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Why wasn't foreign killer turned away at the UK border? Afghan who beheaded Dutch woman is allowed into Britain... where he assaulted a Gatwick staff member and two police officers with a HAMMER
A convicted murderer from Holland was able to walk through Britain’s porous borders without any checks and went on to attack two police officers with a claw-hammer.
Afghan-born Jamshid Piruz was allowed to enter the UK unchallenged despite being sentenced to 12 years in jail for slaughtering his female tenant in cold-blood after watching a Taliban beheading video.
Fury erupted after it emerged that the jobless 34-year-old was the latest in a string of foreign criminals to commit horrific offences in Britain after exploiting EU free movement rules.
MPs condemned the shocking lack of checks on offenders from the EU which left gaping holes in UK border controls.
European countries have no obligation to alert the UK about convictions of murderers or sex offenders, meaning many are able to travel to the UK unhindered.
Outraged critics blasted the embattled Home Office for allowing the scandal, by failing to ensure the authorities were notified about EU convicts before they set foot on our shores.
Politicians have called for Home Secretary Amber Rudd to introduce a tougher US-style warning system to flag up whether any traveller has a conviction as they attempt to enter Britain.
Failure to control the country’s borders – and the number of serious criminals arriving here – was a major reason why millions of people voted for Britain to leave the Brussels bloc last June.
Piruz, who was a permanent Dutch resident, will be sentenced on Friday after pleading guilty to an appalling hammer attack on PC Jessica Chick and PC Stewart Young, of Sussex Police, on January 7 last year.
PC Young was taken to hospital with head injuries but later recovered.
The officers were later praised in Parliament by ministers for their bravery.
Piruz had been in the UK a matter of days when he launched the frenzied assault on the officers as they investigated a burglary in Crawley, West Sussex.
Days earlier he had assaulted a member of staff at Gatwick Airport – but was released onto the streets by local magistrates.
Piruz got into Britain despite being a convicted murderer in Holland. In June 2006, he murdered his Chinese female tenant by cutting off her head at a house in Almere, a city close to Amsterdam.
Court documents in Holland said he was ‘inspired by Taliban movies in which beheadings were seen’.
The files said he locked his victim in her room, snatched her mobile phone, then cut her throat.
They said he acted ‘intentionally and with premeditation’.
Rejecting his plea of insanity, Dutch judges concluded: ‘The killing of the victim was not the result of an instantaneous violent emotion, but a decision to do so.’
Piruz was convicted of murder in August 2007 and sentenced to 12 years’ behind bars.
He was released in 2014, after serving seven years. As a permanent Dutch resident, the killer was allowed to travel freely across the EU.
Last night WED Tory MP Henry Smith, who represents Crawley, said: ‘The country has got to have tougher border controls. Clearly, being a member of the EU did not protect us on this occasion.
‘A very dangerous individual was allowed to travel here without us having prior knowledge that he’d committed murder in the Netherlands.
‘It is staggering that someone could assault staff at Gatwick and then a couple of days later attack two police officers.
‘Why was the information that he was a violent offender not available to us from our EU partners?
This is an appalling example of the kind of people who are getting into the country undetected.’
Piruz pleaded guilty at Hove to two counts of attempting to cause grievous bodily harm with intent, burglary and affray.
Two counts of attempted burglary and one of threatening with an offensive weapon will lie on file.
Simon Blackford, defending, said there was a ‘long gap’ between the murder and the latest offences.
He said: ‘This offence was committed at a time of stress for my client. He was in a foreign country. He seems to have been vulnerable. He seems to have been hallucinating.
‘He was very confused by the vehicles driving on a different side of the road than he was used to.’
When EU nationals arrive at the border, their passport details are checked against a ‘watchlist’ of suspected terrorists and foreign criminals compiled by the border agency.
But unless an offender is high profile, is known to have committed crimes in several countries, or is on the Interpol wanted list, the system is unlikely to be aware of their previous convictions – leaving a gaping hole in our border controls.
Except in the most extreme circumstances, Brussels does not force member states to share information on known criminals who might be planning to travel.
France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Poland flag up potential dangermen to the UK so they can be put on a watchlist and turned away at the port or airport.
But if countries do not warn the UK that a dangerous offender is on the way – and some do not even keep information of convictions for their own internal use – there is little we can do to stop them slipping through the net.
Even if a new arrival does have a known conviction, they cannot automatically be picked up and refused entry.
Normally, a person can be excluded from the UK only if they pose ‘a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat’ to society and the public.
This means that it is not enough for an EU citizen to have a serious criminal conviction – if it is some time in the past, the UK may fall foul of Brussels directives if they refuse to allow that person into the country.
