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dustybin
28 Nov 16 10:01
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Black Friday lasted around 2 WEEKS and now Cyber Monday lasts, erm another WEEK.

Keep spending the money you aint got on crap you dont need.

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By:
Breedingmad
When: 28 Nov 16 10:06
I will mainly be buying nothing..
By:
Breedingmad
When: 28 Nov 16 11:38
She needs to boost the coffers to pay for Brexit but as a remainer I'm
not falling for the scam..
By:
Facts
When: 28 Nov 16 11:47
Quite.

She'll be crowing how fantastic the retail sector is performing and our spending has increased. All due to huge increase in the numbers of employed people.
Failing ( as usual ) to mention that these figures include student part time work, zero hours contracts and seasonal workers. All being paid a pittance.
By:
donny osmond
When: 28 Nov 16 12:10
..and folk in warehouses at pain of not turning up when poorly

and online sales funding companies paying tax in some tax haven
whilst folk running up debt in uk requiring to be bailed out
by folk already paying their fair share of tax.

meanwhile some fat bloke suns himself on a big boat
By:
xmoneyx
When: 28 Nov 16 12:21
biggest scam since WMD
By:
workrider
When: 28 Nov 16 12:36
Facts, has black Friday only happened on Mays watch ,or am I missing something ,surely to blame her personally is shall we say, extreme and a little out of order . I see the great Socialist Fidel only left 900 million. Laugh
By:
Gin
When: 28 Nov 16 14:40
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By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 28 Nov 16 15:43
At least there will be plenty of time to pay for it if you'll be working until you're 70.
By:
Facts
When: 28 Nov 16 16:01
workrider

Sorry Toryboy
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 16:04
Quite.

She'll be crowing how fantastic the retail sector is performing and our spending has increased. All due to huge increase in the numbers of employed people.
Failing ( as usual ) to mention that these figures include student part time work, zero hours contracts and seasonal workers. All being paid a pittance.



Roughly translates as :

"Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo. How dare these horrible uneducated working-class low-earning British people spend their hard-earned disposable income in whatever manner they want? Don't they realise the only time it was OK for them to spend money completely frivolously was when Mrs Thatcher died?  Then it was OK for them to collectively spend insane amounts of money buying downloads of the 'Ding Dong The W*tch Is Dead' song. Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo".
By:
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
When: 28 Nov 16 16:08
i like backstroke, butterfly and front crawl

but my favourite stroke is...
By:
dustybin
When: 28 Nov 16 16:51
alun

Go have a gander at what exactly is being 'reduced' in price and then come and tell me what you found useful that you would have been interested in if it werent 'reduced'.
Because I cant find anything of worth, and there lies the issue.
All companies churn out rubbish and race to the bottom and use marketing principles to manipulate the public into buying it as though it had value.
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 17:12
Good afternoon Dusty,

I've got no overwhelming personal desire to buy anything in the sales, but if hundreds of thousands of people across the western world choose to do so then let them carry on. What's the problem?  Criticism of these 'sales' and the shoppers can often sound a bit like snobbery don't you think? 

As you're the expert of what represents value, I was wondering whether this item below represents value. Been looking at this sort of mobile device for a while, and notice that the price on this one has almost halved during this 'sale' period.  I haven't bought it yet because I'm still looking at the security aspects of these things. Any recommendations?

.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00Y3TM6CO/ref=gw_TABL_ford_CM16?pf_rd_r=7EEWAD38PS0KFE83SJQZ&pf_rd_p=607a1561-608e-4317-b567-d80acb1789d7
By:
Facts
When: 28 Nov 16 17:22

dustybin    28 Nov 16 16:51 
alun

Go have a gander at what exactly is being 'reduced' in price and then come and tell me what you found useful that you would have been interested in if it werent 'reduced'.
Because I cant find anything of worth, and there lies the issue.
All companies churn out rubbish and race to the bottom and use marketing principles to manipulate the public into buying it as though it had value.




Just like the Tory's Manifesto then.
By:
dustybin
When: 28 Nov 16 17:43
alun
I have no experience of the product, but I would say this; when price alone is a determination of sale then its safe to say very little innovation is occurring.
Put another way, there are a multitude of cross breed laptop/tablet/phablet/phones, mini tablets etc in the market that have no discernible value over each other.
They have simply copied each other and come to market on a wafer thin selling point and used marketing to push the product.

What happens is either innovation dies or companies protect artificial future sales by having devices that run their own flavour or fittings and largely dont inter relate with competitors making it bad for consumers.
Or
The intrinsic value is stripped out and simply made cheaper most likely by under paid dissincentivised work forces (also known as Shareholder Value Maximisation)

Now Im not completely anti innovation if it isnt false innovation that simply argues theres an angle for sale rather than solving a problem as false innovation simple creates what is known as the 'choice paradox' where the consumer is given arbitrary variations on a theme and has to waste more time in finding what will not be obsolete within a short period.
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 17:51
Thanks Dusty. I almost understood some of that.

Maybe I'd best wait until the price drops to £20 for fear that I might have been conned by an unscrupulous blighter putting products onto the market just to make a few quid, as opposed to creating something of value.  Perish the thought.
By:
postmannick
When: 28 Nov 16 17:51
iam a postie and and its insane the amount of crap people are buying i ficking hate christmas
By:
Facts
When: 28 Nov 16 18:01
Do postmen get ' Christmas boxes' (tips ) nowadays from the households they deliver to ?
I know my parents gave, back in the 50's and 60's. Same for milkman,dustman and coal man. Happy days Happy
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 18:03
Unlucky Postmannick. There used to be a thriving postie community on here 5-10 years ago. It got to the stage when they used to hold 'union' type meetings on here amongst themselves. What happened to those fine men I wonder? 

