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Barton Bank
04 Jan 17 18:38
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Am looking at visiting Australia and New Zealand in November and December 2017 to coincide with the Ashes cricket and the Rugby League World Cup. Have been to Oz before but never had the chance to visit New Zealand. Will probably have between 10 days and 2 weeks to do New Zealand.
Other than Milford Sound and Wellington which I have down as must visits, anywhere you would recommend? By the way, I don't drive so looking at travelling by train/air.
Apologies for the thinly veiled "I'm going on holiday" thread.

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By:
TheBaron
When: 04 Jan 17 18:58
Sorry but unless it concerns Moslems, Nigel Farage or non whites/foreigners committing crimes you're in the wrong place.
By:
Ozymandius
When: 04 Jan 17 18:59
Great place.  I think the South Island is generally accepted to be the more senic, I never made it to the north island..

Try to book in for the Milford Track if you are fit and mobile enough.

Queenstown is great fun but may be targeted at a younger, more active age group.

I haven't been but imagine the Marlborough wine region and Nelson would be worth a trip.

It's nearly 20 years since Ii was there, but not a great train network in the South Island. My impression is that its one of those countries that its handy to have a car to get around, could be wrong.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 04 Jan 17 20:16
Cheers for the replies.
Not sure what level of fitness is required for the Milford Track. Am 41 and reasonably fit (play squash a few times a week and did the Sandstone Trail (36 miles over 2 days) a couple of years ago). Main concern for me would be an uneasiness with heights. As long as I am not walking along cliff faces I wll probably be OK. Hopefully the trains will have improved but if not I might have some expensive taxi fares!
By:
Angoose
When: 04 Jan 17 20:20
Can't you saddle up on yourself and ride around the country Happy
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 04 Jan 17 20:25
If you like horse racing there is a lovely little track in Auckland, Ellerslie Park. Rotorua is worth a visit, you get used to the smell of sulphur and there is lots of things to do and see. I spent a couple of months based in Auckland after a year in Australia, it was OK but not a place I'd ever care to go to again.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 04 Jan 17 20:39
Everyone I have spoken to who has been to both (which only amounts to 3 people) has told me that Auckland is not that exciting and that Wellington is great. Have just googled Rotorua. I like the look of it. Cheers.
By:
Joel
When: 04 Jan 17 23:31
If you like train travel the Tranzalpine Route from Christchurch is pretty good. There's not much in Greymouth so you can either do the return journey in the same day, or catch buses to Queenstown or some of the glaciers.
By:
zorrostrikes
When: 05 Jan 17 02:25
watched Xena and Hercules a lot... does that count.
By:
Badsworth
When: 05 Jan 17 09:14
If you get as far North as Auckland it's worth doing a coach trip to Cape Reinga & along 90 Mile Beach.
By:
Fenway
When: 05 Jan 17 09:26
I'll let you know sometime in February. I'm going there for the first time in a fortnight :)
By:
Ozymandius
When: 05 Jan 17 09:29
Milford track will be no bother to you Barton and you will love Queenstown.  Sorry, I had you alliteratively confused with anther older poster, Burton Brewers.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 05 Jan 17 09:53
I was there around 1993 - so I am sure much has changed.  I spent some time hitch-hiking and then tagged along with some other Brits who had hired a car.

I spent most time in South Island.  Even then Auckland just felt like any other small city.

The country and the people were great.  I was about the highlights for me were tandem sky dive, bungee jump, black water rafting, ski-ing for a day with (no proper clothing), jet boat ride, a girl I met in Christchurch,  the art deco town of Napier, the TranzAlpine railway, including stopping at a hostel at Arthur's Pass where it was COLD.  I didn't do any tramping as I think they call hiking, but did do a walk over a glacier which was scary.  I also took in a Lions game while in Christchurch.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 05 Jan 17 16:01
Cheers agan folks. Had a look at the Milford Track and if I can book a place at the right time I am definitely going to do it as it looks absolutely fantastic. Tranzalpine railway is probably a goer as well. Enjoy it and don't forget to report back, Fenway.
By:
ZenMaster
When: 05 Jan 17 18:14
Hi Barton

Rotorua is a perfect place to take in if you are only in NZ for 10 days. Interesting Maori experiences and the volcanic mud pools, take an outside hot tub.
Also take in Taupo, south of Roturua, the Lake is beautiful.

