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Will the protestors be out in force about this?

https://order-order.com/2017/01/31/khan-hosting-party-tonight-with-11-nations-who-ban-israelis/

Just hours after demanding the government rescinds its invite to President Trump over his travel ban, Sadiq Khan will tonight host a City Hall reception with 11 dignitaries whose countries bar Israeli citizens from entering. Bangladesh, Brunei, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen will all be represented at the gathering of ambassadors this evening. All 11 of these countries block travel to Israeli passport holders. Khan will use tonight’s party to criticise Trump’s ban as “cruel, prejudiced and counterproductive.” While dining with 11 diplomats whose countries have done the same for years…

UPDATE: Tory London Assembly member Andrew Boff says:

“I fully support the Mayor’s condemnation of President Trump’s divisive travel ban but he should also be willing to condemn those countries that discriminate against citizens from Israel – particularly when he is hosting their representatives at a drinks reception at City Hall.”
UKIP’s Peter Whittle adds:

“Will the Mayor use this occasion to speak out against the 11 countries that permanently ban Israelis? Of course he won’t. Will he rescind their invites to this party, just as he’s calling for the state visit to be stopped? Of course he won’t. Like the protesters yesterday, his outrage is highly selective.”
And Nigel Farage tells Sadiq:

“You want Trump banned from UK but are happy with anti-Israeli discrimination. You are a hypocrite.”

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By:
saddo
When: 01 Feb 17 15:56
No standards like double standards.
By:
donny osmond
When: 01 Feb 17 16:03
how long have these countries banned israel passport holders ?

is it just since trump banned people from usa

or just since it was printed in press as an argument for justification
of trunp

how many united nations countries dont even recognise israel as a country



why should trumps supporters justify his poor decisions by saying oh well
somebody else did that
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 01 Feb 17 16:07
i can't travel either, if I leave the house they'll recognize I'm Lord Lucan and arrest me.
Luckily the tesco van delivers.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 16:46
From Transparency Internationals Corruption Index.

Four of that group of eleven countries also among the eleven most corrupt countries in the world.

18   United States   74   76   74   73   73   Americas   
24   United Arab Emirates   66   70   70   69   68   Middle East and North Africa 
41   Brunei   58   N/A   N/A   60   55   Asia Pacific   
75   Kuwait   41   49   44   43   44   Middle East and North Africa 
116   Pakistan   32   30   29   28   27   Asia Pacific   
131   Iran   29   27   27   25   28   Middle East and North Africa 
136   Lebanon   28   28   27   28   30   Middle East and North Africa 
145   Bangladesh   26   25   25   27   26   Asia Pacific   
166   Iraq   17   16   16   16   18   Middle East and North Africa 
170   Sudan   14   12   11   11   13   Middle East and North Africa 
170   Yemen   14   18   19   18   23   Middle East and North Africa 
170   Libya   14   16   18   15   21   Middle East and North Africa
By:
mememe
When: 01 Feb 17 17:04
Is corruption mandatory in a certain religion then.

No to bacon, no to honesty, sort of thing?

I know corruption exists in all countries and all religions, but shirley this is no coincidence.

We need to march and drain those swamps, come on libtards, get yer crocs on, and march, march, march.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 17:27
To be fair to the people who signed the Trump petition, most of them probably couldn't even name those 11 countries, let alone place them on a map.  But they do know how to use Facebook, Twitter, hashtags and love buzzwords and slogans such as #dumptrump and #trumpout.

Suspect you can get quite a lot of juice on this lot that almost no one in the UK has ever heard of....

Abdul Hamid
Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi
Fayez al-Sarraj
Omar al-Bahir
Hassan Rouhani
Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nayhan
Faud Masaum
Mamnoon Hussain
Hassanal Bolkiah
Michel Aoun
Jaber Al-Mubarrak
By:
digdeep
When: 01 Feb 17 17:36
Are they all founder members of the women's movement in their own countries?
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 17:50
The leaders of those 11 countries according to Wiki.  Just googled Michel Aoun.  He's actually Christian but got in with the support of Hezbollah the Shi'a Islamist militia that is helping Assad bomb Aleppo.  He is a military general who wants to retake parts of Israel.  His son in law is leader of the FPM by acclamation after his nephew quit the race Laugh
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 17:53
Omar Al-Bashir is President of Sudan since 1989 after a military coup.  In the Darfur region, he oversaw the war in Darfur that has resulted in death tolls that are about 10,000 according to the Sudanese Government, but most sources suggest between 200,000 and 400,000
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 18:03
Hassanal Bolkiah is actually The Sultan of Brunei.  On 9 March 2006, the Sultan was reported to have amended Brunei's constitution to make himself infallible under Bruneian law

