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05 Dec 16
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Panorama bbc 1 , 8.30
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They made Jimmy saville innocent for years ...so who knows
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On now
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Full of crisis actors.
If the stories of duggan are true....then good riddance, but it stinks of another woolwich con |
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I'm still undecided.
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A lot of pain and trouble could have been saved if the police had told the truth in the first place.
People think lies are the answer they never are. The officer who shot Duggan thought Duggan was reaching for his gun, it was his phone, why did the police not say that to start with? The lawful killing verdict is interesting, because police are allowed to fire if they thinks their lives are under threat. Even though there was never a threat, the officer under considerable pressure made a mistake, I only wish that had been admitted. I would like to see the Duggan family get some recompense for this Just my own opinion. |
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I would like to see the Duggan family get some recompense for this
Hopefully not. They knew what Duggan was and benefitted over the years from his criminality. |
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Anyone going anywhere with a gun can't complain if they get shot imho.
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Two wrongs do not make a right Akabula!
The police shot Duggan while he was unarmed, recompense is due. Families do not usually inform on her own. That isnot a family. |
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He did not have a gun when he was shot saddo!
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£200 million damage in the following riots
several other people killed a sad episode all round  |
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Still had one though, there is no acceptable reason for that, better off the streets.
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The police shot Duggan while he was unarmed, recompense is due.
He was a well known criminal and deemed dangerous as he sometimes carried a gun. Irrespective if he was armed or not if the police thought so they were entitled to shoot. Compensation ffs, never heard anything so stupid. |
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agreed 100% akabula
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I do not give our police the right to shoot anyone on sight because they deem them dangerous.
I never will! The police shot an unarmed man, that is not right. |
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It isn't up to you
 This has been deemed a lawful killing so why is compensation due? |
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What I don't get about these type of programs is - why do they always assume that the people that they speak to are telling the truth. I don't mean the police.
People do tell lies... |
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He seemed to be an avid collector of "Baby Mothers".
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So do the police Mecca
make your own judgement |
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He wasn't innocent, he was a criminal who was known to carry a gun on occasions. So, in some ways, I have not that much sympathy for him (although i do feel sympathy for his family) However the conduct of the Police in this case leaves a lot to be desired. I wouldn't like to say that they "planted" the gun, but it seems that they tried to lie about what happened and changed their story when they realised they could be disproved about certain details. I remember at the time thinking that if he was an armed thug, then he probably got what he deserved, but what I saw in that documentary was pretty disturbing. Especially when I remember what happened to the completely innocent Brazilian, Jean Charles de Menezes. If these are the kind of people charged with protecting the Public from armed threats, then I feel a lot less safe than I used to.
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Clearly it isn't right to shoot someone in cold blood. But it wasn't.
I have no sympathy for anyone that carries a gun. He would have known that if you are faced by police pointing guns at you, you don't mess around in your pocket. You just put your hands up. But the police behaviour after the event stinks. Live by the sword, die by the sword. |
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Would love to know what the police were investigating that was so top secret.
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at a guess ...an ongoing investigation they do not want compromised
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That is a reasonably fair assessment Jack Hacksaw. Duggan was not shot in cold blood, the officer who shot Duggan
believed Duggan was going for a gun. The police had had correct intelligence from Trident Duggan was picking up a gun. But having realised their mistake the police behaviour was a complete disgrace. They have maintained lies which I cannot forgive. I believe people including the police, particularly the police, should tell the truth. If the police though a cover up would prevent black rioting, they got that wrong! I do feel sympathy for Duggan's family. I accept Duggan died as he lived, although he was hardly a master criminal. |
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Someone may have ended up dead through the gun, blue, better him I think. He played with fire and got incinerated.
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you live by the sword......don't think he is a loss to society
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PILGERISM !!!
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Police statements didn't match up with the GPS on the taxi. Two coppers claimed to have found the gun independently. So some police testimony didn't match up with GPS or with other police, nevermind witnesses.
