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05 Dec 16
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That is what you want to prove you were right voting Brexit,in your heart you know you are wrong
the E.U is a noble cause it started to prevent Wars in Europe you want to turn the clock back.. |
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i've got the prosecco out
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You voted Brexit because you think you're cleverer and better than any other E.U member
the chickens will come home to roost but they will be thinner and will not lay the eggs the same size as you're used to and when you kill them for your Sunday Roast you will vomit at the taste. |
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I voted Brexit because I do not wish for Great Britain to be a province of a Greater European power. And that my friend is that.
I freely admit that I lied to people, I did everything in my power to make other people vote Leave, I appealed to their basest instincts. There are no rules when the sovereignty of one's Nation is at stake. |
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We signed up for a common market and not a United States of Europe which the EU is slowly heading for.
All the doom and gloom from Breedingmad and his like won't change my mind that leaving was the best decision the people of the UK have ever taken. A whole big trading world awaits us and the EU will still want to do business with us as well. |
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The absolute ignorance in that 8.37 post is truly remarkable. Unfortunately ignorant people have decided that their opinion is just as valid as experts, egged on by the populists. Calling a referendum was perhaps the most reckless act by any Prime Minister in modern history. In any other walk of life experts are not told how to do their job by people with little or no expertise. We have a Parliamentary democracy and it really should have stayed that way for every decision particularly one as big as this. It's going to take years to get over this appalling referendum because it's caused such terrible division between people. With the US in a similarly divided position due to the rhetoric and madness of Trump the world really is in a mess.
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i'm not sure the best way to bridge that divide is to angrily denounce other people's views as being remarkably ignorant.
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yes complaining about brexiteers being lumped together by remainers
then lumping together the remainers hey ho |
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If the vote had gone the other way, but with exactly the same percentages, would we be sitting here discussing a 'hard Remain' or a 'Soft Remain'? Would there be court cases restricting our governemnts power to negotiate the terms on which we remain?
Or would it just have been 'You lost the Brexit vote - now it's business as usual' I try and avoid name calling, asparagus, in what way is the above ignorant, and do you have an answer to roger's questions? |
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Anyone that uses the term populists doesnt truly understand the subject, plus his post is incredibly rude.
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asparagus is not very smart. you may wonder how 'experts' do on the best approach and on forecasting outcomes.
well the answer is it depends on the profession. there is measurable competence, a plumber or a bricklayer or a surgeon has this. but then there are other professions such as economists, and politicians and the experts in these fields it is much more difficult to measure. quite often in professions like these the ones who do well are those who do not see the future, like turkeys they are getting fatter and fatter every day and everything seems good. if course these experts are wrong. |
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if the vote had gone the other way there would be a campaign for another vote
we saw this when polls closed and farage thought it was lost to him that of course is his right |
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roger's question's are simple and concise, I look forward to answers from any remainers, but I won't hold my breath.
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If the vote had gone the other way, but with exactly the same percentages, would we be sitting here discussing a 'hard Remain' or a 'Soft Remain'? Would there be court cases restricting our governemnts power to negotiate the terms on which we remain?
this question ? not reaally what i would call concise , but simply there would have been no need indeed they seem to be questions he already knows answers to, and is making a point, but is somewhat misguided imo |
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it's a bit much to say you can continue to campaign on leaving the EU as long as we don't actually leave the EU.
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it is not possible to know why individual people voted leave or remain. and it is not necessary or practical to know.
it is better to say well we have voted to leave. We then revert to the status of countries that are not members of the EU, such as Australia or China. And then proceed from there and in the following years build trade deals were best etc. |
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farage would have kept asking for referendum until he got what he wanted if remain had ' won ' in july.
cameron will be damned eternally in history as the man who put his party before the country. |
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it is not possible to know why individual people voted leave or remain
HURRAY ! hence the need to debate it now !!!! |
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"but simply there would have been no need". Thanks donny, 48% of a yes/no vote can be simply ignored, we agree on something.
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thats not what i said
hey ho , you must be desperate |
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no there is no point in debating it, simply because the individual things are not open to the people on a referendum.
if there is a proposal to put to the British people eg should we stay in the EU and continue to allow free movement of people. Well hie do you think that would go? well the politicians will not allow the vote under those terms. Then say the ballet asked us to vote on should we stay part of the single market and allow free movement of people? well I don't know how that would go either. But the politicians will not allow us to vote on that either. then again if they asked do you want to stay in the EU and stop free movement of people. Well they won't allow us to vote in that either. That is why I fell there shouldn't be a bebate by politicians. |
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Some of your reply must have gone missing, donny, they are the only words I can see.
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so all brexiteers will be happy with a soft brexit if thats the way may goes and should just
accept it ? i dont think thats right nor would it happen lets have the debate (not just on here) and find the best way forward for the country and if we can have our cake and eat it then great |
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Now if there was to be another referendum, how would it be phrased? people who voted to leave or remain assumed that if leave won then Britain would have the status of any other country in the world, like Australia and China etc and were on balance happy with that.
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ah yes saddo, you read what you want and carry on
hey ho |
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In amongst all the denouncements of me as 'ignorant' (I'll add that to 'stupid', 'trying to be clever' and 'fascist') before going onto utter the phrase ' Unfortunately ignorant people have decided that their opinion is just as valid as experts' (that's 'Universal Sufferage' you've just dissed in one sentence - nice one!), I'm still waiting for a single 'Remainder' to talk about the democratic deficit at the EU's top-table?
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people didn't vote for a soft Brexit. no one did. They voted to return to the same status as countries like Australia
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Regarding misinformation leading up to the referendum vote.
How many Remain campaigners explained that the Euro is a house of cards? |
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they voted to leave the single market too ?
in your post above you said we couldnt know why they voted now you know all of them voted to leave the single market strange logic |
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donny
Did the economic *experts* make their forecasts on the iron clad fact that the UK would be leaving the single market (as members)? |
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Try and keep up donny, I said individuals would have many different shades of reasons for voting. But that is the beauty of not putting on the ballet all the complex individual views, they will not allow that or is it necessary.
Once it was leave that should mean a return to not being part of the EU, in the same manner as many other countries in the world such as China or Australuis . And then of course we can set up trade deals etc. |
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That is what people voted for and that is what everyone assumed would happen
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yeah, you cant have it all ways. some brexiteers clearly want to remain in
single market hey ho |
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Did the economic *experts* make their forecasts on the iron clad fact that the UK would be leaving the single market (as members)?
ha ha the spinmasters would have told us anything from either side |
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We all have our different wishes, just as we all have our different wishes and hopes when we vote for a government. It is something everyone knows when they vite, it is a balanced decision .
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and voting for a government does not mean you have to accept that the
new government has carte blanc to do as they please without checks and balances |
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even if the government is the one you voted for
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