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Injera
09 Jan 17 17:17
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38365729

Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. Shocked

Japanese police officers rarely use guns and put much greater emphasis on martial arts - all are expected to become a black belt in judo. They spend more time practising kendo (fighting with bamboo swords) than learning how to use firearms.

"The response to violence is never violence, it's always to de-escalate it. Only six shots were fired by Japanese police nationwide [in 2015],"

The result is a very low level of gun ownership - 0.6 guns per 100 people in 2007, according to the Small Arms Survey, compared to 6.2 in England and Wales and 88.8 in the US.

Wow. Hugely impressive!
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Report scandanavian_haven January 9, 2017 5:20 PM GMT
Gun deaths in the UK are pretty low as well arent they ?
Report donny osmond January 9, 2017 5:28 PM GMT
i mentioned this on here the other day

i doubt it will get much coverage by gun lobby usa
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 5:31 PM GMT
Probably the cleanest country of note in terms of drugs cheating in sport too.

Suicide rate is very high though for a country with so few guns.  Two thirds of the gun deaths in the US are suicides.
Report Injera January 9, 2017 5:37 PM GMT
To underline the taboo attached to inappropriate use of weapons, an officer who used his gun to kill himself was charged posthumously with a criminal offence. He carried out the act while on duty - policemen never carry weapons off-duty, leaving them at the station when they finish their shift.


BBC.

Interesting that here suicide attempts are no longer an offence. I think it should be taught that suicide is selfish and criminal ala murder. Might save a few...tough love but if it helps..

We seem to have done away with any kind of judgement/stigma attached to self harm.
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 5:39 PM GMT
Suicide isn't selfish.  It's a result of mental illness.

It's more selfish to consider suicide selfish imho.
Report scandanavian_haven January 9, 2017 5:39 PM GMT
Suicide rates in Japan and other South East Asian countries are very high I think to do with cultural issues,  they keep their feelings close to their chest and don't like to complain even when in financial trouble, bottled up emotions lead to suicide, and isolation as well for older people, saw a documentary a while back on suicide rates in Japan, called Japan's Suicide Forest or something like that, on youtube.
Report Injera January 9, 2017 5:41 PM GMT
Clyde - I was suicidal 10x a day for months/years. Somehow I made the decision not to do it for ethical reasons. I'm still here.Happy

It's a selfish act.
Report scandanavian_haven January 9, 2017 5:42 PM GMT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FDSdg09df8
Report scandanavian_haven January 9, 2017 5:43 PM GMT
Injera I thought you was quite bright, but that is a very wrong and strange post.
Report jollyswagman January 9, 2017 5:46 PM GMT
i saw a documentary about a japanese man (he was a scientist i think) who was studying in a forest. he came across so many people about to kill themselves or dead bodies in this forest he ended up not worrying about his research but going to the forest purely to try and talk any poor souls about to do themselves in out of their action and to locate bodies so that relatives would find out what had happened to their loved ones. it was incredibly sad to watch.
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 5:50 PM GMT
Imagine if they had guns like the US.  Suicide rate would go through the roof.
Report Injera January 9, 2017 5:52 PM GMT
SH - I feel strongly about suicide. It's a choice no matter how ill one is. A choice to pull the trigger or not to. Noone else is involved. I used to battle with the next 10 minutes. For years..

Countless times I chose to live despite wanting to die. It's a decision made for the greater good. I was on drugs/saw psychiatrists. It was all down to me. What choice would I make. To give in or fight. I chose to fight.

Suicide has become acceptable. It's not. It's wrong. Anyway, off topic...
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 5:52 PM GMT
Suicide was considered a matter of honour in Japan not that long ago.  The opposite of being selfish.
Report A_T January 9, 2017 5:52 PM GMT
6.2 guns per 100 people in England and Wales seems a lot. Must be the mean what's the median?
Report scandanavian_haven January 9, 2017 5:53 PM GMT
If you are not in complete control of your mind/mental state, how is your fault that you kill yourself, it's like people who suffer from psychosis/schizophrenia, when they suffer from psychotic episodes they hear voices in their heads telling them to kill people, they are not in conscious control of what they are doing, and neither are people who commit suicide, depression is a mental health issue as well.
Report Injera January 9, 2017 5:54 PM GMT
Many gun owners will have multiple weapons.
Report Injera January 9, 2017 5:57 PM GMT
Agreed SH but ultimately it's a choice. To take the pills/pull the trigger, jump or to say 'f*** this I'm carrying on'.

I just feel that suicide attempts should be criminalised like they used to be. If it saves a few then good.