Duggan was an obvious scumbag but shrugging shoulders at such contradictions will only lead us to totalitarianism. With his hand positions nobody could blame them for at that point thinking he had a gun. Maintaining that "I saw a gun" just makes them look stupid and untrustworthy. The Menezes case showed that the police can make all sorts of fck ups in intelligence leading up to the cop on scene thinking there is an imminent threat when there isn't. It's not as simple as 'live by the sword' etc. You could get mixed up with somebody who lives by the sword and get shot in the face. Questions have to be asked. Subsequent police bs in both cases, or threatening to shoot someone they should have known was an innocent taxi driver hardly inspires confidence. The big question is how Duggan found time for criminality since he was such a randy bstard. |
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Only certainty here is that whatever he was reaching for was definitely not a packet of Jonnies!
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Especially when I remember what happened to the completely innocent Brazilian, Jean Charles de Menezes. If these are the kind of people charged with protecting the Public from armed threats, then I feel a lot less safe than I used to
You obviously don't know the full story of that event Des Pond. Was sad that an innocent person was killed but the blame cannot be laid at the feet of the police in the underground station. |
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I think that the police behaved the way they did, after the actual shooting, because of the colour of his skin. If Mark had been a white man.. there wouldn't have been a major problem.
Criminal known to be in possession of firearm fails to cooperative with armed police gets shot. Sounds pretty straightforward. But they try to 'jazz it up' so as not to antagonize the ''community''. That didn't work out well. |
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I thought it was a powerful program.
I'm assuming Duggan threw the gun just as he exited the car. The police can't have seen him do it. No way would they plant it over a fence. That makes no sense. The failure to go and see his family immediately after his death was disgusting. It implies a cover up of sorts but specifically a complete lack of any compassion. Having said that the police at the scene did all they could to resuscitate Duggan which I thought was hugely impressive. The rioting of course was a disgrace and did nothing to make people warm to the black community who of course thought this was a racist shooting. Obviously they couldn't say,(other investigations??) but I hope they caught the guy who gave the gun to Duggan. |
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I too thought it was a powerful programme, and I ended up feeling some sympathy towards Duggan and his family.
I don't know how factual the programme really was, but I saw Duggan as a bit of a wannabe, rather than a gangster. He'd only ever been charged twice (I know that doesn't mean much) and they were Mickey Mouse charges in all honesty. I think the unlawful killing was the right decision, if they thought he was armed then you have to shoot first, and ask questions second, imo. The police didn't come out of this looking very good, and I wouldn't be surprised if later evidence of a cover up came to light. l Not letting the family know of his death was appalling. Inerja. The bloke who's gun he was holding got sentenced to eleven years. |
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Oh wow - didn't see that. Thanks.
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Silent witness. I'm sure this was their take on a similar issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNZ51YkR39Y |
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He would have been prepared to use the gun he was collecting so no loss there. Why we should rush to condemn any copper charged with entering a dangerous situation, when a man may be known to be prepared to shoot him, and he has to make split second reactions on the spot to save life is beyond me.I have spoken to coppers with an armed license and they both maintain the highest demands are placed on them from within,we should make allowances,none of us would rush to challenege armed crooks.
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i thought the forensic guys evidence was good as he confirmed the body position
that the police claimed duggan had taken at time of shooting he had probably gone to get his phone from his pocket and it spooked the police eye witness claimed he had his hands up rather shown up to be mistaken police evidence not that great over finding gun ....2 of them , whoops and of course the policeman who thought he saw a gun on duggan when he was shot, also mistaken these armed guys just dont get enough practice of real life stuff like this, i guess in a way thats a good thing for us all, and a hazard for gun carrying criminals |
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If a copper was pointing a gun at me, I doubt very much that my first action would be to get my mobile phone
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nor me, maybe he was going to attempt to film or record them ?
anyway it turned out to be a bad move for him theres white folk get shot by police too, so its a worry incase they get the wrong man, but its unfair to expect police to operate without arms in todays society, and accidents will happen. |