melbourne attack

Its ok it wasnt terror related apparently.
As though terror is now a word that instigates emotion of control over a set of people.
When non terror killings outnumber terror killings.

Strange world innit?

The police say the man is known to them, and has a long history of family violence, drug issues and mental health problems.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-38685972

Sounds like he could qualify to be a regular on Chit Chat.

police just watching him do burnouts and then let him drive off

and shouting allahu akbar....wtf. didnt it cross their minds he might use car as a weapon?....ffs

No doubt that they will say they didn't want to put any lives at risk by shooting at the car.

BBC thought it best not to include this..

https://twitter.com/HobartMick/status/822362295837683712

wtf

Rofl, good old beeb.

the ENEMEDIA are still throwing the fuel on that pyre

shirley he didn't shout those words??

It seems some people have a lust for any incident to be related to a certain religion.

I think people are concerned that the media fail the report the full facts to the public.

some folk just cant wait to get the version they prefer
from mail, express or sun

so don......you think the witness was making it up?

These two support the brothers -they want more of them in the uk.

but thank goodness it wasn't a Daesh attack.

Try reading this... he was off his head on drugs..
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/melbourne-cbd-rampage-driver-dimitrious-gargasoulas-allegedly-warned-ill-take-you-all-out-in-chilling-facebook-post/news-story/ef8fb8e22b50437ddbbde4c0795feec1

so breedin...........you think the witness was making it up?

At least we know it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam.

Is the suggestion being made here that the murders become more significant if he said certain words as he carried them out?

Therefore if he didnt say certain words the murders are of lesser significance?

What if he said a word similar or didnt believe in the word but said it anyway?

he clearly wanted to join the  allahu akbar  killing club

Wanna Bee slim Drugged up Kills innocents

Broadsword, you need to get with modern democracy.

He was forced to yell or made it up.

He clearly was suffering from mental illness, that illness that we know about. Read write repeat.

VICTORIA’S most senior police officer has conceded officers failed to stop the rampaging car driver before he reached Bourke St Mall and drove into dozens of people.
The action, or inaction, of police in the hours leading up to the carnage in central Melbourne will be examined by the coroner, Police Commissioner Graham Ashton said, as a question mark hangs over whether the tragedy could have been prevented.
Four people were killed and dozens injured after 26-year-old Dimitrious “Jimmy” Gargasoulas allegedly drove his Commodore into packed city streets. Several of the injured, including a three-month old baby, are still fighting for their lives.
At a media conference in Melbourne on Saturday Mr Ashton and Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews faced a barrage of questions about police involvement with Gargasoulas.

What his Mother said.
She said the fight, which saw Jimmy allegedly stab his brother in the face, was over Angelo’s sexuality.

“Jimmy keeps saying to me, I’m going to kill all gays and poofters and lesbians,” she said.

Gargasoulas’ girlfriend, Akiir Muo, has also spoken of the horror, saying she was held hostage by her partner during his wild crime spree.

“He was driving really erratically ... he kept saying it was the end of the world and how he planned to run over people in the city because the police were following us,” she told the Herald Sun.

“When I found out he actually killed people I just went into shock. I started crying and thought, “Jimmy what have you done”.”

The 3 month old baby passed away this morn

OP - not sure where you are from but Melbs is my home. Swanston st and the Bourke st mall are no places to be intentionally ramming cars, especially at lunch time on a business day. I feel for the cops here, no good choices on offer to them and there was no way for them to know at the time this nutjob would go so far.

The main issue here is that he was out on bail despite police protests he was a danger.

RIP to the 5 lost.

surely could have been rammed in that big area he was driving in circles or earlier considering he was a suspect in a stabbing......but they decided to "back off"
i read in one report that theyd been tracking him for 2 hours.

probably worried about his rights and how he identified himself.

And no doubt a straight A student and promising young footballer.

It has to stop right here and right now.

It really does.

poor, poor people.  Let down again by our lily livered politicos.

Has any lefty media outlet informed us yet that this fine young man was known to his many pals as Lleyton 'Thorpey' Cash-Rafter ?

I can now reveal he was shouting F**k THE WORLD..not exactly what other posters hoped he was shouting ,,..

^ Makes a change from F**K Trump too

Religious nutjob, burnt a bible while nicking the car.

"He claimed to be 'Greek Islamic Kurdish' and a follower of Yazdanism, the native religion of the Kurds before the arrival of Islam, also know as the 'cult of Angels'. "

He does look more Arabic than Greek tbf.

HIS rights ahead of anyone elses - just the sort of thing bleeding mad supports

mobo still one eyed crusading on the misery of others

What makes it worse is there is a "no pusuit" policy ,so even though he was not being pressed he still drives into a crowd of innocent people .Had already stabbed his brother for being gay and drove a fair distance to the city .
Police tried to stop him on a bridge but failed due to safety concerns

when he was doing donuts he should have been tactically rammed and hemmed in but due to the law if it went wrong the cops would cop .

unconfirmed reports saying he was a recent convert to Islam ...which could well be correct imo .

Suspect this was all about Melbourne hosting the AO and to grab headlines ,terrorist event whatever way you want to call it but it should hopefully all come out in the wash.

the nicey nicey approach is not working ,if its terror related take emm out

so aussie police should consult chit chat forum and if given the nod.....

is that to me ?

unconfirmed reports saying he was a recent convert to Islam ...which could well be correct imo .

