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Been reading an article from a medieval history scholar (Thomas Madden -2005) who derides the popular liberal concept that the Crusades were a decision by Pope Urban in 1095 as some sort of power grab. In Mohammed's time Mecca was a christian centre which may explain why he left Mecca to worship freely in medinah. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world,areas such as Syria,Egypt,Palestine,etc. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html?start=2
Are we facing the need for a similar reaction,albeit at a more confusing pattern ?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/52.0.html?start=2
Are we facing the need for a similar reaction,albeit at a more confusing pattern ?
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and this old christian world estabished itself when and how
palestine was under british rule in 1945 look at some world maps of 1900 and think again |
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Street Life was my favourite of theirs.
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Palestine fell under the tender and loving care of Turkey prior to WW1 donny,we couldn't wait to get rid of the area in 1948.
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apologists are everywhere these days
mention the cult in any critical way and it will be a hate crime not long till that day |
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but it was under british rule in 1945
have you been on the sherry tonite treetop ? |
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Arguably the Crusades never stopped - just morphed into something different, be it British or French rule. A combination of the post-war liberal-socialist decolonization-mania combined with soaring birth-rates and the refusal of empire surveyors to acknowledge religious or tribal boundaries has led to the present disaster. Slaughter and ethnic/religious cleansing might lead to sustainable communities - but religious maniacs and empire builders on all sides wont make that 'easy'. And Christianity is a minor player this time.
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The need for a similar reaction is maybe taking it a bit too far. The enemy hardly has any military and we have invited them in ourselves. So unless we plan on invading ourselves I dont see how we can crusade more than we are already doing!
Let's assume the western nations get together and decide crusades are required again. Where do we start? We are already present in Iraq and Afghanistan. We fund the conflict in Syria so its not like the Syrian army is a threat to Europe. Saudi Arabia is our favorite muslim ally AND bombing Yemen(though Yemen isn't a threat to us anyways). Lebanon, Jordan and the gulf states are too small to be any threat. We've already bombed the hell out of Libya. This covers the middle east and N. Africa well enough. The only two muslim countries that have a strong military are Pakistan and Turkey. And we aren't touching either of them anytime soon, as their neighbors in China and Russia will not take it lightly. Pakistan is too strong to be invaded without consequences. And looking at it geographically, I dont see how Pakistan can be a threat to us but if we can call Afghanistan a threat, im sure justifying an attack on Pakistan wont be hard. Basically what we need today is the people to stand up against the govts and ask them what's up. And I don't see that happening. The best shot we have is voting someone else in the elections and at the end of the day, they are also politicians. |
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People are beginning to ask what's up, even in Germany. Happy Christmas to you and yours detraveller.
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Why on earth do we need a Crusade.
 It is because of our interference in the Middle East that Muslims are now in Europe. If we just stayed out of the Middle East we would not be having the trouble we are having now |
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High birth rates leading to overpopulation in semi-arid countries that can't support the numbers, combined with religious, ethnic and resource wars is why they are flooding to Europe. The whole of the Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Gabon, Nigeria, Mali - you name it. Who wouldn't? Europe - 7% of the world's population and 58% of social/benefit/welfare spending. They will stop coming when conditions/prospects here are not much better than where they came from.
I'd advise you to stop giving money to all the charities that fight famine and disease in Africa and Asia - but since most of that goes to the salaries and pensions of the educated middle class that run these organizations, it would make little difference. |
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The problem with that Bodil..
Is that the poor will always emigrate to richer area, which is of course the West. The only way to stop this is to find a way of encouraging wealth in the poorer countries of the World. Only then will they stop coming here. Unfortunately a lot of our politicians and economists think the more immigration we take in our societies the more we will benefit, I am not convinced they are right. I think people should stay where they are, but we will have to help them to do that. |
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As the poor countries empty they will become unviable, we might be able to buy a few.
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Worry not ebul - sooner or later we will supply an answer to overpopulation. I believe they're testing the beta version in Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Ethiopia, Iraq and Somalia , soon to be released worldwide. Oh, it already has been.
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We actually didn't have to do much. All we needed to do was stay out of the american warmongering and have a system of taking in immigrants, where it is not that difficult to filter out the good ones or the skilled ones(like we've always done). But since we are enslaved to the americans, we have no choice but to commit troops.