You need to take in both islands so split it. 5 days north, 5 days south. For me, i preferred the South Island for activities.

On the South Milford Sounds seems perfect for what you want, Queenstown is the place for bungee jumps, jet boats etc. Take in a  dolphin swim in Kaikoura with beautiful panoramic mountain views.

You will love NZ Barton, but i would be tempted to hire a car. I bought a one for 6 weeks and sold it on when i went. It's the best way to see the place.

Enjoy.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 05 Jan 17 19:26
Cheers Zen. Might extend it to more like a couple of weeks. Nothing is booked yet and as long as I am in Australia in time for the RL World Cup final/Brisbane Test I can possibly bring the start forward a few days to see more of New Zealand. Will have a look at Rotorura and probably add it to the list. Milford Sound definitely. Will visit Queenstown. Bungee jumping isn't for me but would be happy to have a go at Jet Boating/Kayaking.
Reason I am not going to hire a car is because I don't drive. So would need to hire a chaffeur as well which I suspect would be more costly than taking cabs when the public transport won't cut the mustard.
By:
Smoky Hill
When: 05 Jan 17 20:24
I've been to NZ 3 times over the years.  If you don't drive then get a bus pass, they have an excellent service like our National Express.  Here is a link..

http://www.intercity.co.nz/travel-info/route-map/

which gives you a map and access to all the other info on the site.   I've travelled by bus from Rotorua in the north to Mt Cook and Queenstown in the south, crossing on the Picton ferry..  and back again.  I've also got local flights which are very good.

There are problems in NZ,  Druggies exist, be careful where you go, they have the usual social youth problems and the grass isn't always greener..

Otherwise, have a great time.
By:
Try My Best
When: 05 Jan 17 20:32
I'd stay in Oz for another 2 weeks.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 05 Jan 17 20:46
Cheers for that link, SH. That's very helpful.
Druggies any worse than UK for example?

Try my Best, you mean instead of going to NZ? Have been to Oz before and whilst I really want to take in some of the sporting action and also visit Perth I definitely want to experience NZ as well. You don't rate it?
By:
Try My Best
When: 05 Jan 17 20:53
Just a personal view mate but no I don't. Hope you have a great time if you go.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 05 Jan 17 20:57
Fair enough, ta.
By:
Smoky Hill
When: 05 Jan 17 21:39
BB - Wellington mostly, just be careful.  The museums are free and you can get all sorts wandering in, as we found out.  They should charge a token dollar on entry.

Great views from Mt Victoria at night, fantastic, but again..druggies or drunks in the vicinity.    Don't go alone.

As a tourist you get about and see a lot, so it happens..  but don't worry about it, you may never notice... just enjoy the scenery and the maori culture, that's what it's all about really, and the hotels are pretty good, we had fabulous breakfasts like nowhere else for the money, but there isn't a huge amount to do in NZ if you're not into sailing/boating, it's made for that kind of outdoor activity.

I got a scheduled flight over Mt Cook and Fox Glacier... terrific views, like a different planet. I'll never forget it, and don't be alarmed if you see a Weta, they're harmless creatures.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 05 Jan 17 21:57
Just googled Weta. Hope I do see one. They look ace. Got no experience of handling boats or sailing craft but am up for having a go if I am not trying to do so single handed! That flight sounds awesome.
By:
Just Checking
When: 05 Jan 17 22:11
NZ is often called the adventure sports capital of the world but if you try anything (from wimpy level white water rafting to parachuting while drunk) just make sure your insurance covers it, they may have clauses or an add on charge if you get hurt doing anything they consider "risky".
By:
Just Checking
When: 05 Jan 17 22:20
There is Whale Watching at Kaikoura. Kaikoura sits right beside a deep undersea cliff just offshore which is why the deep sea whales being so close are the tourist thing.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 07 Jan 17 17:38
Thanks for the heads up JC.
By:
The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE
When: 08 Jan 17 04:33
Dunedin is great.
By:
ged
When: 08 Jan 17 15:02
In Auckland, you can get tickets that are valid for about 3 days that let you take trips on boats that go from island to island around the bay. You can jump off one, and get on a subsequent boat a few hours later. One of the islands is Rangitoto - it's an extinct(?) volcano - you can climb to the top if you want. Another island in the bay is Titi Tiri Matanga (a separate tour) - which has plenty of birdlife - you land on the island in a group, and get a guided tour. Make sure your walking boots are clean when you enter NZ, otherwise they'll be taken off you, and leave your pet rat at home.

