McCanns lose court case

"Good Morning Britain viewers in Meltdown...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3075661/good-morning-
britain-viewers-in-meltdown-over-ridiculous-11-1-million-
bill-for-the-madeleine-mccann-investigation-
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I always enjoy reading the readers' comments at the bottom!

Police are searching for a resort worker who they claim 'kept secrets' from them during the initial investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. 
An insider has revealed officers are searching for a Portuguese man who was nearby when the three-year-old went missing while on holiday in the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007.

A Portuguese police source told the Daily Mirror: ‘This Portuguese man used to work at the club resort, he speaks a bit of English.

‘British officers are convinced he knows more than he was saying and are very keen to question him.
‘They are not suggesting he stole Maddie, but he may know people who could have been involved after a burglary went wrong.


'Burglary gone wrong' 

£11 Million to come up with this.

Imagine if these clowns went to Hollywood and tried to pitch this crap as a movie script for £11M.....

'Okay , so the burglars get into the apartment ,they start looking around for phones and laptops and stuff , but then they find there are 3 kids aged under 4 ! And so the burglary 'goes wrong' because these kids could stop them burgling by ...er .....um .......          anyway now that the burglary has gone wrong they need to get away ASAP . So the best thing they can think of is to grab the 3 year old and carry her screaming through the streets because that makes it easier for them to , erm , and less conspicuous , well  ,maybe , erm

so six months needed to interview this man who is no doubt swarthy and unattractive

over £11 million spent on the case by the old bill.

wtaf

Amazing what they will do to pretend they're doing something!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3143412/british-couple-reveal-
moment-they-feared-their-toddler-could-be-next-madeleine-
mccann-as-maid-tried-to-snatch-her-on-holiday/

‘she could have been the next Madeleine McCann’, so say the words in this Sun headline.

An alleged attempted abduction of a child by a 'maid', who allegedly was back working at a resort in Cyprus despite allegedly having been sacked two years earlier following an "incident".

Funnily enough, no name given for the maid and no arrest made...

Anyone have any hard evidence of the McCanns guilt yet? no thought not. Don't suppose it will stop the constant digs though, including from the likes of brain of Britain Jodie Marsh.

david icke called jimmy saville out years before it all became public. just because someone stupid calls it out does not mean it is wrong. i still read your posts despited your stupidity.even a blind squirrel finds nuts sometimes.

McCann defenders always struggle with the difference between evidence and proof.

There is plenty of evidence against them in the dozen or more things inconsistent with their supposed innocence that cannot be explained away .

Scandi seems to think it's his duty to defend the McCanns, not sure why.
Spot on with the evidence/proof thing.
I'm kinda on the side of abduction but by no means certain in my mind given the contradictions and evidence.

tober, unless you have any concrete proof they are involved, there is not plenty of evidence at all of any real meaning, if there was they would be in prison.

theres 1000,s of guilty people walking the streets with police not looking for anyone else for the crimes,because although theres plenty of evidence just not enough

And it's not that I am a McCann defender because I can't remember screaming from the rooftops they are innocent, because I don't know which is the point, either do you, people who out and out accuse them of being directly involved just use the case as an opportunity to beat them with the moral stick to make them feel righteous and look a better parent "look at me I would never leave my kids alone".

McCanns lose appeal in Portugal

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/782719/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-lose-another-court-battle

Most people developed that attitude towards them Scandi because of their arrogance, Gerry's in particular, in interviews.

Most people developed that attitude towards them Scandi because of their arrogance, Gerry's in particular, in interviews.

Would love to hear the opinion of criminal psychologists,i doubt many would say with any confidence they think the Mcanns look innocent,quite the opposite which is what makes it stink the place out..

There's hours of videos from CP's  on YouTube about this case.

Another Battle on the Horizon

‘Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann’ author Pat Brown, who has analysed the case, said the evidence implicates the British girl’s parents, not a stranger.

“There’s no point spending all of this money as nothing they do is going to make that child alive.”

£11 Million spent on search  ,foookin Ekk

yet another person trying to cash in on the this sad case by coming up with nothing new that leads to actual answers, great

plenty have gained financially

there is a petition up and running now asking them to take a lie detector test. 25,000 signatures so far.

kate and gerry have refused.

