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I must admit the sight of grayling harrumphing on tv is a gain in itself but what's actually going on with these here trains then?
Having no vested interest directly in the transport system I only take fleeting glances into the issues, but no matter how many MPs I see calling out unions or staticians working out the effect on the economy from days lost I can never feel these strikes to be wrong.
If the operation of a healthy transport system is so important to a healthy economy then should it be picked off bit by bit by continued money saving activities like getting rid of workers?
How thread bare do they want it? What's next, no drivers, no windows or lighting inside?
You have to feel for the poor buggers who have to use those bloody trains to commute everyday, I wouldn't mind if they were holiday makers out for pleasure, but they are only trying to get to work ffs like pressed labour.
Having no vested interest directly in the transport system I only take fleeting glances into the issues, but no matter how many MPs I see calling out unions or staticians working out the effect on the economy from days lost I can never feel these strikes to be wrong.
If the operation of a healthy transport system is so important to a healthy economy then should it be picked off bit by bit by continued money saving activities like getting rid of workers?
How thread bare do they want it? What's next, no drivers, no windows or lighting inside?
You have to feel for the poor buggers who have to use those bloody trains to commute everyday, I wouldn't mind if they were holiday makers out for pleasure, but they are only trying to get to work ffs like pressed labour.
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usually it because management want cuts of some form and try to get way more than in hope they can negotiate down a little.
the unions then normally react by going the other way. get used to it....will be a hell of a lot more post brexit. |
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The irony is the people who suffer day in day out with the failings of a transport system are the very ones that have the misfortune of having to use it.
Implying, as governments do, that everything is fine because strike action is frowned upon or actually ruled unlawful is simply papering over the cracks that exist as a result of not treating a 'service' as just that, but rather another opportunity for direct profiteering. |
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thats what makes britain "great"...profiteering
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Ideally it would look like a giant Hornby railway set with one person in charge
and any profit after taxes going to the owners. |
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This is over who pushes a button.
Drivers don't want to do it because (they were told by their Union to say) of safety, they need a button presser inside the carriage who can have a better view of when it's safe to close the doors more so than the driver. Strikes on National railway network should be illegal imo just because you are leaving people with almost no alternative to get to work, you can get away with bus or tube strikes but much more difficult on the trains unless you want to pay more than a day's worth of money just for a cab and back. |
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It should be illegal to make striking illegal
 Otherwise how else are pernicious employers held to task, by strongly worded letters? Do people think that the unions here are being oppressive because personally I don't. Being concerned about employment of members and or safety of users isn't like leveraging power for profit in my book. |
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Hitler banned striking..
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But this reason seems ridiculous, passenger safety is not going to be at risk otherwise they wouldn't be trying to enforce it, Unions will protect any worker from losing their job regardless of any common sense as it's their job to, it's when workers are unfairly made to leave their jobs when striking is right. Some occupations are not allowed to strike, army, prison officers, m15 etc, they are too important, I think a big section of the economy in an area like the south east (the most important) being forced to grind to a half for a few days because people can't get to work over who presses a button, is stupid.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jwmurphy/status/808588787580334080/photo/1 |
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I think many see it as the thin edge of the wedge. One person responsible for 12 carriages full of cattle, I mean human worker drones, seems pretty extremes to me. Perhaps he should also try and tilt the train onto one set of wheels then the other to save for ware. Obv not, but the point is where is this going (well right now fookin nowhere it's come to a halt) but the trains are already over utilised and under performing with millions of disgruntled passengers each year and tardy services. Where does the line get drawn? For MPs to come out and say it's simply playing politics and everyone should get back to work to me harps back to turnkeys looking the other way and trying to imply they themselves are above it all. Well they arnt, if people get pushed too far then they react. |
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They should have more carriages on
The times i am on trains no seats are available for long journeys Peoples names on some seats but they get ripped out by fekcing animals |
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Is it not illegal to have 50 people standing for 100+ miles ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTdMrrh9db4
Danny Dyer commuting hard style |
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if its all about safety how come no one called a strike after that tram crash a couple of weeks back?
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people should refuse to pay when the service is running poorly
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^^^^^ I guess you can't get thru the platform barriers without a valid ticket.
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What ever happened to the drop of a hat strike. I thought that was the whole point. To inconvenience the employer. To catch him unaware so he can't prepare a black leg response.
Now you have to go to a judge and arrange dates? WTF. So now the one percent of the one percent has all the capital and the rest of humanity is left spinning on it. that worked out. but the little princes and princesses with their iphones , ipods and ipads will not return to slavery - they have entitlement now. They'll rip out the throats of Daddy Warbucks and tred on his ginger headed offspring. More Bicardi Breezers. |
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to be fair to the drivers saw one in action this morning 12 camera,s onto 12 screens the size of a tablet and you have to decide whether a passenger loitering near a door on a bending track is pressing the button to open the door,waiting for it to open or waiting for another train,very easy to forsee multiple accidents happening,also if theres no pay cuts,job losses and these jobs go, the service must already be undermanned to find these people alternative work,if there getting payed anyway and havnt got other tasks might as well leave them where they are,obviously its the thin end of the wedge regarding job cuts further down the line, no pun intended,
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airlines cabin staff going on strike there starting wage is 12 grand,barely above minimum wage scandolus
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people who live in london suburbs are where southern trains run in a lot of places , these stations dont have barriers , these people are more affected , if you live within 7-8 miles you can get buses , trains and DLR, i know this cos i travel out to suburbs and i dont pay..... fcuk em and their poxy service
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Some of the office staff went on strike where I used to work but it was a week before anyone noticed.
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uk PLC days lost to strikes have been minimal compared to their european counterparts over the last 20 years,andhow was their loyalty,fairness etc rewarded,with zero hrs contracts,pay freezes,working conditions returning to the 70,s,safety in the workplace going backwards,not to mention an army of cheap labour brought in to depress their wages and barginin power ,big buisness like brexit is reapiing what it help sew
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I would not like to be on a train late with no staff on board except the driver.
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well done len airports climb down and offer baggage handlers a better deal,so the strikes called off,thought this one was a political strike according to the torys
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yep they're lucky enough to work for an organisation that is represented by a unions....while the rest of us who aint allowed to join unions see our zero hour wages get eaten up by paying for other peoples gold standard pensions via high prices, high fares and ever increasing fuel prices....The whole thing stinks.
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Members reject the deal....
WE GO AGAIN......  |
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MARVELLOUS WALK COMMUTERYS!
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ASLEF is an anagram of complete and utter bastard
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Driver only trains operate safely all over the country.
Busy commuter routes and in the country. When train operating companies go from trains with guards to driver only, there are no job losses. They are offered enhanced handsome redundancy packages or another role with basic salary frozen if it is a lesser grade. These strikes are political and being used to caused massive disruption to the normal man on the street, for no valid reason. |