Sadly there are people who think they hate us because the cult tells them to. If you ever go live with them, you'll realize they hardly follow the cult that people think orders them to kill infidels. Germany has 3 million turkish migrants, which started when we asked for labor in the 60s. I dont remember any Turk blowing himself up. You wonder why they are not interested in the 72 virgins and paradise. its because its all nonsense. As I always say, any idiot protesting the bombings or the attacks should have been out on the streets when we were bombing(and continue to) muslim countries. But they didn't. And now that the war has come home, people are wondering who to blame. What really did people expect we'd get after we bombed those countries? |
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But war has come and it's time we made a few "knowns" disappear, all's fair in love and war.
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Thanks detraveller - I thought I might have been slightly too intoxicated to appreciate your first post. Your second has shown you to be well meaning but 'confused.' Brace yourself for what's coming.
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As to why they stil want to come here when they hate us so bad, its because anyone with a decent brain would take the free money we are handing out to asylum seakers. Remember all you have to do is throw away your passport and claim a country that is currently at war.
I do think they have killed the hen that was laying the golden eggs for them now(is that how you say it in english?). Either they all go back to their countries and their ways, or they make Europe their country and live their way. And I don't think we can send them back, as we experienced with the berlin guy |
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We can't send them back because of the f**king human rights lawyers. If we sent them back with the f**king human rights lawyers to fight from their countries of origin, I expect we'd have a lot more success. Ethnicity/political persuasion of these human rights lawyers? Change is coming.
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o u fecked me right in the hole sale bodil i'd written so much crap and now i cant bother typing.
Goodnight  |
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So I used my superpowers and recovered the text that you double space ate up:
I worked at the migrants first point of entry in Germany for one year. Sep 2015 - 2016. I have talked to many of them and trust me, the reason for not integrating is not because they want to spread their religion. Its because they hate us because we bomb their countries. Simple as that. Its a fact, not my opinion. Those in UK will disagree and i dont blame them as they do have a bigger issue than us, minus the recent migrants. And the common point in all their talk is America and how the americans bomb their countries. And we join in. If it wasn't for the seas, they'd happily migrate to America(provided they were handing out asylums like us). As it happens, we are easier to approach and we have to clean up the american mess. As for sending them back, you cant send anyone back without proper documetns because their original countries never take them back. They have no legal obligation to accept anyone who doesn't hold their passport. |
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We can't send them back because they have no documents? And who says that? Their lawyers - who we pay to say that. They hate us but they want to live here - preferably without us?
Well, a solution is slowly emerging, Europe-wide. It wont be pretty but it will hasten integration. If you don't like our way of life, then go back home. Not unreasonable? It is largely(post-colonialism)not our fault you've screwed your countries up. |
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. Its because they hate us because we bomb their countries.
I agree with that detraveller. What else would you expect them to do??? I think he West has to act with far greater integrity dealing with the Middle East, than it has up until now. If we invade a country and start killing the population, we create more hate, more enemies, more terrorists. |
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The Afghan and Iraq wars were always going to come back and bite us. Add to that our support of the wretched 'Arab Spring'....
Since when did blokes in pick up trucks with Ak47s represent positive change? Then of course we have mass immigration. Any forceful put down of a certain ethnic group would have to start in Newham, Bradford, Luton and all stations north, east south and west. No appetite for that. We've lost our identity anyway so are not a fiercely proud Christian nation anymore. There's a sleepwalking to disaster affect across Europe. Even Australia has foiled a plot today... I still reckon terrorism is the least of our worries. The tick tock affect of the birth rate of our visitors is the real danger... How we need a Monarch to defend the Faith.. |
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This is a clash of civilisations.
The only solution is to ban Islam. |
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Injera is right;the biggest danger is the birth rate ;in a few decades time this country will be swamped.
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but that's RAAAAAY CYST they cry
but it's not it is a cult so it is CULTIST what is it about cults someone shouted at me the other day and called me a cult  |
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have you been on the sherry tonite treetop ?
'twas Jamesons finest donny ! Not that my taste buds were functioning too well by then. |