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dustybin
28 Nov 16 10:01
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Black Friday lasted around 2 WEEKS and now Cyber Monday lasts, erm another WEEK.

Keep spending the money you aint got on crap you dont need.
Pause Switch to Standard View Cyber Monday, keep spending you ****s
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Report Breedingmad November 28, 2016 10:06 AM GMT
I will mainly be buying nothing..
Report Breedingmad November 28, 2016 11:38 AM GMT
She needs to boost the coffers to pay for Brexit but as a remainer I'm
not falling for the scam..
Report Facts November 28, 2016 11:47 AM GMT
Quite.

She'll be crowing how fantastic the retail sector is performing and our spending has increased. All due to huge increase in the numbers of employed people.
Failing ( as usual ) to mention that these figures include student part time work, zero hours contracts and seasonal workers. All being paid a pittance.
Report donny osmond November 28, 2016 12:10 PM GMT
..and folk in warehouses at pain of not turning up when poorly

and online sales funding companies paying tax in some tax haven
whilst folk running up debt in uk requiring to be bailed out
by folk already paying their fair share of tax.

meanwhile some fat bloke suns himself on a big boat
Report xmoneyx November 28, 2016 12:21 PM GMT
biggest scam since WMD
Report workrider November 28, 2016 12:36 PM GMT
Facts, has black Friday only happened on Mays watch ,or am I missing something ,surely to blame her personally is shall we say, extreme and a little out of order . I see the great Socialist Fidel only left 900 million. Laugh
Report Gin November 28, 2016 2:40 PM GMT
Report i_agree_with_nick November 28, 2016 3:43 PM GMT
At least there will be plenty of time to pay for it if you'll be working until you're 70.
Report Facts November 28, 2016 4:01 PM GMT
workrider

Sorry Toryboy
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 4:04 PM GMT
Quite.

She'll be crowing how fantastic the retail sector is performing and our spending has increased. All due to huge increase in the numbers of employed people.
Failing ( as usual ) to mention that these figures include student part time work, zero hours contracts and seasonal workers. All being paid a pittance.



Roughly translates as :

"Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo. How dare these horrible uneducated working-class low-earning British people spend their hard-earned disposable income in whatever manner they want? Don't they realise the only time it was OK for them to spend money completely frivolously was when Mrs Thatcher died?  Then it was OK for them to collectively spend insane amounts of money buying downloads of the 'Ding Dong The W*tch Is Dead' song. Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo".
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales November 28, 2016 4:08 PM GMT
i like backstroke, butterfly and front crawl

but my favourite stroke is...
Report dustybin November 28, 2016 4:51 PM GMT
alun

Go have a gander at what exactly is being 'reduced' in price and then come and tell me what you found useful that you would have been interested in if it werent 'reduced'.
Because I cant find anything of worth, and there lies the issue.
All companies churn out rubbish and race to the bottom and use marketing principles to manipulate the public into buying it as though it had value.
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 5:12 PM GMT
Good afternoon Dusty,

I've got no overwhelming personal desire to buy anything in the sales, but if hundreds of thousands of people across the western world choose to do so then let them carry on. What's the problem?  Criticism of these 'sales' and the shoppers can often sound a bit like snobbery don't you think? 

As you're the expert of what represents value, I was wondering whether this item below represents value. Been looking at this sort of mobile device for a while, and notice that the price on this one has almost halved during this 'sale' period.  I haven't bought it yet because I'm still looking at the security aspects of these things. Any recommendations?

.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00Y3TM6CO/ref=gw_TABL_ford_CM16?pf_rd_r=7EEWAD38PS0KFE83SJQZ&pf_rd_p=607a1561-608e-4317-b567-d80acb1789d7
Report Facts November 28, 2016 5:22 PM GMT

dustybin    28 Nov 16 16:51 
alun

Go have a gander at what exactly is being 'reduced' in price and then come and tell me what you found useful that you would have been interested in if it werent 'reduced'.
Because I cant find anything of worth, and there lies the issue.
All companies churn out rubbish and race to the bottom and use marketing principles to manipulate the public into buying it as though it had value.




Just like the Tory's Manifesto then.
Report dustybin November 28, 2016 5:43 PM GMT
alun
I have no experience of the product, but I would say this; when price alone is a determination of sale then its safe to say very little innovation is occurring.
Put another way, there are a multitude of cross breed laptop/tablet/phablet/phones, mini tablets etc in the market that have no discernible value over each other.
They have simply copied each other and come to market on a wafer thin selling point and used marketing to push the product.

What happens is either innovation dies or companies protect artificial future sales by having devices that run their own flavour or fittings and largely dont inter relate with competitors making it bad for consumers.
Or
The intrinsic value is stripped out and simply made cheaper most likely by under paid dissincentivised work forces (also known as Shareholder Value Maximisation)

Now Im not completely anti innovation if it isnt false innovation that simply argues theres an angle for sale rather than solving a problem as false innovation simple creates what is known as the 'choice paradox' where the consumer is given arbitrary variations on a theme and has to waste more time in finding what will not be obsolete within a short period.
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 5:51 PM GMT
Thanks Dusty. I almost understood some of that.