The Slim Connections are building

The point is that the cops held back - it is the usual pc madness.  Regardless of his motives.  What about the protection of innocent little children??  Did they think he was just parking his car.
Of course if a cop had taken him out there would be demands to lock him up for 30 years.

i think it could explain his terrorist behavior

so you think that is not a reasonable deduction from all available evidence here ?

If he was shouting Akbhar can be too careful, guy might Just Be praying ...

Jan 22, 2017 -- 10:16AM, not allowed to bet wrote:

The point is that the cops held back - it is the usual pc madness.  Regardless of his motives.  What about the protection of innocent little children??  Did they think he was just parking his car.Of course if a cop had taken him out there would be demands to lock him up for 30 years.

its the protection of innocent little children a  democracy decided on a non pursuit policy imo .

i dont think the cops in this country should be chasing kids driving cars through towns ,too many innocents killed and for what ,the courts to take away their x-box and sherbet dip for a month ,its pointless but when its terror related or after serious crime has been comitted ,then it has to be done but a better way needs found .

not got enough info on the rules and regs in Melbourne  to make a judgment on whether they were followed or not but the point i was making abd the one being missed is the driver was not being actively/aggressively  pursued and he done what he did ,something he said he was going to do .

should have popped a slug in the mut and saved the innocents but the wishy washy types like we are infested with on here would have been out burning thar bras and greetin about police brutality

you know who you are

Any one know where he got the idea of driving a vehicle into a crowd of people from?

probably read about it in press or saw it on tv

probably not bright enough to think it up for himself

idiots driven by media , ring a bell

When I first saw the clip I wondered if the lads with the baseball bat were going to whack him over the head with it
as his head was stuck out of the window.

They were trying to, but decided to back off after one attempt.

Jan 22, 2017 -- 6:10AM, broadsword wrote:

surely could have been rammed in that big area he was driving in circles or earlier considering he was a suspect in a stabbing......but they decided to "back off"i read in one report that theyd been tracking him for 2 hours.

That big circle is the most major intersection in the city. You can't just get a cop car there in 30 seconds to ram someone at lunchtime on a business day ffs. You are talking rubbish.

What makes it worse is there is a "no pusuit" policy

No such policy exists. Victoria Police have a policy to terminate pursuits when they deem the risk to the public too great.

You can't just get a cop car there in 30 seconds to ram someone at lunchtime on a business day ffs. You are talking rubbish.

the video i watched there is a helicopter overhead and after he pulls out of the donut routine and drives off you can see what looks like unmarked cop cars all pull out and follow him ,there was plenty cop cars there .

and your attempt at the no pursuit policy here is a quote from startsat60.com

It turns out officers were pursuing Gargasoulas in the hours before his rampage in the city, but were told to stop.

One veteran police officer has gone so far as to tell the ABC that the families and friends of those killed and injured have “every right” to question why police didn’t do more to stop Gargasoulas.

“The no-pursuit policy is a disgrace, it’s cowardly,” he said.

so unsure as to what you mean ?

Can't speak to your website or its credibility. all I can say, is there is no such thing as a no pursuit policy in the state of Victoria. If a member of the media call it that, they are incorrect. I already explained the policy.

Not sure what the relevance of the helipcopter is. Maybe they should have used the rotars to take him out? No probs. And the cars they may have been unmarked cars, and may not have? Even if they were (which you have no way of knowing), you can't ram people in that location. There are people everywhere. At that point, they were chasing a druggie who stabbed his brother not a mass murderer, going off they info they had at the time the Rambo approach in the middle of the CBD is crazy talk.

Unfortunately we don't live in perfect safety. 7 billion people on the planet and they're not all right in the head, but when something bad happens all the armchair experts are out in the force thinking their most simple of explanations after the event would have fixed everything.

think you have just charged into this one therino

i suggest there is a no pursuit policy and so far all  you have done is confirm this

the relevance of the heli is to confirm and prove the police were in attendance in a monitoring only role ,they had been following him and had 2 hrs to act before he was where he was and had performed some sort of attempt at stopping him as thats when his gif left vehicle .

Seems like you are angry because it looks like the police have messed up .

are you in the force (service i like to call it ) ?

Melbourne car attack: Police members hit out at no-pursuit policy in wake of Bourke Street deaths

January 21, 2017
The Victorian coroner will investigate the deaths of four people in a car rampage in Melbourne’s CBD, including the police handling of the incident, and an earlier decision to call off a pursuit before the suspect reached the city. It comes as police members say the contentious no-pursuit policy is leaving police hamstrung and needs a complete overhaul in light of Friday’s attack. Four people died after the driver drove through a busy Bourke Street footpath on Friday afternoon, while 30 people are still being treated for their injuries. One veteran police officer told the ABC the families of those killed and injured had every right to question why police did not do everything they could to stop him earlier. “The no-pursuit policy is a disgrace, it’s cowardly,” he said. “There was ample opportunity to stop him in the two hours before he reached the city, but the order was not to pursue.” Victoria Police called off an initial pursuit of 26-year-old suspect Dimitrious Gargasoulas after police alleged he stabbed his brother in Windsor and took his girlfriend hostage, hours before he reached the city. In 2015, Victorian police officers became subject to new restrictions on conducting pursuits following 13 deaths in five years, but they have since been amended after the change sparked outrage from the Police Association and its members. Despite the changes, the policy remains unpopular. “If it was my family that had been impacted I would be very, very angry,” the veteran officer said. “Victoria Police…more detail


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