In a bid to tighten up Britain’s borders, the Government has finally negotiated access to the Second Generation Schengen Information System, known as ‘SIS II’, which has details of 250,000 wanted or missing people.
But the system, used by 28 countries, will only issue alerts about the most dangerous on-the-run criminals as well as suspected jihadists returning from Syria and Iraq, missing people and stolen goods.
It will not collate information on the convictions of EU citizens – so someone with a history of offending would not be flagged up to passport control.
A convicted murderer from Holland was able to walk through Britain’s porous borders without any checks and went on to attack two police officers with a claw-hammer.
Afghan-born Jamshid Piruz was allowed to enter the UK unchallenged despite being sentenced to 12 years in jail for slaughtering his female tenant in cold-blood after watching a Taliban beheading video.
Fury erupted after it emerged that the jobless 34-year-old was the latest in a string of foreign criminals to commit horrific offences in Britain after exploiting EU free movement rules.
MPs condemned the shocking lack of checks on offenders from the EU which left gaping holes in UK border controls.
European countries have no obligation to alert the UK about convictions of murderers or sex offenders, meaning many are able to travel to the UK unhindered.
Outraged critics blasted the embattled Home Office for allowing the scandal, by failing to ensure the authorities were notified about EU convicts before they set foot on our shores.
Politicians have called for Home Secretary Amber Rudd to introduce a tougher US-style warning system to flag up whether any traveller has a conviction as they attempt to enter Britain.
Failure to control the country’s borders – and the number of serious criminals arriving here – was a major reason why millions of people voted for Britain to leave the Brussels bloc last June.
Piruz, who was a permanent Dutch resident, will be sentenced on Friday after pleading guilty to an appalling hammer attack on PC Jessica Chick and PC Stewart Young, of Sussex Police, on January 7 last year.
PC Young was taken to hospital with head injuries but later recovered.
The officers were later praised in Parliament by ministers for their bravery.
Piruz had been in the UK a matter of days when he launched the frenzied assault on the officers as they investigated a burglary in Crawley, West Sussex.
Days earlier he had assaulted a member of staff at Gatwick Airport – but was released onto the streets by local magistrates.
Piruz got into Britain despite being a convicted murderer in Holland. In June 2006, he murdered his Chinese female tenant by cutting off her head at a house in Almere, a city close to Amsterdam.
Court documents in Holland said he was ‘inspired by Taliban movies in which beheadings were seen’.
The files said he locked his victim in her room, snatched her mobile phone, then cut her throat.
They said he acted ‘intentionally and with premeditation’.
Rejecting his plea of insanity, Dutch judges concluded: ‘The killing of the victim was not the result of an instantaneous violent emotion, but a decision to do so.’
Piruz was convicted of murder in August 2007 and sentenced to 12 years’ behind bars.
He was released in 2014, after serving seven years. As a permanent Dutch resident, the killer was allowed to travel freely across the EU.
Last night WED Tory MP Henry Smith, who represents Crawley, said: ‘The country has got to have tougher border controls. Clearly, being a member of the EU did not protect us on this occasion.
‘A very dangerous individual was allowed to travel here without us having prior knowledge that he’d committed murder in the Netherlands.
‘It is staggering that someone could assault staff at Gatwick and then a couple of days later attack two police officers.
‘Why was the information that he was a violent offender not available to us from our EU partners?
This is an appalling example of the kind of people who are getting into the country undetected.’
Piruz pleaded guilty at Hove to two counts of attempting to cause grievous bodily harm with intent, burglary and affray.
Two counts of attempted burglary and one of threatening with an offensive weapon will lie on file.
Simon Blackford, defending, said there was a ‘long gap’ between the murder and the latest offences.
He said: ‘This offence was committed at a time of stress for my client. He was in a foreign country. He seems to have been vulnerable. He seems to have been hallucinating.
‘He was very confused by the vehicles driving on a different side of the road than he was used to.’
When EU nationals arrive at the border, their passport details are checked against a ‘watchlist’ of suspected terrorists and foreign criminals compiled by the border agency.
But unless an offender is high profile, is known to have committed crimes in several countries, or is on the Interpol wanted list, the system is unlikely to be aware of their previous convictions – leaving a gaping hole in our border controls.
Except in the most extreme circumstances, Brussels does not force member states to share information on known criminals who might be planning to travel.
France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Poland flag up potential dangermen to the UK so they can be put on a watchlist and turned away at the port or airport.
But if countries do not warn the UK that a dangerous offender is on the way – and some do not even keep information of convictions for their own internal use – there is little we can do to stop them slipping through the net.