If they turned down an alleged offer of a million from an American businessman, can't see what difference a few signatures will make

lie detectors tests are not an exact science, people telling the truth have failed them, people lying have passed them they proved nothing and would achieve nothing.

Thanks for that, Gerry.

Although you might want to get in touch with the FBI, MI6, DGSE, etc etc as they use them on their own personnel regularly. You should advise them that they are wasting their time and money.

they know they are not full proof.

no one who is innocent should take a lie detector test.

why not? if you have to ask that question you are too stupid to be commentating on anything.

lets put it this way, if they pass the test, or if they fail the test.
the same people who have found them to be guilty, without any evidence, will still believe they are guilty.
everyone of them, exactly the same number, it will not change their mindset in any way
evidence is not for them.

Most People Specially Family in the States, opt to  take the Test in hope that it will stop the Police wasting time Investigating them .

Makes sense really  Doesn't it ?

I don't think the police are that stupid.

Just an observation, but what kind of person like Burt06 takes the time, and apparently some interest in pursuing this at this stage.

Ah-a, I know, he knows important acronyms and apparently he knows about lie detector tests and how they are used and validated.

He'll be posting again no doubt, and we can move forward, and closer to the truth with his valuable and expert input.

Police do not eliminate suspects on the strength of lie detector tests not unless they are an out and out cowboy operation from some banana republic.

It's just another part of the 10 year witch hunt.

No idea if they are guilty or innoncent, but this is just another non story associated with the case, like the ex policeman who a few weeks ago after a whole decade came up with an “astonishing new theory” about Madeleine McCann....she walked out of the apartment and was taken!

How did he come up with that?

I can assure you that the Police in the States find  LD tests very helpful

In what way casemoney? Certainly puts more people in jail!.

in the macaans case proved by their initial statements,the rule of thumb we learned is that when their lips move their lying, then proceed from there on that basis and you wont go far wrong

Scandi or Gerry to his friends never misses an opportunity to defend the mccanns.

I think you need to look up the definition of -defend.

Plenty of the McCanns lies have been found out already.

Though polygraphs are Uri Geller type nonsense .

Somebody linked a documentary about an American language expert analysing the Mccann's words in interviews. I have to say it was surprisingly convincing.

If it were Me and My Daughter I am taking any test as early as Possible to hope the Police can Rule me out ....

I have no Idea What happened to Maddy ,but The word Shifty Just about Covers Mr McCann ,if ever a Person needed ruling out

of a case its Him ..

Unfortunately we Have a Wxnker Mob on the Forum who have obviously Gone blind to any other Opinion than their Own ..

Does casemoney consider the possibility that he might fail the test and be innocent.

And the police might concentrate on finding him guilty instead of trying to find the real culprit.

Does he trust the police not to do that? I don't know.

Colombo in Sri Lanka? It's always funny when that happens - a stupid spelling mistake whilst taking the mick out of somebody's intelligence.

sit the test if you are guilty, you have nothing to lose.

do not sit the test if you are innocent, you have nothing to gain.

the McCanns did not sit the test, they are innocent.

not that one necessarily proves the other.

What about a truth drug? Isn't that much more reliable? I'd offer to take that if I was innocent. Or hypnosis? You never know, your subconscious might remember some little detail that could help solve the case. An innocent father would be prepared to try anything.

no, nobody who believes the McCanns to be innocent will believe that either.
they have described the events, and anyone guilty could not have described those events as Gerry described them .

only an innocent person could have described the events as he described them, I have explained why.

* no one who believes the McCanns guilty

Speaking as a father I know without a shred of doubt that I would put myself through any test imaginable if it had the slightest chance of helping the police find my child. I wouldn't give a damn about any potential repercussions on myself. All normal fathers would feel the same.

do not take any drug, do not take any lie detector test.

that`s fine torque, but by doing what you suggest will not help the investigation in any way.
it could hinder it, and make you guilty and the guilty party escape.

I hear you LFC but forget about whether or not Gerry is innocent for a moment. All I am saying is that speaking as a father I would be prepared to do ANYTHING that might help to find my child.

