen and kinda gradually ruined his training, whatever it was...but he would creep into the kitchen like he was cowed.
When the dog came into our house, he refused to go into the kitchen. After about 2 weeks, I eventually coaxed him into the kitchen and kinda gradually ruined his training, whatever it was...but he would creep into the kitchen like he was cowed.
I personally hate both cats and dogs. In fact ive never touched one my whole life! I am scared of every animal that can run faster than me.
I am scared of every animal that can run faster than me.
You could always breed edible snails or keep tortoises...
I do fine having humans around me but thanks for the tip.
Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 1032 Narrated byAbuDharr
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black dog. I said: O AbuDharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguishes it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said:
The black dog is a devil.
Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 5248 Narrated byMaymunah
One morning Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was silent with grief. Maymunah said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) spent the day in this sad (mood).
Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.
So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens).
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black dog. I said: O AbuDharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguishes it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) as you are asking me, and he said:
The black dog is a devil.
Sahih Muslim HadithHadith 5248 Narrated byMaymunah
One morning Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was silent with grief. Maymunah said: Allah's Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me last night, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises; and Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) spent the day in this sad (mood).
Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He gave an order and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it on the place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.
So the very next morning he commanded the dogs to be killed. He announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog used for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens).
unclean animal?
those children brought up in farms and around animals are less likely to suffer from Allergies.
the Islamic countries are imploding. They are doing a remarkable job of killing themselves.
Their flags are crossed swords - They did not listen to Jesus as he said - those that live by the sword die by the sword.
When Jesus(God) returns he won't look at Muhammad's plagiarism and say this was holy -
Those that side with lies are liars.
Not lovers of the truth.
They've imposed their will on God's people in Jerusalem. They refuse them their religious rights. While in Mecca/Arabia they refuse the Jews the right to enter that country.
God will wipe them away - or they will find the truth.
Jesus was the summit of the old testament, he was the old testament.
Muhammad was Satan's response - A false prophet that murdered, raped, stole, married children, tortured people. You cannot compare the prince of peace with the worst actions of mankind. He died a false prophet's death, poisoned. (Jeremiah)
those children brought up in farms and around animals are less likely to suffer from Allergies.
the Islamic countries are imploding. They are doing a remarkable job of killing themselves.
Their flags are crossed swords - They did not listen to Jesus as he said - those that live by the sword die by the sword.
When Jesus(God) returns he won't look at Muhammad's plagiarism and say this was holy -
Those that side with lies are liars.
Not lovers of the truth.
They've imposed their will on God's people in Jerusalem. They refuse them their religious rights. While in Mecca/Arabia they refuse the Jews the right to enter that country.
God will wipe them away - or they will find the truth.
Jesus was the summit of the old testament, he was the old testament.
Muhammad was Satan's response - A false prophet that murdered, raped, stole, married children, tortured people. You cannot compare the prince of peace with the worst actions of mankind. He died a false prophet's death, poisoned. (Jeremiah)
Cardifffc - just lost the atheist's case - what a twit.
"Muhammad may be a proven liar but unlike jesus we know he was a real person"
Muhammad wrote about Jesus, even though it was BS. Therefore Muhammad knew who Jesus was in 630 AD.
Constantine in 330 moved the empire to Turkey, after conversion to Christianity.
Denial of reality is a sickness of the mind.
"Muhammad may be a proven liar but unlike jesus we know he was a real person"
Muhammad wrote about Jesus, even though it was BS. Therefore Muhammad knew who Jesus was in 630 AD.
Constantine in 330 moved the empire to Turkey, after conversion to Christianity.
Denial of reality is a sickness of the mind.
did Muhammad meet jesus??...........paul nor the "4" gospel writers never met jesus...........Constantine died a pagan.........Christianity for Constantine was no more than a tactical alliance
muhammad and jesus were 600 years apart...........by that time the jesus MYTH was in full flight
Again with the Blindness - I realize God has blinded you Cardifffc.
You cannot accept God, because you want to be your own God.
Self employment. But Judgement is coming quickly now.
The scientists have moved the doomsday clock forward. (two minutes to midnight).
This is the year 5777 on the Jewish calendar and Jesus who is God
Is not going to listen to legal arguments.
You won't get to argue your way into heaven or get in with good deeds.
The historians know Jesus existed. They have about twenty outside sources outside of the gospels. From respected Roman Historians.
The plan was for 6000 years in total from Adam, and the years are past. Jesus left us with 2000 years of grace. The delay Jesus Gave us is all but over. He will be gathering the harvest soon.
You can believe the Muhammad liars, the Darwinian liars and anyone else with magic crystals - anyone with a good excuse to help you fill a bucket list.
Once the doda hits the fan you'll be lost. The deadline approaches and you should stock up on more Bacardi breezers or start to try and understand the most complicated book in creation.
The man was prophecized by Moses and the prophets - he showed up and changed the world, the roman empire went nuts trying to deal with him and wrapped him up in pagan practices to smother him. The protestants died to give you his words in English and you P on it from a great height.
His words will last after the earth is a cinder and your words will be laughed upon for a millennium.
You cannot accept God, because you want to be your own God.
Self employment. But Judgement is coming quickly now.
The scientists have moved the doomsday clock forward. (two minutes to midnight).
This is the year 5777 on the Jewish calendar and Jesus who is God
Is not going to listen to legal arguments.
You won't get to argue your way into heaven or get in with good deeds.
The historians know Jesus existed. They have about twenty outside sources outside of the gospels. From respected Roman Historians.
The plan was for 6000 years in total from Adam, and the years are past. Jesus left us with 2000 years of grace. The delay Jesus Gave us is all but over. He will be gathering the harvest soon.
You can believe the Muhammad liars, the Darwinian liars and anyone else with magic crystals - anyone with a good excuse to help you fill a bucket list.
Once the doda hits the fan you'll be lost. The deadline approaches and you should stock up on more Bacardi breezers or start to try and understand the most complicated book in creation.
The man was prophecized by Moses and the prophets - he showed up and changed the world, the roman empire went nuts trying to deal with him and wrapped him up in pagan practices to smother him. The protestants died to give you his words in English and you P on it from a great height.
His words will last after the earth is a cinder and your words will be laughed upon for a millennium.
zorro.........I think you are either fishing or mentally ill...........if its the first youre a boring pri*k......if it the 2nd I apologise
You want to clock what Thomas Aquinas had to say about good old M.
https://solzemli.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/saint-thomas-aquinas-on-the-deceitfulness-of-islams-founder-muhammad/
https://solzemli.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/saint-thomas-aquinas-on-the-deceitfulness-of-islams-founder-muhammad/
Having been in a couple Muslim public Toilets ,I can assure that dogs are a Division above in their Toilet Habits 
If ye shall believe in fairy stories ye shall be condemned to hell,unfortunately ye shall try to send as many of your brethren as possible there ahead of ye too !
getting upset cardifffc. wait a while longer. till it's too late.
Jesus is returning and you'll have to face the truth.
I still hope you pick up the book and save yourself. But I doubt it.
Pride and self righteousness is hard to overcome.
You have to surrender, let go. To God.
and most people hate God, because he's your better.
and pride tells you.. you're the boss.
Jesus is returning and you'll have to face the truth.
I still hope you pick up the book and save yourself. But I doubt it.
Pride and self righteousness is hard to overcome.
You have to surrender, let go. To God.
and most people hate God, because he's your better.
and pride tells you.. you're the boss.
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