Even if a new arrival does have a known conviction, they cannot automatically be picked up and refused entry.
Normally, a person can be excluded from the UK only if they pose ‘a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat’ to society and the public.
This means that it is not enough for an EU citizen to have a serious criminal conviction – if it is some time in the past, the UK may fall foul of Brussels directives if they refuse to allow that person into the country.
In a bid to tighten up Britain’s borders, the Government has finally negotiated access to the Second Generation Schengen Information System, known as ‘SIS II’, which has details of 250,000 wanted or missing people.
But the system, used by 28 countries, will only issue alerts about the most dangerous on-the-run criminals as well as suspected jihadists returning from Syria and Iraq, missing people and stolen goods.
It will not collate information on the convictions of EU citizens – so someone with a history of offending would not be flagged up to passport control.
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We need more people like him in the UK who want to get ahead!
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Seven years for it and then he's out to roam the streets or travel the world? FFS, I mean really. The dutch legal system, envy of the planet.
Wilders had better not say the murderer is some sort of nasty man, they'll take him to court again saying it's "hate speech". We need to "hug a beheader"... |
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Not just the Dutch legal system that is too lax
"Days earlier he had assaulted a member of staff at Gatwick Airport – but was released onto the streets by local magistrates." |
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We need more immigrants to help the economy. Who is going to look after all you oldies in your comfy care homes. There are more and more people needing care. The numbers just keep growning and growing. How will we handle these numbers??
Actually, thinking on, this guy might be the solution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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But who will eventually look after those who will look after us, will we need to bring more in?
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this guy could reduce numbers - quite simply
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where is he now?
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Locked up, as they had no choice eventually. I do not understand how any convicted murderer can get into any country without that country being aware of his/her crime.
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They're still rubbing our noses in Diversity. How lucky we are.
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do we flag up our criminals when they go abroard ?
i think its a two way thing, yet some passports do raise a flag certainly plenty room for improvement |
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Bring them all in, bound to be Labour voters according to Tone,rub the right's nose in diversity he said.
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Tbf Spain has a lot of our top gangsters.
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How can the security guys say Brexit will make us less secure as we'll get less information, if even in the EU only a small amount of countries even track clearly mental beheading nutters themselves, never mind tell other countries about it. It looks like countries like the Netherlands just give these clear risks to other people passports, slap them on the ar** and let them get on with it? It really is head in hands stuff.
And in a few years I'm sure the couple million Merkel has invited in will be getting the same level of untracked free movement. What could possibly go wrong. |
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its something that will need to be covered in brexit negotiations
if we get it right its better for us as is just about everything else we need to negotiate, we can do so many good things if we dont feck it up |
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05 Jan 17 19:16 Tbf Spain has a lot of our top gangsters. I was wondering where TheNorfolkMafia had got to |
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this chap sounds like he would make a great police and crime commissioner.
non eu immmigration is running just as high as ever so the current government dont seem to have much interest in controlling the borders. |
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7 years for beheading someone
 , crazy world. Then even after assaulting staff at Gatwick is free to wander the streets of the UK because he holds a Dutch passport.And people wonder what drove millions of people to vote Brexit. Stories like this are just appalling. |
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Piruz was convicted of murder in August 2007 and sentenced to 12 years’ behind bars.
I've said it before on the polotics forum we should have a similar justice system as the US. Seven years for a beheading? He would never have seen the light of day in the US. What were the Dutch judges thinking about? Thank fck we're out of there soon. |
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There was a Guy living in the same house as me in Holland who had been imprisoned for Cocaine
smuggling by the time he got out he was classed as a Dutch citizen so could claim all the benefits. When he told me I was gobsmacked..There is also a Cafe above a bridge in Den Hague and the owner was given the Cafe as a going concern to stop his criminal activity after regularly ending up inside. They are a lot more Liberal with their views than we are for sure!. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRfluaMKoOY
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How could continuing to exchange this information be part of "Brexit negotiations" if it's not even attempted to be done at the moment when we are full members of the failing incompetent EU.
How hard would it be to add to a computer record attached to any passport if the person has unexpired recent convictions for murder or is a security risk etc? They just don't seem to attempt it. It should have been mandatory before they introduced Schengen, not even something they might add as an afterthought a couple decades letter. The EU are incompetent, only thing they seem good at is lining up their own expenses and pensions. |
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By they I mean the vast majority of countries not listed in the article, which says "some do not even keep information of convictions for their own internal use". If they don't even know themselves they can't even begin to tell us.
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guys like him give the morning line a bad name
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