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ignoring the idiots in our northern territories any MP voting against triggering article 50 should be de-selected, say goodbye to
clegg cooper farron smith etc etc |
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they will be
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this boat has sailed, you won, get over it.
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not so fast, not until we are out of Europe and free trade and immigration are stopped
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don't trust the leftists and liberals and remainers, none of them have left Britain yet
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Gina Miller's still up to her tricks
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52 people tell 48 people what to do, what they should think, what they should say,
who they let into the Country,after all you're in charge now we should shut up and let you run the whole show.Good luck with your plan. |
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Might well end up being on the right side of history yet.
Was speaking to a politics lecturer over Christmas and he seemed to think that actually triggering Article 50 didn't mean we will end up leaving the EU. He thought it would be triggered but we still actually wouldn't end up leaving. The referendum result itself is not binding. The French didn't follow the results of their Maastricht referendum in the 90s because they thought it wasn't in their country's interests and he felt history would repeat itself. Negotiations will be highly complex and we may not be able to strike a deal in our country's interests, that the complexity will mean it will spill over to the next parliament, which may well be a hung parliament with a different mandate. |
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probably a communist
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I don't think politics in this country would survive another betrayal after the expenses scandal. A50 has to be followed through.
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The fact that only Ireland, France and Denmark held referendums on the Maastricht Treaty ratification is astounding as it was a complete change of contract with state relationships and the onset of the European Union.
France voted 51% for by the way. By the way Breeding mad, TMay and Hammond are the new Cameron and Osbourne, all Remainers. So in fact the Remainers are still in charge and you still aren't happy. As the saying goes " How do you know when a plane full of Remainers has landed? the engines are turned off but you can still hear it whining!" |
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I said that I thought if the Tory's thought they could cling on to power whilst remaining in the EU they would, but that I thought that it would damage their share of the vote too much, and therefore they will go ahead with it in this parliament because it increases their chances of clinging on to power. I didn't know the subject well enough to argue with him, just said what I instinctively feel.
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Whatever a deal has to be negotiated which will be highly complex. We won't just accept a deal because of the referendum result if the terms of the deal are a stitch up.
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I have noticed in the real world not online, that those who voted Brexit
seem to have shut up not a squeak out of them.. maybe they are embarrassed as it looks more and more like a a stupid decision especially in the present World economic climate.Brexiters seem to think it is some sort of competition they have won but they don't want to collect the prize in case they don't like it or are afraid the prize isn't a prize at all.. |
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Spot on breedingmad.
You only have to look at the faces of Gove and Johnson the morning after the vote. They were stunned that leave won and had the look of men who didn't have a clue what came next. |
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Why would we accept a deal if the terms and conditions are a stitch up? that is not what anyone voted for.
The A50 process is merely the divorce settlement were compromise for both sides is thrashed out. At the moment we are hearing what pompous politicians on both sides are inferring. The actual deal will be complex like the Canadian one, but it will be bespoke for the UK. |
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You only have to look at the faces of Gove and Johnson the morning after the vote. They were stunned that leave won and had the look of men who didn't have a clue what came next.
This is a great argument, it really is......."you only have to look t the faces........"  |
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This word "Hard Brexit" basically just means Brexit, there's nothing Hard
about it, people full well knew it meant coming out of the single market, i doubt anyone voted for Brexit thinking we might be staying in the single market |
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I don't buy this complexity argument.
We're leaving. The only deal that needs agreement is terms of trade, which has a fallback of WTO rules - I don't see why that should be so disastrous given that these guidelines apply already to (e.g) China which has a significant trading relationship with the EU. Looks to me the last desperate attempt by 'remain' to scare people off leaving. |
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"people full well knew it meant coming out of the single market"
I bet quite a high percentage didn't have a fecking clue |
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plenty would struggle to name the prime minister
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50% of the country probably couldn't even tell you roughly where Birmingham is on a UK map
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Everything is complexed with the EU Room 0182, one thing is certain, there will be complexity.
However we need to stand firm and the EU drama queens will soon get the message. |
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You could say the same thing for Remain voters CLYDE.
Remember Holly the Remain activist who thought leaving the EU meant we'd no longer be able to travel to Europe & we'd also lose the NHS |
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I think the E.U know we are a bunch of xenophobic backward looking whingers
who have no idea what the hell we are doing or what sort of future we are after.. |
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Yes Zen, let me rephrase.
The complexity/difficulty of the process shouldn't be an excuse not to leave. If the EU decide to play silly b*ggers over trade, we can just smile and wait for WTO rules to kick in after 2 years. |
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Totally agree Room 0182, reforming of the EU internally is far more complex. The Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties are nigh on unreadable.
Complexity is nothing new, it's just that we have the Remainers jumping up and down about it now. |
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So our WTO agreement would be tariff free as stated by Brexiters?
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Tariffs work both ways, so depending on the weight of business from both sides will decide on the outcome of the tariffs.
There will be a bespoke deal with the UK, that much is certain. EU business leaders will be nervous as well. |
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There's no obligation to impose tariffs under WTO rules, just an upper limit.
Don't recall anyone ever suggesting WTO was tariff free. |
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Thank you you put it so simplistically you make it sound like this Brexit trade lark is
a piece of cake no problems there then!.. |
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Sad that you sound like you hope there will be.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-tariff-free-trade-uk-eu-belgium-ceta-canada-chris-grayling-transport-secretary-a7376371.html
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Not sure I understand the point of that link.
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Paul Joseph Watson @PrisonPlanet 11m11 minutes ago
Saying 2016 was the "worst year ever" because some people you never knew died & you were defeated politically is incredibly stupid. |
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60% of our trade is with the E.U. if we sever access to the single market
to keep the xenophobes happy where do we pick up the trade we lose? |
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It's 44%.
We won't lose access to the single market, we just won't be in it. Just like every other non EU country in the world. |
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At least we can look forwards to hundreds more unelected Bureaucrats paid
thousands a week to untangle us from the unelected Brussels overpaid Bureaucratic regime |
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there is no need for Britain to trade tariff free with any European country, or even any need to trade with them at all.
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