Todays Andrew Marr programme.

Marr has been past his sell by date for a long time.

excellent observations re: Abbott! time for her to do one like Ken Livingstine another one of her ilk

Believe it or not, Abbott is Labour's Shadow Home Secretary.

Livingstone like Marr looks well over the hill these days.

This is the face of the current Labour party - no wonder nobody wants to vote for them.

so true - they appeal to Guardian reading types. They do nothing at all for old school labour voters, especially in the northern heartlands

Someone needs to start a new party to cater for traditional labour voters

And what is that, when it's at home ?

Obviously not Blairites
Obviously not Corbynites 

So please define  - preferably with a named leader

You are of course correct bigH. I've long believed that the aim of Corbyn & Co. is to destroy the Labour Party and replace it with their own Marxist based reincarnation.They are doing an excellent job so far.

Living stone was on the Sunday politics show today, and was totally out of touch. Kept referring to 1945 and 1964 as though it was somehow relevant today. And dismissed Labours poor showing in by-elections and opinion polls as a blip. Seems to be totally reliant on a Brexit disaster
as the only way Labour can compete in the next election. Dream on Ken!

Too true moon. For a party with such a large Twitter based following they have an ironically  peculiar pre Internet political mindset.