They are only 41st on the corruption list despite this...
He had open disagreements with his brother, Jefri Bolkiah, who owned a network of companies and investment vehicles under the name "Amadeo" run by his son, Prince Hakim, which was used to buy the luxury goods company Asprey and build an amusement park and other projects in Brunei.[20] In July 1998 the Amadeo group collapsed under US$10 billion in debt.[21] Between 1983 and mid-1998 some US$40 billion of what were called "special transfers" were made from the accounts of the Brunei Investment Agency (BIA).[22] An independent investigation was undertaken into the circumstances of these special transfers, concluding that in round figures, US$14.8 billion were paid to the accounts of Prince Jefri apart from the US$8 billion to accounts of the Sultan and US$3.8 billion for Government purposes. The destination, purpose and recipients of the remaining transfers were not established.[22] Due to the secretive nature of the state and the blurred lines as to where the royal family's finances and the state finances began and ended, establishing the true course of events is very difficult
By:
donny osmond
When: 01 Feb 17 18:10
is that the level trump has fallen to? that to see him in a good light we need compare him to
this lot ?
By:
saddo
When: 01 Feb 17 18:12
You change your tune a lot, donny, cosying up to bad people is either ok or it is not.
By:
donny osmond
When: 01 Feb 17 18:17
i havnt changed my tune

these countries have been hostile to israel since it was formed

i'd like them all to get along but it aint that simple



but really comparing trump to that lot , its funny
By:
TheBaron
When: 01 Feb 17 18:18
...and desperate.
By:
saddo
When: 01 Feb 17 18:22
Khan is behaving in a hypocritical manner, I can't see how that can be denied.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 18:27
It's absurd, but I think that's the point.
By:
donny osmond
When: 01 Feb 17 18:29
they havnt recently imposed the bans, i would hope khan
is in favour of them accepting israel as a state as we british do

despite uk not voting for them to be admitted to united nations
back in the 40s/50s after they took over the british mandate of
palestine by force.....which to some folk around the world has
never been accepted

same as russian land grab in germany was never accepted and
numerous other disputes that have arisen through conflict
By:
saddo
When: 01 Feb 17 18:32
Ah, so it's only bad if it's a recent ban, thanks for clarifying.
By:
workrider
When: 01 Feb 17 18:33
Laugh Saddo.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 18:34
Fwiw has Khan actually demanded the government rescinds its invite to Trump?  The bits I've seen quoted seem quite fair from him.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 18:51
"Just hours after demanding the government rescinds its invite to President Trump over his travel ban, Sadiq Khan"

That's a disingenuous smoke and mirrors quote I reckon.  It implies Sadiq Khan demanded it, but it doesn't literally say he did.

"Just hours after a petition demanding the government rescinds its invite to President Trump over his travel ban, Sadiq Khan"

is probably more accurate

In which case he isn't a hypocrite
By:
johnizere
When: 01 Feb 17 18:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uJ8IJunYs0&spfreload=10

Why wasn't Clinton banned from travelling to UK?
By:
saddo
When: 01 Feb 17 19:40
Sadiq Khan ✔ @SadiqKhan
There should be no state visit for President Trump until he lifts his immigration ban. http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/sadiq-khan-stop-the-uk-state-visit-until-trump-thinks-again-on-travel-ban-a3453171.html …
12:54 PM - 30 Jan 2017




There you go, CLYDEBANK.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 20:01
hypocrite then Laugh
By:
detraveller
When: 01 Feb 17 20:23
Isnt that what politicians do? Being a hypocrite is a part of their job description.

Also, it really has to be a stupid MP to compare this ban to Israel. Those countries have concrete reasons to ban Israel. Israel is in violation of some unique UN resolutions, of which no other country is guilty at such a massive scale. Most of these countries have made it clear that if Israel goes back to the 1967 settlements, they are ready to accept.

Now look at Trump's ban. It also addresses a problem. But the proposed solution is a mess. I am yet to see one reason how it stops terrorism. And the execution of it has been so bad that you have to question Trump's intentions. Is he really trying to solve a problem? Or just pleasing his voters while sucking up to the war machinery?
By:
detraveller
When: 01 Feb 17 20:30
My argument about Israel is only to show that those countries don't beat around the bush to justify the ban. They clearly state the reasons.

Trump's ban states a reason as well. But executes a solution that doesn't address the issue.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 01 Feb 17 21:23
It's about resonating with the voters and everyone has heard of Trump.  It's difficult to resonate with the public and show integrity at the same time.  If you show integrity normally it means you won't resonate.  It's the conundrum of politics.  Plus there is all the PC nonsense to further muddy the waters.

That's why Trump got elected and BREXIT got voted in.  People vote on emotion and soundbites rather than reasoned arguments.
By:
donny osmond
When: 01 Feb 17 22:44
still strange all these right wingers spouting the same rubbish
By:
broadsword
When: 01 Feb 17 23:17
FROM THE SPECTATOR

My pick for the pious political hypocrite of the week award

Douglas Murray:





I would like to propose Labour MP Tulip Siddiq as the winner of the pious political hypocrite of the week badge for her response to President Trump’s temporary immigration halt. From today’s Guardian we learn that Ms Siddiq is one of a number of Labour MPs who have warned that the UK Prime Minister’s allegedly ‘feeble’ response to President Trump’s recent immigration order risks making UK Muslim communities feel ‘disenfranchised and disillusioned.’ Apparently the consequences of this failure could be ‘played out on our streets’ and ‘turning a blind eye to the reality of this ban we run the risk of losing the trust of an entire generation of young British Muslims.’