How reliable are truth drugs? I've heard about them, but do they work well?

a lie detector test taken by an innocent person, has it ever led to a conviction of an innocent person?

a lie detector test, has it ever led to a conviction of a guilty person

the same regarding a `truth drug` if such a thing exists
or hypnosis?

what are the cases you know of?

And what about hypnosis LFC? Surely that would be worthwhile? Gerry's subconscious might remember something that would help?

what will happen if you pass the lie detector test, or truth drug if such things exist?

possibly, such as what?

hypnosis does not allow anyone to remember anything

I don't know of any cases LFC. I am offering you my opinion as a father. I think many many other fathers feel the same as me. I don't know if you are a father LFC but when you have a child it changes a person - you will do anything to protect or help them. I think this is why many many parents are suspicious of the Mccanns. I would take a lie detector test, a truth drug, hypnosis, any test at all if it had a one in a million chance of helping.

and what if it hindered the case, because if you are innocent it will not help the case.

Any risk to myself wouldn't be a consideration.

Can I ask if you are a father LFC?

it could very well have a chance of hindering the case

that is why if you are guilty you should take it

torque if you want to have any possibility of looking at this case you will have to think logically.
try to forget emotions and feelings

the working classes are not capable of logical thought

The case is 10 years old. Gerry taking those tests could hardly hinder the investigation. The investigation has already failed. I word take every test possible for that one chance it might help.

it could hinder the investigation if he failed it, it will not help the investigation if he passes, how could it?

The investigation has failed LFC. Taking any of the tests mentioned could not possibly hinder the investigation now. It could however discover something that might help.

I don't see how it helps if Gerry passes or fails the lie detector test

a `truth drug` I am not sure such things exist

hypnosis has never be used to allow someone to remember anything as far as I know?

facts are what we need, I love and honour facts.

why? because you can`t trust what someone says
who could deny that?

you can`t trust an expect when he tells you about Gerry`s body language
or the tone of his voice, or any other such cobblers

now if anyone on this thread believes the McCanns to be guilty...
where are the facts.
name them, describe the evidence, not opinions, just the facts
and the evidence.
thankyou

I've only posted on this fred once before, and that was to say, I once left my baby daughter in my car (locked) right outside my local newsagent, and was in there all of 50 odd seconds, when I returned to the car, I was overtaken by an enormous sense of guilt and careless stupidity, and never repeated it. Sounds a bit daft I know, but the idea of leaving children of any age to go to a restaurant, no matter how near, and for a meal and drinks is quite beyond my comprehension, even looking in every 10 minutes (not the case) doe's not cut it for me

I don't have any idea what happened, any more than the opposing opinions above, other than the cold fact that a child has (most probably) been murdered murdered, and she is the one and only true victim here. Judgemental??? yes isn't that what separates from the other species!!

no bygone, it is the ability to think rationally, and logically , and with empathy and with understanding and to tame our baser instincts in favour of calm and kind and careful way of thinking.
There's are the things that seperate us a little from the animals.

not bygone, boxing :)

now someone's child disappears from their car, and they are accused of murder ?
that seems to be the more relevant thing in your post .

Fair point mate, No, they don't, get accused of murder, Just child neglect, possible  ostracization from some/most? family, friends, and neigbours, and if you're a half decent human being/parent a lifetime of regret and guilt.

I have no opinions on The McCanns, and what they might or not not be doing/going through. I just know as a parent that my reaction would have been completely different, not better or worse just different.

They have used the machinery of publicity to the nth degree and the resultant decisions appear as bad as the decisions that caused this dreadful event in the first place. To my knowledge. They are NOT unworldly, nor uneducated, and also had maturity on their side

Gerry McCannn. " "We have always said that at six months we didn't want to look back and say 'I wish we had done that and wish we had done this'. Now that quote was in the context of the search, but no one can disagree that as a statement it displays piss poor judgement. Tinged with self justification and arrogance, in the midst of the publicity storm they helped whip up.....Six months!! FFS.

That's all I have to say on this matter.

my two posts have been deleted, unlucky chucky, I'm still here

what I said was...


