Do people die for unexplained reasons?

There will be an underlying cause , most probably. However people can just randomly die, see sudden death syndrome etc. And at 40+ especially nobody is safe against a heart attack.

Yes, and in most cases there is no post-mortem so the death certificate is basically just a doctor's best guess.

for commercial reasons.

I thought if you had not seen a doctor, within the last of your life, there had to be a post-mortem

If you die anywhere else but a hospital I thought there had to be a post mortem. I was told that when my Dad passed away 17 years ago but I can't remember by whom.

He's had a PM, I'm guessing they are struggling to find a medical term for death by lifestyle.

Let the conspiracy theories begin

This link explains the circumstances under which a post-mortem (aka autopsy) is called for and undertaken.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-mortem/pages/introduction.aspx

When post-mortems are carried out

A post-mortem examination will be carried out if it's been requested by:

    a coroner – because the cause of death is unknown, or following a sudden, violent or unexpected death
    a hospital doctor – to find out more about an illness or the cause of death, or to further medical research and understanding

A post-mortem examination into the cause of George Michael's death was "inconclusive" police have said.

The star died aged 53 on Christmas Day at his home in Goring-on-Thames, Oxfordshire.

More tests will now be carried out to determine what led to his death, Thames Valley Police said in a statement. The results of these tests are unlikely to be known for several weeks.

Michael's death is still being treated as unexplained but not suspicious.

The post-mortem examination took place on Thursday.

So simply, the examination was unable to find conclusive evidence so they'll try again.

Clearly, the doc had a pressing engagement at Alexandra Palace and will wait until the darts are done and dusted before concluding that GM suffered a "massive" heart attack.

Presumably in George Michael's case they will have established what he died of but can't conclusively state, off the cuff, why that condition occurred so they have sent samples off to the lab for further analysis.
... and it's probably private and none of anyone's business unless next-of-kin make a statement.

Never heard of a "private" cause of death at a post mortem.

Cause of death is always the same, lack of breath

Cause of death is a lack of oxygen to the brain, not the heart stopping but isn't time of death a touchy subject?

Oxygen to the brain is supplied by oxygenated blood, supplied by a pumping heart.

Until you meet a sexy chick, then it is diverted elsewhere

Angoose - your stupid post at 22.10 was elegantly and (unnecessarily imo) politely answered by Clouseau, yet still you post fluent bo llocks with an elementary attempt at humour just 12 minutes later.

Elementary attempts at humor are the best I can do, I'm afraid, get's even worse when I'm jumping around trying to follow several sporting events.

I'll try and pull my socks up though

What is death?

Can you clone me from my blood cells many years after I die and would I be the same person?

I've passed my genes along with my wife's to my kids am I still alive?

What is life?

Great questions but difficult questions, I hope we find the answer.

Angoose - Contrition is admirable, and should be applauded. 

nb - I'm all for humour, but the background to this thread is that some bloke died.

Dec 30, 2016 -- 9:31PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:

for commercial reasons.

Spot on , Michael's manager, Michael Lippman ( not Dr. Lippman note ) , said the singer had died of heart failure, he was quick in with that one

Being serious now...

For clarification, there IS a difference between a heart attack and a cardiac arrest. A heart attack just stops the supply of blood to the heart and starts killing off the muscle tissue whereas a cardiac arrest is where the heart actually stops.

FYI only

one can still function having a heart attack but they need to act quickly

For clarification, there IS a difference between a heart attack and a cardiac arrest. A heart attack just stops the supply of blood to the heart and starts killing off the muscle tissue whereas a cardiac arrest is where the heart actually stops.

And both can be catastrophic at home. If your ticker is going to pack up, it is best to do it in hospital surrounded by highly trained staff with the right drugs and equipment.

I had a heart attack at home Ramruma. At first I thought it was food poisoning but it was clear something wasn't right. Phoned 999 and they were at my home in double-quick time. Apparently I had 6 hours to live but that was sufficient time to deal with the situation. At least with a heart attack you have a chance.

Do people die for unexplained reasons?


Yes.  However far more people live for unexplainable reasons.

I had a heart attack in the perfect place, after 16 days of sitting in front of the computer working on the World Snooker for 12 hours plus per day, I had what I first thought was indigestion, had been like it for two days, so after snooker finished (priorities eh?) went to hospital to get it checked, was part worried about what it might be and also worried that if it was indigestion about wasting their time.

They did some tests in A&E then about 3 hours later while attached to machine giving out the readings and being handed over to the nurses on the cardiac ward, I remember the nurse saying " this patient is in cardiac arrest".

I have a friend who is a paramedic and afterwards he said that the reason many people die from heart attacks is because they fail to recognise the symptoms and get help, like above food poisoning or thinking it is indigestion.

and also worried that if it was indigestion about wasting their time.

The rule of thumb is that ANY chest pain call 999 immediately, regardless! I have been told that countless times now. They would rather know you're ok than you thinking you're ok. With chest pain you are NOT wasting their time.

However...

I had a second heart-attack which felt just like a back ache; I had no chest pains at all just this dull pain in the middle of my back. I suffered this for 2 days before calling 999. The hospital were not happy with me for delaying the call.

A relative of mine's wife died from sudden death syndrome.  He just woke up on morning and his wife was dead and the coroner could provide no explanation.  He says that because there was no explanation he carries round with him the fear that other people think he killed her. Bit similar to cot death I guess.

trebor, I hoped after 192 hours in 16 days and a heart attack, that you at least made profit

Do people die of unexplained causes? Well Friends of Hillary most certainly do!


http://www.govtslaves.info/comprehensive-clinton-body-count-list/

Just for those who can`t be bothered to go to the link, here`s the gist of it;



`...Below is a comprehensive list of 48 mysterious deaths connected to the clintons that have grave implications.

1 – James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 – Vince Foster – Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

5 – C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992… Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor.”

7- Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

11- Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death

19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21- Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee, died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

23 – Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

24 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

25- Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

26 – Kevin Ives and Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the two boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.



THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

27 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.

28 – Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

29 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

30 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

31 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to “natural causes.”!!!

34 – Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36 – Major William S. Barkley Jr. 37 – Captain Scott J. Reynolds 38 – Sgt. Brian Hanley 39 – Sgt. Tim Sabel 40 – Major General William Robertson 41 – Col. William Densberger 42 – Col. Robert Kelly 43 – Spec. Gary Rhodes 44 – Steve Willis 45 – Robert Williams 46 – Conway LeBleu 47 – Todd McKeehan

48 -World-renowned “space economist” Molly Macauly was brutally murdered in Baltimore park.

49-John Ashe- The former President of the UN General Assembly was awaiting trial on bribery charges when he turned up dead in June, apparently having crushed his own windpipe while lifting weights in his home…

50-Victor Thorn-Prominent CLINTON Critic VICTOR THORN Found Dead Of Apparent Suicide On His Birthday

51-Seth Rich-Still No Clues in Murder of DNC’s Seth Rich, As Conspiracy Theories Thicken

53-Shawn Lucas-Death of DNC Lawsuit Processor...`



As we can see, friends of Hilary commit suicide and die in plane crashes at a frightening rate. And 12 dead bodyguards! What suicide/plane/car crash strike-rate do you have with your friends? Mine is not like hers!