Now of course one might ask what it is about any group of people that makes them so available for street disturbances. I cannot think of any other group in society of whom this would be said. Does not the very suggestion that young Muslims might rise up on the streets of Britain over such a far-away political issue actually suggest a certain validity to the argument some people make that Muslims are unusually bad at integrating and continuing to import them in very large numbers is a mistake in the long term? Does it not, in other words, go some way to justifying what rationale appears to exist behind Trump’s Presidential order?

I park the thought in order to award the prize. The reason why Tulip Siddiq’s comments stand out are because of something rather closer to home than US border politics. For as well as being MP for Hampstead and Kilburn Ms Siddiq is also the niece of the Prime Minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Hasina – a woman to whom I understand she is very close. Such are the happy connections of an inter-connected world.

So were I Ms Siddiq, and genuinely concerned about global injustice, I would not spend much time condemning the UK PM for not sufficiently condemning the US President: this is a long and convoluted process, unlikely to yield results. Instead I would pick up the phone and call my aunt. For of course Bangladesh has for many decades run a genuinely bigoted and borderline racist border-control of its own which, among other things, refuses entry to Israeli passport holders. If you were a Jew living in your ancestral homeland and sought to go on holiday to Bangladesh – never mind if you decided to live there – you couldn’t. Now if I were such a believer as Ms Siddiq appears to be in the right of people to roam wherever they like such a blanket ban going back many years would bother me far more than a temporary ban which looks likely to be clarified in the coming weeks.

The other thing that is so interesting about this relationship is that it brings to mind a number of conversations I have had in recent years in the migrant camps of southern Europe. For on a fairly regular basis I have come across groups of Bangladeshi men in those camps who have come to Europe because they have had to flee their native land. As ever it is hard to verify the reasons they give, but most Bangladeshis I have spoken to in the Greek camps have explained that they had to leave their native Bangladesh because they were involved in the political opposition and that their lives were under threat from government forces. The plight of these people is genuinely terrible. Unable to return home, and unable to go beyond Greece to get into Europe.

So as I say, if Tulip Siddiq really wants to alleviate global social injustice, instead of using the alleged volatility of young British Muslims to try to sway US government policy she should just speed-dial her aunt. Direct lines don’t come much more direct than that.
By:
Capt__F
When: 01 Feb 17 23:34
Hampstead & Kilburn fallenSad
By:
donny osmond
When: 01 Feb 17 23:54
douglas is a neo con
By:
detraveller
When: 02 Feb 17 00:02
Isn't it amazing that with all the mess the muslim world is, Trump is unable to convince the world on a good vetting system for 7 countries that are actually struggling with civil war(exc. Iran)?

Fact is Trump got the execution horribly wrong. His own poeple are struggling to defend it, both legally and politically, and the latest effort in that defence is bringing in Israel. Its a failure at all levels. Without even starting on whether its right or wrong, the executive order failed to pass the legal test(and normally executive orders don't have that issue, that is why they exist!). It was nothing more than an idiot's way of gaining attention and now he's got all his minions around the world trying to defend him from politicians who have found a great way to stay busy.
By:
donny osmond
When: 02 Feb 17 00:09
saddam hussein tried to bring in isreal when he invaded kuwait

another comparison ?
By:
detraveller
When: 02 Feb 17 00:09
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Everybody is arguing whether or not it is a BAN. Call it what you want, it is about keeping bad people (with bad intentions) out of country!

He still doesn't understand that his ban does not stop any terrorists. It leaves enough loopholes for any terrorist to come in.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 02 Feb 17 08:49
De traveller and Donny Osmond trying to defend the ban on Israelis.

Israel deserves it.

This is the hypocrisy of the Left.

The only group I know who if they don't get their way they turn violent are religion of peace members
By:
donny osmond
When: 02 Feb 17 08:59
another silly attack from wildmanfromborneo
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 02 Feb 17 09:01
Roosevelt had more balls...

On February 19th 1942 Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066. Under the terms of the Order, some 120,000 people of Japanese descent living in the US were removed from their homes and placed in internment camps. The US justified their action by claiming that there was a danger of those of Japanese descent spying for the Japanese. However more than two thirds of those interned were American citizens and half of them were children. None had ever shown disloyalty to the nation. In some cases family members were separated and put in different camps. During the entire war only ten people were convicted of spying for Japan and these were all Caucasian
By:
saddo
When: 02 Feb 17 09:08
I don't think anyone has said Israeli's deserve it, wildman. Bans on foreigners only matter if they are recent, and everyone has to have heard of the man doing the banning, is what I have read.
By:
donny osmond
When: 02 Feb 17 09:15
pity your comprehension is so poor saddo

you could join if if it was better instead of having to post silly stuff
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