It's certainly an epidemic which is tragic. Sad
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 5:59 PM GMT
If these Islamic suicide bombers just killed themselves personally I wouldn't have a problem.  But these nutters are intent on taking innocent people with full lives with them.
Report scandanavian_haven January 9, 2017 6:02 PM GMT
but injera it's not a choice made by a person with their full faculties and what's more, if somebody is at a point in their life where they feel suicidal, do you really want to compound issues by punishing people them further as well when they failed? you are more likely to find people in that state try even harder to make it  work, sorry but it really is such a daft proposition.
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 6:03 PM GMT
Your life is yours.  It's not for other people to pass judgement on it if it doesn't harm them.  It's the passing of judgement that is the selfish act.  Another term for it is bitching.
Report jollyswagman January 9, 2017 6:06 PM GMT
what possible difference would a criminal conviction make to someone on the verge of suicide? its highly unlikely to enter the mind of someone in such a state and if they survived a suicide attempt only to be prosecuted it may send them over the edge again.
Report Injera January 9, 2017 6:07 PM GMT
Deterrent?

As I say, if it saves just one...

What stopped me was the ethical implications. Those left behind. The total failure of giving up and pulling that trigger. The death, the murder of a human being (me).

We seem to have moved away from personal responsibility. Everything is a disease or 'not your fault'.

I recall working on a farm many, many years ago. I was on top of a haystack. The ONLY thing that stopped me from jumping to my death was a sense that it would have been wrong.
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 6:08 PM GMT
That's aside from the fact that suicide is a mental illness.  It takes plenty of courage to pull the trigger imo.  and if you do what does that say about your state of mind?  Then there are those whose life is not worth living like the very sick.
Report TheChaser January 9, 2017 6:11 PM GMT
Japan: one fifth of employees at risk of death from overwork – report

Death in other ways but that gun stat is low do we know how many got ninja killed ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/08/japan-one-fifth-of-employees-at-risk-of-death-from-overwork-report
Report Injera January 9, 2017 6:12 PM GMT
jolly - a suicide takes planning. It takes effort. Organisation. Believe me, it can't just happen and certainly takes initiative! So to suggest the person is powerless and overcome by events is wrong.

Any potential suicidal person makes a choice. All I'm saying to that person is choose a different option. You're stronger than you think..Happy
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 6:15 PM GMT
Injera that is how you felt.  That's your journey and your thoughts and everyone is different.  Just because you felt that way doesn't mean other people should and I strongly disagree. 

If my wife or my kids or my parents were to kill themselves the last thing I would do is think they were selfish, I would just feel very sad that they felt so low.
Report Injera January 9, 2017 6:19 PM GMT
Fair enough Clyde.
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 6:19 PM GMT
Personally, I hope that if I get some debilitating illness I've got the bottle to top myself.
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 6:20 PM GMT
but If I've got something I can fight then I hope I've got the mental strength to stay positive.
Report Injera January 9, 2017 6:23 PM GMT
Choose to.
Report TheChaser January 9, 2017 6:37 PM GMT
Injera 09 Jan 17 18:12 Joined: 04 Jan 03 | Topic/replies: 9,681 | Blogger: Injera's blog
jolly - a suicide takes planning. It takes effort. Organisation. Believe me, it can't just happen and certainly takes initiative! So to suggest the person is powerless and overcome by events is wrong.

Any potential suicidal person makes a choice. All I'm saying to that person is choose a different option. You're stronger than you think..Happy



You made a choice but others could be worse than what you ever imagined who make the other choice
Report Racingqueen January 9, 2017 8:36 PM GMT
The result is a very low level of gun ownership

Laugh Yes all those criminals don't bother with guns cos they know the police only have bamboo sticks
Report Racingqueen January 9, 2017 8:39 PM GMT
Japan: one fifth of employees at risk of death from overwork – report

Good point. Article on bbc the other day regarding employees sleeping in random places during the day in order to work different hours. Sleeping on railway station benches etc....

Modern day slavery
Report Racingqueen January 9, 2017 8:39 PM GMT
Japan: one fifth of employees at risk of death from overwork – report

Good point. Article on bbc the other day regarding employees sleeping in random places during the day in order to work different hours. Sleeping on railway station benches etc....

Modern day slavery
Report Racingqueen January 9, 2017 8:40 PM GMT
didn't think i pressed the button twice Crazy
Report TheChaser January 9, 2017 8:43 PM GMT
I would like to know how many snapped knecks where handed out bu the FEDS
Report TheChaser January 9, 2017 8:45 PM GMT
or necks*
Report jollyswagman January 9, 2017 8:46 PM GMT
who kknows? Grin
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 9, 2017 8:57 PM GMT
Takahashi, 24, had worked more than 100 hours of overtime a month leading up to her death. In September, a labour standards inspection office in Tokyo said she had been driven to kill herself due to stress brought on by long working hours.

