We're the 5 th richest country in the world you are told

There is only one way to improve wages and the prosperity and security of the middle and working class. And also the country.
And that is to stop mass immigration. No established country, like Britain , has ever in history been able to sustain levels of mass immigration. It's impossible.

There is never any need for immigration in any country, there has never in history been any country that needed immigration, and there has never in history been any country that allowed mass immigration.

The idea of countries was to seperate yourself from other people, why ?
because only then was it possible to have progress and peace.

If there are no seperate countries there is only fear, and repression, and terror.

If there is free movement of people there are no countries, and that will lead to these things. I don't like that kind of freedom.

So prove countries who have never had migrants are richer than those who didn't..

stuck record

Shut down the argument.

Breeding you're not listening, countries don't allow mass immigration. The don't allow it and never have.

of course it's happening now. It has never happened before.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5cex6gBpE1qhtlbyo1_400.jpg

there has never in history been any country that allowed mass immigration.
Prove it..

well I could be wrong, I can't think of one. enlighten me.

So you just say what you think without research?

No I have read history, not all of it. I don't want to know everything.

Have you a country, that comes to mind ?

anytime in history , just one or two. There are so many to choose from .

Oh come on we all benefit from immigration the rich tell us so

What about the Potato famine where more than a million maybe a million and a half migrated from Ireland.

The reason immigration can be a problem is because Governments don't spend enough perhaps through Austerity and reducing services
which of course is the fault of the E.U. as they tell our Government what to do we have no choice in the matter

Breeding , when Irish people left Ireland they were leaving. Not coming in.

http://africaunauthorised.com/?p=1311

Interesting reading dont know what is true and is not

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My ??? was to lfc1971.

Yes,exactly facts

interesting read wit-ham.

Yes IS
The world needs population control imo,but will never happen in my time
so the conveyor belt will just keep going.

One child per family you know it works

Yep it does otherwise we would have at least 3 times the amount of Chinese we do now

Bring in millions of low paid workers from abroad, give em tax credits and child/housing benefits which far outweigh any tax they pay. Then cram em into an existing infrastructure which is already stretched to breaking. Is this your recipe for success, BM?

That is what i have always found strange, over populated world is the biggest danger to the planet, but then we are told countries populations are falling which will cause a financial downturn so we need more people, something doesnt add up.......

walked out at night   and was approached by tens of beggars in the space of a few minutes -  these were almost all young males . They used to sit in doorways asking -now they get right in your face

if i'd been out of the country i'd assumed  they had stopped social security .

wealth is lop too  sided  but then you can't reward failure - so NO solution is possible

too lop

Blame the E.U. send them a letter off OR inform your local M.E.P.

2013[edit]

The table below lists the 34 OECD countries' wealth per adult in USD.[1] The net mean wealth is calculated by subtracting the debt from the mean wealth.


Country/Territory

Median wealth

Net mean wealth

Mean wealth

Mean debt


Turkey 5,326 23,879 25,909 2,030
Poland 9,109 20,124 26,056 5,932
Mexico 9,718 34,354 35,872 1,518
Chile 11,742 40,903 49,032 8,129
Hungary 14,068 22,862 28,379 5,517
Czech Republic 15,541 36,579 44,975 8,396
Estonia 15,724 22,788 33,701 10,913
Slovakia 20,740 20,097 27,224 7,127
South Korea 30,938 52,246 79,475 27,229
Portugal 38,846 64,080 89,074 24,994
United States 44,911 244,329 301,140 56,811
Slovenia 44,932 54,117 64,067 9,950
Germany 49,370 161,413 192,232 30,819
Sweden 52,677 233,346 299,441 66,095
Greece 53,937 83,769 112,971 19,202
Austria 57,450 171,205 203,931 32,726
Denmark 57,675 139,286 255,066 115,780
Spain 63,306 92,469 123,997 31,528
Ireland 75,573 112,305 183,804 71,499
New Zealand 76,607 133,229 182,548 49,319
Netherlands 83,631 96,586 185,588 89,002
Canada 90,252 188,883 251,034 62,151
Norway 92,859 256,737 380,473 123,736
Finland 95,095 129,760 171,821 42,061
Switzerland 95,916 379,550 512,562 133,012
Iceland 104,733 48,584 211,592 163,008
Japan 110,294 181,655 216,694 35,039
United Kingdom 111,524 194,025 243,570 49,545
Italy 138,653 216,035 241,383 25,348
France 141,850 257,330 295,933 38,603
Belgium 148,141 221,722 255,573 33,851
Luxembourg 182,768 230,831 315,240 84,409
Australia 219,505 302,086 402,578 100,492

Which kind of suggests the Opening post is BS

Fwiw since BREXIT the UK will have dropped a few places with the mini collapse of Sterling

The higher that number the less concentrated wealth is likely to be at the top.

Turkey        0.206
 Poland        0.350
 Mexico        0.271
 Chile        0.239
 Hungary        0.496
 Czech Republic        0.346
 Estonia        0.467
 Slovakia        0.762
 South Korea        0.389
 Portugal        0.436
 United States        0.149
 Slovenia        0.701
 Germany        0.257
 Sweden        0.176
 Greece        0.477
 Austria        0.282
 Denmark        0.226
 Spain        0.511
 Ireland        0.411
 New Zealand        0.420
 Netherlands        0.451
 Canada        0.360
 Norway        0.244
 Finland        0.553
  Switzerland        0.187
 Iceland        0.495
 Japan        0.509
 United Kingdom        0.458
 Italy        0.574
 France        0.479
 Belgium        0.580
 Luxembourg        0.580
 Australia        0.545

Does it take into account outgoings? e.g rent and mortgage payments?

It's wealth distribution not income and expenditure distribution.  Your first 2 lines mention wealth distribution.  As far as wealth distribution goes the UK seems average at worst.

It's like your Balance Sheet.  Not your P+L account

The UK's Gini coefficient (takes account of Income and wealth I think) is 32.6 on Wiki.  Less than France Portugal Spain and Italy plus Canada USA Australia and New Zealand

According to the Gini coefficient Ukraine comes out best.  I won't be moving there myself.

Gini coefficient

Comoros 64.3
Haiti 60.8
Brazil 51.5
China 42.2
Russia 41.6
USA 41.1
Spain 35.9
France 33.3
UK 32.6
Japan 32.1
Germany 30.1
Denmark 29.1 (least corrupt and most socially mobile country in the world)
Ukraine 24.6

Not clear whether that is Income only or (Some combo of income and wealth).  It's meant to measure inequality though

On either measure it seems the UK holds up pretty well.  Unlike the USA, which is shocking on both counts.

Seems there is a global shift to greater inequality over the last 40 years.  Guess that might be a result of global competition and greater freedom of movement.

More to do with the freedom of capital to find lower wages and get more profit.

I imagine it's a bit like the Premier League buying up the foreign talent.  Tax the high earners or wealthy too much and they'll up sticks.

that too