We got the Overlander train from Wellingon to Auckland - takes all day - has a special coach at one end to relax and take pics from - very scenic, until the last hour or so when it gets close to Auckland.

Went to Trentham Gardens (at Little Hut, near Wellington) for their big day's racing in January. Sounds like you'll miss that. But if racing's on there, it's a very easy, and scenic train ride from Wellington, and the train station (at Little Hut) is right by the course.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 08 Jan 17 17:21
Ged, Titi Tiri Matanga trip sounds interesting to me. Did you see any Kiwis (bird version) whilst you were there> I wasn't totally sure I was going to go to Auckland but am warming to the idea, particularly as I could combine it with the semi final of the Rugby League World Cup.

The Kamikazee, will have a look at Dunedin as well. Might end up extending it another week or so at this rate!
By:
ged
When: 08 Jan 17 17:39
No, no kiwis. Not easy to see, in general. Zealandia (in Wellington) might be a place to see them, not sure. But if you go down Dunedin way, I'd recommend getting out to the Otago peninsular, where you can get a boat trip out into the channel where the albatrosses wing back at the end of the day. They'll come in right back over your head, before angling back over their nests to land (taking a few goes to get it right, gradually knocking off the speed). A great sight.
By:
ged
When: 08 Jan 17 17:42
...the latter would need to be the right time of year of course. January was good. December may be too early - you'd need to check when they are nesting.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 08 Jan 17 17:43
That sounds tremendous, will look into it further. I believe I could see Kiwis in the wild on Stewart Island but obviously it is a remote location if it doesn't pay off.
By:
ged
When: 08 Jan 17 17:48
Got a couple of names a bit wrong..

It's Tiritiri Matangi, and Lower Hutt, not Little Hut. (Little Hut was the dam of Habitat !)
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 08 Jan 17 17:54
new zealand come to me in 2 legs of new zealand lamb
By:
Just Checking
When: 08 Jan 17 17:57
They do a thing called a helicopter hike if short of time or energy - you get flown up the glacier with a guide (avoiding the difficult "walk up a mountain" bit) then walk around the glacier a bit, then jump back on and get brought home. Depends if you feel ok flying in helicopters mind you :) Most people have never been in one so that in itself is an experience.
By:
Just Checking
When: 08 Jan 17 18:00
You should maybe buy the rough guide/lonely planet new zealand? Even just the kindle one and use the reader if you don't have one, if you don't want to carry a book, if you're taking a tablet or laptop. Do they do a kindle phone app .. looks like they do. Might not be much fun on a small phone, but a tip is probably to change the orientation.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 08 Jan 17 18:23
Have been in a helicopter in New York. Am fine with helicopters as long as there is no prospect of having to jump out of them at any stage. Yeah, will definitely buy one of those. I don't mind carrying the book, they aren't that heavy and I will have a rucksack. My laptop will be staying in the UK, far too heavy.
By:
Barton Bank
When: 08 Jan 17 18:28
Good racing knowledge, Ged.
By:
Just Checking
When: 08 Jan 17 18:38
LOL just remembered you can visit things like the Lord of The Rings hobbit village as it was filmed there. And even have a banquet in hobbiton!

http://www.hobbitontours.com/our-tours/evening-banquet-tour/

LaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
Barton Bank
When: 08 Jan 17 19:10
I am enough of a Tolkein fan to actually do that! As long as it doesn't involve travelling a massive distance to go somewhere where there's nothing else I want to do.
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