Have you thought about this one as well Einstein, people can undergo hypnotherapy to convince themselves they are innocent if they are guilty and pass lie detector tests with flying colours. I don't think you've thought it through. The mind is the most powerful tool we have and answering a few questions convincly is not enough to stand up in court as evidence, DNA, witneses, CCTV evidence, that's what the justice system wants not a test.


Amazing this post was deleted, I can't see anything that has broken the terms and conditions of forum use

Was that post directed at me SH?

If it was - I have no idea why your post was deleted, I didn't even see it. I certainly didn't report it and not would I have wanted to - nothing in would warrant its deletion. Regards the hypnosis thing - I am not endorsing any tests (hypnosis, polygraphs, truth drugs). What I am saying is that as a father of young children I would agree to ANYTHING if there was the slimmest chance at all it might help find my child. Any potential risks to myself wouldn't be a consideration at all, I'd just take all the tests immediately. I have no idea if Gerry is innocent or guilty, but as a father I can understand the suspicion.

Of the people posting in this thread, I'd like to know who are parents. I think this is a fair question because unless you have children of your own you do not know how a parent feels. I argue that most fathers would do ANYTHING that might help to find their missing daughter - lie detector, hypnosis, truth drug - all would be accepted in a heartbeat. Refusing things like this is suspicious, it just is.

Torque did you ever wonder why so many detectives in fiction not only did not have children
but were not even married ?
Sherlock Holmes, Poirot, Miss Marple , Inspector  Morse and many more ,
Why did the writers so often make this the archetype ?
I don't know .

now a lie detector test. Are there any questions that might be asked if Gerry that have not already been asked ?
if they haven't been asked why not ?

a truth drug I don't believe exists , perhaps alcohol ?

hypnosis , has anyone been even able. to remember where they lost their car keys under hypnosis ?
I don't know.

a truth drug is interesting. If such a thing did exist is it possible that some innocent people would be found guilty?
and guilty innocent . I think so.

If you are innocent is there any circumstance wwere taking a truth drug would help solve the case ,
I don't see how .

in the macaans case proved by their initial statements,the rule of thumb we learned is that when their lips move their lying, then proceed from there on that basis and you wont go far wrong

Isn't that one of the big problems here. So many anomolies and different versions of events from the McCanns lead you to believe that not all of what they come with can be the truth, but that doesn't mean they killed Madeleine.

no but it means they didnt do everything they could ,to help find her,why would you do that if you wernt trying to cover something up,
maybe they were swingers,peado,s etc putting their careers 1st

imo the answers here lie as to why and how the maccans had government forces,media outlets on the scene within hrs,theres and  obviously some sort of network between the macaans and people in high places

lfc1971    01 Apr 17 09:41 
facts are what we need, I love and honour facts.


Ah that's nice
Thank you

Why did Kate wash the pet cuddle cat that had her daughters scent on, seems strange and doesn't make sense why she would have done that. But IF they had sedated her she may have done this to get rid of evidence as her saliva could have been evidence of sleeping drugs!! I don't understand why you would want to wash something belonging to a child you have just lost, a special item would be kept as it was.

A former detective who led the initial investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has sensationally claimed that MI5 helped cover up her death.

Portuguese former police chief Goncalo Amaral, 56, told an Australian documentary that British secret agents “for sure had an involvement” when Maddie vanished at the age of 3 in 2007.

Mr Amaral also astonishingly claimed that former Prime Minister Gordon Brown was involved in the cover up.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/madeleine-mccann-detetive-accuses-ex-pm-gordon-brown-mi5-epic-cover-095518361.html

That's the well respected,Goncarlo Amaral who's never had a dodgy past and never tried to make money from suspected death of a child, now going back to the well to help cover previous legal costs.

For Amaral,read McCanns.I know who's made the most money .

The Met saying they are 'keeping an open mind'  , but 'there is no question of the parents involvement'

Why say that then?

I've just watched Mark Rowley on the news. That man fills me with utter dread and consternation. I swear if i was the McCanns he wouldn't get over my doorstep. WAUC he looks; and probably is..

I'm sure the McCanns are delighted with him!

Well that's true. It does make ye wonder though..