Japan has spent years struggling to address karoshi. About 2,000 people a year kill themselves due to work-related stress, according to the government, while other victims die from heart attacks, strokes and other conditions brought on by spending too much time at work.

Weeks before she died on Christmas Day 2015, Takahashi posted on social media: “I want to die.” Another message read: “I’m physically and mentally shattered.”
Report TheChaser January 9, 2017 9:01 PM GMT
The result is a very low level of gun ownership - 0.6 guns per 100 people in 2007, according to the Small Arms Survey, compared to 6.2 in England and Wales and 88.8 in the US.

6.2/100 in England and Wales

So in every Tesco 6 people own pistols i ain't having that
Report charwell. January 10, 2017 12:46 AM GMT
Ownership of 6.2 in every 100 residents is plain nonsense.

We have 1.3 million legal shotguns in the UK but ownership is very concentrated so the estimated number of guns per capita (all firearms) in the UK is 6.6 (according to Wiki) but ownership as a % of population is vastly smaller than that. USA has 112.6 guns per 100 residents and Tunisia 0.1.
Report charwell. January 10, 2017 1:01 AM GMT
Interestingly which country has the highest Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year?

67.18 - Honduras )other SA countries are also v high.

10.54 - USA is higher than Mexico 7.64.

0.23 - United Kingdom

0.06 - Japan
Report Back High Lay Low January 10, 2017 5:44 AM GMT
In Venice pizza delivery comes by boat
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 7:55 AM GMT
I used to aim for 100 hrs overtime a month also.
that was the benchmark because being paid overtime at time and a half that was 150 hrs
and that doubled your pay for that month
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 8:00 AM GMT
different countries use different data for firearms statistics.
it depends how they are collected and you cannot compare one country to another
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 8:11 AM GMT
in America eg the statistics include suicide which account for over 60% of deaths
also it includes guns used in self defence
other countries use different data
Report A_T January 10, 2017 9:59 AM GMT
so in every Tesco 6 people own pistols i ain't having that

mostly farmers and other country types with shotguns

but that leaves the rest of us unable to defend ourselves effectively #trumpgunwetdream
Report A_T January 10, 2017 10:18 AM GMT
includes guns used in self defence

probably hardly any genuine cases of this

oh and indiscriminately shooting black people and other minorities doesn't count
Report CLYDEBANK29 January 10, 2017 10:34 AM GMT
"I used to aim for 100 hrs overtime a month also.
that was the benchmark because being paid overtime at time and a half that was 150 hrs
and that doubled your pay for that month
"

Some people have very demanding jobs.  Others have very easy ones.  I reckon 1 hour in some would easily be as demanding as 7 in another.

I've always though being a train or tube driver is about the cushiest job possible.  Very well paid for it's level of difficulty to boot.

If you are a doctor or a nurse I imagine it's hugely stressful and demanding.  Long hours and on the go mentally almost constantly.
Report TheChaser January 10, 2017 11:20 AM GMT
GP's seem to have cushy numbers now

Any time i have been they just tap  a few buttons on a computer ( maybe google ) and just say yeha try this or that and come back in 4 weeks if it ain't worked Grin

Well i was only after a sick line so that will do just fine Laugh
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 2:27 PM GMT
the best paid jobs are often the easiest.
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 2:28 PM GMT
and many very well paid jobs are little more than semi - skilled
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 2:38 PM GMT
if a job is demanding, and you are getting well paid it is easier, not harder to do long hours.
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 2:50 PM GMT
It is important for young people to work and work long hours if possible is better still.
especially young men. keeps them out of trouble
and it is also better if they nearly all leave school early and start work at 16 or 17.
that us when they start to become human and this only happens at work, preferably in an industry with lots of other people, different ages
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 2:54 PM GMT
it is wonderful to work very long hours when you are young, to have to start work very early and sometimes finish late.
but also to get the rewards for working late, a bonus of an hour or two extra and told to slip away early and out on a Friday night. that's how it works, wonderful.
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 3:28 PM GMT
a person who does not face stress will not survive when he encounters it
consider what happens to a persons strength after he spends a year in bed
it is also good to be exposed to extreme cold sometimes, without a coat
Report Ricky lake January 10, 2017 4:18 PM GMT
So what planet do you live on ???

humourless     victorian attitudes do not reasonate well in 2017

back down the pit please
Report lfc1971 January 10, 2017 4:35 PM GMT
humourless dismissive attitudes towards the Victorians do not resonate well, imo

anyone funny by nature needs to pay special careful attention
that sort of humour rarely looks good

you should try to avoid this habit

imo
Report brain dead jockeys January 10, 2017 6:00 PM GMT
japan is a very unique country
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