Maybe I'd best wait until the price drops to £20 for fear that I might have been conned by an unscrupulous blighter putting products onto the market just to make a few quid, as opposed to creating something of value.  Perish the thought.
Report postmannick November 28, 2016 5:51 PM GMT
iam a postie and and its insane the amount of crap people are buying i ficking hate christmas
Report Facts November 28, 2016 6:01 PM GMT
Do postmen get ' Christmas boxes' (tips ) nowadays from the households they deliver to ?
I know my parents gave, back in the 50's and 60's. Same for milkman,dustman and coal man. Happy days Happy
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 6:03 PM GMT
Unlucky Postmannick. There used to be a thriving postie community on here 5-10 years ago. It got to the stage when they used to hold 'union' type meetings on here amongst themselves. What happened to those fine men I wonder? 

They seemed to disappear around that time when the employer was talking about upping the pace of their rounds to 4 miles an hour. (This would naturally involve making most of them slow down from their normal frenetic pace).

I miss the Betfair Posties and it's good to see another one here.
Report 1st time poster November 28, 2016 6:27 PM GMT
what shouldnt happen and is happening is that the media,pundits etc are encouraging people to spend because with interest rates low its not worth saving.and because its never been cheaper to borrow money nows the time to do it,
no matter what interest rates are its always right to squirrel a few quid away for a rainy day if you can and its always preferable to avoid getting into debt no matter how cheap it is to borrow money if you dont need to, getting a tv when yours breaks down no matter what interest rates are will usualy in life be better than changing your tv because theres a new model in town and theres so called cheap money bout, imo of course
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 6:27 PM GMT

alun2005 28 Nov 16 17:12 Joined: 11 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 30,701 | Blogger: alun2005's blog
Good afternoon Dusty,

I've got no overwhelming personal desire to buy anything in the sales, but if hundreds of thousands of people across the western world choose to do so then let them carry on. What's the problem?  Criticism of these 'sales' and the shoppers can often sound a bit like snobbery don't you think? 

As you're the expert of what represents value, I was wondering whether this item below represents value. Been looking at this sort of mobile device for a while, and notice that the price on this one has almost halved during this 'sale' period.  I haven't bought it yet because I'm still looking at the security aspects of these things. Any recommendations?

.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00Y3TM6CO/ref=gw_TABL_ford_CM16?pf_rd_r=7EEWAD38PS0KFE83SJQZ&pf_rd_p=607a1561-608e-4317-b567-d80acb1789d7



They are chinese made get them in china for $15 maybe with delivery
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 6:29 PM GMT
If you have small fingers your good to go

If not you will need a tablet pen Laugh little stick with rubber on the end to push the screen.Got one free with a mobile phone but lay about and ended up giving it away.
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 6:33 PM GMT
I don't understand why people need a tablet that have a mobile as they do nothing more do they ?

PC/Laptop and a phone is surely enough
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 6:40 PM GMT
alun2005 28 Nov 16 17:51 Joined: 11 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 30,701 | Blogger: alun2005's blog
Thanks Dusty. I almost understood some of that.

Maybe I'd best wait until the price drops to £20 for fear that I might have been conned by an unscrupulous blighter putting products onto the market just to make a few quid, as opposed to creating something of value.  Perish the thought.


You must be a little worried or you would have it bought and delivered by now
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 6:51 PM GMT
Thanks Chaser for that info. I am completely unfamiliar with products like that tablet, and my only mobile phone is a 7 quid job from Argos which does next to nothing. (Purchased only for 'emergency' phone calls). I thought that £30 wasn't bad for an 'entry level' to the tablet world.
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 6:56 PM GMT
Not bad price i suppose

But you can get smartphones for £30 that will do the same and also you can lob the £7 phone

Or do you want one for the house and one for travel
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 6:56 PM GMT
That's correct.
Report anxious November 28, 2016 6:57 PM GMT
I think you might get half priced set of Golf clubs to whack round the fairways and also bash people around the head with , I think the offer runs till Black Wednesday.
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 7:02 PM GMT
So i take it you don't want a smart phone ( good idea if so ) they will make you a robot

If you are not used to technology like this though make sure you have a bin close by for it

I don't just mean the price i mean all them trying to type on these things is learned at School now Laugh
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 7:05 PM GMT
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AhxtFxWchWY/maxresdefault.jpg

check this pic alun this is the keyboard you will use and look at the screen

too much scrolling involved for me anyway

i have a thread on them from a few year back when i got one somewhere and i got the same replies ( useless ) from most
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 7:06 PM GMT
Laugh  Sound advice I'm sure Chaser.