They seemed to disappear around that time when the employer was talking about upping the pace of their rounds to 4 miles an hour. (This would naturally involve making most of them slow down from their normal frenetic pace).

I miss the Betfair Posties and it's good to see another one here.
By:
1st time poster
When: 28 Nov 16 18:27
what shouldnt happen and is happening is that the media,pundits etc are encouraging people to spend because with interest rates low its not worth saving.and because its never been cheaper to borrow money nows the time to do it,
no matter what interest rates are its always right to squirrel a few quid away for a rainy day if you can and its always preferable to avoid getting into debt no matter how cheap it is to borrow money if you dont need to, getting a tv when yours breaks down no matter what interest rates are will usualy in life be better than changing your tv because theres a new model in town and theres so called cheap money bout, imo of course
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 18:27

alun2005 28 Nov 16 17:12 Joined: 11 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 30,701 | Blogger: alun2005's blog
Good afternoon Dusty,

I've got no overwhelming personal desire to buy anything in the sales, but if hundreds of thousands of people across the western world choose to do so then let them carry on. What's the problem?  Criticism of these 'sales' and the shoppers can often sound a bit like snobbery don't you think? 

As you're the expert of what represents value, I was wondering whether this item below represents value. Been looking at this sort of mobile device for a while, and notice that the price on this one has almost halved during this 'sale' period.  I haven't bought it yet because I'm still looking at the security aspects of these things. Any recommendations?

.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00Y3TM6CO/ref=gw_TABL_ford_CM16?pf_rd_r=7EEWAD38PS0KFE83SJQZ&pf_rd_p=607a1561-608e-4317-b567-d80acb1789d7



They are chinese made get them in china for $15 maybe with delivery
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 18:29
If you have small fingers your good to go

If not you will need a tablet pen Laugh little stick with rubber on the end to push the screen.Got one free with a mobile phone but lay about and ended up giving it away.
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 18:33
I don't understand why people need a tablet that have a mobile as they do nothing more do they ?

PC/Laptop and a phone is surely enough
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 18:40
alun2005 28 Nov 16 17:51 Joined: 11 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 30,701 | Blogger: alun2005's blog
Thanks Dusty. I almost understood some of that.

Maybe I'd best wait until the price drops to £20 for fear that I might have been conned by an unscrupulous blighter putting products onto the market just to make a few quid, as opposed to creating something of value.  Perish the thought.


You must be a little worried or you would have it bought and delivered by now
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 18:51
Thanks Chaser for that info. I am completely unfamiliar with products like that tablet, and my only mobile phone is a 7 quid job from Argos which does next to nothing. (Purchased only for 'emergency' phone calls). I thought that £30 wasn't bad for an 'entry level' to the tablet world.
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 18:56
Not bad price i suppose

But you can get smartphones for £30 that will do the same and also you can lob the £7 phone

Or do you want one for the house and one for travel
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 18:56
That's correct.
By:
anxious
When: 28 Nov 16 18:57
I think you might get half priced set of Golf clubs to whack round the fairways and also bash people around the head with , I think the offer runs till Black Wednesday.
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 19:02
So i take it you don't want a smart phone ( good idea if so ) they will make you a robot

If you are not used to technology like this though make sure you have a bin close by for it

I don't just mean the price i mean all them trying to type on these things is learned at School now Laugh
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 19:05
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AhxtFxWchWY/maxresdefault.jpg

check this pic alun this is the keyboard you will use and look at the screen

too much scrolling involved for me anyway

i have a thread on them from a few year back when i got one somewhere and i got the same replies ( useless ) from most
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 19:06
Laugh  Sound advice I'm sure Chaser.

I can hardly wait for Magenta Tuesday to see what cornucopia of delights will emerge.
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 19:08
Cheers for the pic. I quite like that screen.
By:
postmannick
When: 28 Nov 16 19:08
yes there was a few posties on here some time ago god knows where they went and your right imposablethey have made the job hell now and the staff are at there wits end now ..very sad
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 19:10
alun i ttt the thread on football forum from 2014
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 19:11
alun thats a sumsung though Laugh


your amazon fire will be smaller
By:
alun2005
When: 28 Nov 16 19:12
Thanks TC. just spotted it. Will try and do a bit more investigating now.
By:
TheChaser
When: 28 Nov 16 19:28
Do you use touchscreens or have yo done in the past

If so you may like it but i hate them
By:
dustybin
When: 28 Nov 16 19:37
alun
You are doing way too much thinking for a product of that price point, that is why they price it as low as they do.
Not withstanding the fact its likely to be totally amazon orientated to pull you into future amazon purchasing, its probably a loss leader for that reason.

You arnt expected to find a perfect purchase, it has a short life cycle and is ultimately 'disposable' so you just buy it for a seemingly low price, and then churn and replace with the next one.

That is the very point of this garbage generation that wont fix products or manufacturers make products with any intended real value (or use) beyond a limited number of activities.
There will be a third world drop off point with a pile of these units burning releasing toxins into the local communities and the makers will have already counted profits and come up with the next one.
By:
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
When: 28 Nov 16 19:40
...the one that killed margaret thatcher
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