I can hardly wait for Magenta Tuesday to see what cornucopia of delights will emerge.
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 7:08 PM GMT
Cheers for the pic. I quite like that screen.
Report postmannick November 28, 2016 7:08 PM GMT
yes there was a few posties on here some time ago god knows where they went and your right imposablethey have made the job hell now and the staff are at there wits end now ..very sad
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 7:10 PM GMT
alun i ttt the thread on football forum from 2014
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 7:11 PM GMT
alun thats a sumsung though Laugh


your amazon fire will be smaller
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 7:12 PM GMT
Thanks TC. just spotted it. Will try and do a bit more investigating now.
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 7:28 PM GMT
Do you use touchscreens or have yo done in the past

If so you may like it but i hate them
Report dustybin November 28, 2016 7:37 PM GMT
alun
You are doing way too much thinking for a product of that price point, that is why they price it as low as they do.
Not withstanding the fact its likely to be totally amazon orientated to pull you into future amazon purchasing, its probably a loss leader for that reason.

You arnt expected to find a perfect purchase, it has a short life cycle and is ultimately 'disposable' so you just buy it for a seemingly low price, and then churn and replace with the next one.

That is the very point of this garbage generation that wont fix products or manufacturers make products with any intended real value (or use) beyond a limited number of activities.
There will be a third world drop off point with a pile of these units burning releasing toxins into the local communities and the makers will have already counted profits and come up with the next one.
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales November 28, 2016 7:40 PM GMT
...the one that killed margaret thatcher
Report TheChaser November 28, 2016 7:45 PM GMT
That is the very point of this garbage generation that wont fix products or manufacturers make products with any intended real value (or use) beyond a limited number of activities.
There will be a third world drop off point with a pile of these units burning releasing toxins into the local communities and the makers will have already counted profits and come up with the next one.Laugh

that's true as well

you get these tablets in china for about $9ish if you buy only 20 units and need no business to order them ( re-sell on ebay ) but think of the complaints.

go to alibaba and check it out ( might be some scammers ) but not all
Report xmoneyx November 28, 2016 10:51 PM GMT
https://mobile.twitter.com/Football_Fours/status/803322118796623873/photo/1
Report alun2005 November 28, 2016 11:36 PM GMT
Chaser - Any idea what the cameras are like on that tablet I was discussing earlier?
Report TheChaser November 29, 2016 12:00 AM GMT
If same quality as mine was poor unless you have steady as fook hands a little movement and blurry

but this is 2 years ago so they should be better i think but i did have one as back up a year or so ago when my laptop crashed and it was still sh1t and that was fro amazon about 30 quid but not an amazon fire

you can prob return if you dont like but not sure if it would be worth ti after postage etc
Report TheChaser November 29, 2016 12:01 AM GMT
grammar wizards welcome to fix the post
Report Breedingmad November 29, 2016 12:06 AM GMT
Capitalism will kill us all..
Report alun2005 November 29, 2016 12:07 AM GMT
Cheers Chaser and goodnight.
Report TheChaser November 29, 2016 12:18 AM GMT
GN alun

reda the reviews on amazon when you get time if you haven't already someone should mention the camera
Report TheChaser November 29, 2016 12:38 AM GMT
only 44 in 1st q in sacramento v washington line was 210 now 200

goos start just dont fire a 60 in the 2nd
Report xmoneyx November 29, 2016 1:14 PM GMT
Daily Mash

Cheerful young delivery man giving a cardboard box to young woman while standing at the entrance of her apartment
BRITAIN is eagerly waiting for whatever the **** it bought yesterday to arrive.

Consumer goods bought over ‘Cyber Monday’ will begin arriving from this morning, surprising shoppers who remember only that these items were incredible bargains.

Account manager Donna Sheridan said: “New packages arrive hourly, the contents of each a mystery.

“From 8am Friday I had at least 18 tabs open at any one time, and I was usually at checkout stage on at least one of them.

“I dimly remember thumbing my credit card number into my phone while in traffic on the A34 at some point. I don’t remember what for but at the time I felt strongly that it would complete me as a person.

“There are so many cardboard boxes stacked outside my house it resembles an alleyway in Starsky & Hutch.”
Report dustybin November 29, 2016 2:19 PM GMT
Grin
Report TheChaser November 29, 2016 3:12 PM GMT
I just paid my phone/internet bill the guy never offered me any discount on the other end of the blower
Report screaming from beneaththewaves November 29, 2016 5:58 PM GMT
My problem is that too much of this stuff is being paid for* by Tax Credits: people ensure they don't exceed 16 hours of work/week to obtain the Tax Credits, then have to find something to fill the time they consequently have on their hands. Which turns out to be shopping for shoddy Chinese plastic.

*To be clear, by "paid for" I mean "credit card obtained".
Report David Fishwick Minibus Sales November 29, 2016 7:25 PM GMT
this place is full of fǚcking anthropologists
Report dustybin November 30, 2016 3:51 AM GMT
I rented the film 'good guys' on Amazon for a quid.
Reasonably funny but about its money I'd say.

That was the extent of the Black Friday cyber Monday month long purchasing for me.
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